A NEW NAME !

Rev 2:17 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches. To him that overcometh, to him will I give of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and upon the stone a new name written, which no one knoweth but he that receiveth it."

Rev 3:12 "He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the Name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name."

There are two names mentioned in the last verse - the (Holy) Name of God, AND the Messiah's (mine) own newname! This new name of the Messiah is mentioned in both passages. So what is the meaning of the Messiah's "new name" mentioned here?

PLU

Admin wrote:Rev 2:17 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches. To him that overcometh, to him will I give of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and upon the stone a new name written, which no one knoweth but he that receiveth it."

Rev 3:12 "He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the Name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name."

There are two names mentioned in the last verse - the (Holy) Name of God, AND the Messiah's (mine) own newname! This new name of the Messiah is mentioned in both passages. So what is the meaning of the Messiah's "new name" mentioned here?

PLU

Perhaps reading this post in conjunction with this (CLICK HERE) might raise some ideas.

PLU

Gods real name and my real name is "I''. There is only the "I"








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angelfire wrote:Gods real name and my real name is "I''. There is only the "I"

This does not answer the question I posed about the "new" name of the 'Lord' (N.B. this is not referring to the Eternal and Unchanging 'NAME' of God ~ see {CLICK} here!).

My personal interpretation of these passages from Revelations (i.e. Rev 2:17 & Rev 3:12) is that they refer to a new (later) incarnation of the Christ Spirit, i.e. a new (i.e. another) living MASTER, with a "new" (i.e. different) name.

PLU

I think that whatever we call God is the son (or daughter) naming the Father (or Mother), and while I refer in Valentinian terms as the ONE or the Father (there are other terms, but different facets of the same gem), there really IS no name for God, as we are speaking of incorruptability with corruptable tongues and brains. If God REALLY had a name, I doubt I could pronounce it....

DarkChylde wrote:I think that whatever we call God is the son (or daughter) naming the Father (or Mother), and while I refer in Valentinian terms as the ONE or the Father (there are other terms, but different facets of the same gem), there really IS no name for God, as we are speaking of incorruptability with corruptable tongues and brains. If God REALLY had a name, I doubt I could pronounce it....

Indeed, what is termed the 'Name' / 'Logos' / 'Word' (of God) is not a word in any human language. It cannot be pronounced with our lips - it is actually the mystic/ethereal primordial vibration which resonates upon our breath.

The Gospel of Truth (from the Nag Hammadi Collection) puts it like this:

“He (the Father) revealed how the Living Word is not made up of vowels or consonants, that one might read it and think of something foolish, but Spiritual letters of Truth which they alone invoke who know them… The Name is not formed of letters, nor does His Name consist of appellations, but it is invisible.” (NHL – Gospel of Truth).

PLU

Good point!

Unfortunately, I don't think many people could consider communicating any other way... Maybe THAT is why there are so many names for the same thing (and why people get so mad thinking THEIR name is the 'right' name...)

DarkChylde wrote:Good point!

Unfortunately, I don't think many people could consider communicating any other way... Maybe THAT is why there are so many names for the same thing (and why people get so mad thinking THEIR name is the 'right' name...)

Yes ~ God, Allah, Bhagwan, Elohim, etc., are merely 'pronouns' used for speaking or writing about the truth.

Jesus/Yehoshua (the terms) are not 'THE' NAME! Although Jesus/Yehoshua (and Buddha, Moses, etc. ~ i.e. the incarnations themselves) were 'AT-ONE-WITH' the NAME.

It is THE NAME which is the very Essence and Power of Truth ~ that which we must KNOW and become UNITED (AT-ONE) with.

PLU

Yes ~ God, Allah, Bhagwan, Elohim, etc., are merely 'pronouns' used for speaking or writing about the truth.

Jesus/Yehoshua (the terms) are not 'THE' NAME! Although Jesus/Yehoshua (and Buddha, Moses, etc. ~ i.e. the incarnations themselves) were 'AT-ONE-WITH' the NAME.

It is THE NAME which is the very Essence and Power of Truth ~ that which we must KNOW and become UNITED (AT-ONE) with.

PLU

Bob... NICE. He (Yeshua) came in his Father's Name.
"AT-ONE-WITH". Yes,yes,yes.

Bob, are you familiar with AUM? I'm sure you are.

Peace to you always.
AYOGI

AYOGI wrote:

Yes ~ God, Allah, Bhagwan, Elohim, etc., are merely 'pronouns' used for speaking or writing about the truth.

Jesus/Yehoshua (the terms) are not 'THE' NAME! Although Jesus/Yehoshua (and Buddha, Moses, etc. ~ i.e. the incarnations themselves) were 'AT-ONE-WITH' the NAME.

It is THE NAME which is the very Essence and Power of Truth ~ that which we must KNOW and become UNITED (AT-ONE) with.

PLU

Bob... NICE. He (Yeshua) came in his Father's Name.
"AT-ONE-WITH". Yes,yes,yes.

Bob, are you familiar with AUM? I'm sure you are.

Peace to you always.
AYOGI

Hi AYOGI

Yes I am familiar with the term AUM (from Hindu and Buddhist tradition), but it is not what I would consider the 'highest' and 'true' Name of God, i.e. the ineffable sacred Name.

PLU

There's a science called..."Harmonics", I think. There some researchers put sand or other fine material on a tray and play various sounds. To see what kinds of shapes that appear on the tray. When a loud and clear enough "Aum" is played, exactly the Sanskrit shape for that word appears on the tray.

BB

BelzeBob wrote:There's a science called..."Harmonics", I think. There some researchers put sand or other fine material on a tray and play various sounds. To see what kinds of shapes that appear on the tray. When a loud and clear enough "Aum" is played, exactly the Sanskrit shape for that word appears on the tray.

BB

Interesting, but I could find nothing on the net about this phenomenon. Do you remember where you found it?

PLU

In the Nexus magazine. Oh, this science is called "Cymatics."
Here's a link:
http://www.cymaticsource.com/

BB

Eckankar got it right, they say the name of god is 'HU'.

If you say the word 'HU' strung out similar to 'Aum' it has a resonance of its own.
I have found it VERY useful in calming my mind & body.

Also note 'HUman' as in Human Being, translated to GODmen.
I think it is appropriate, hence my forum name.

BelievHUman wrote:Eckankar got it right, they say the name of god is 'HU'.

If you say the word 'HU' strung out similar to 'Aum' it has a resonance of its own.
I have found it VERY useful in calming my mind & body.

Also note 'HUman' as in Human Being, translated to GODmen.
I think it is appropriate, hence my forum name.

It's an interesting theory. The sufis also shout "Hu!" as they begin to dance.

BelzeBob wrote:

BelievHUman wrote:Eckankar got it right, they say the name of god is 'HU'.

If you say the word 'HU' strung out similar to 'Aum' it has a resonance of its own.
I have found it VERY useful in calming my mind & body.

Also note 'HUman' as in Human Being, translated to GODmen.
I think it is appropriate, hence my forum name.

It's an interesting theory. The sufis also shout "Hu!" as they begin to dance.

Here is an interesting article on the names of God ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_god ).

There seems to be so much choice, but in reality there is only one true and universal Name ~ but that name is ineffable! All written names are merely what one might term 'pronouns'.

PLU

Hi everyone,

I want to add for the sake of expressing my own experience:
It is important for one to realize that there is no one "name," per say - it is our being, existing now.

"I will be whatever I will be."

If one can hear one's being, you can hear the name. This requires an internal awareness, not an external intellectualism that is so easily confused.

At a certain wonderful point it is taught that we recieve our divine name, a combination of what we are, our cause, our purpose, our mission, what we will be, the master of the bohdissatva.

Theory is useless to me, what matters is internal progress made from revolutionary, hard and sincere work. With the fundamental gnostic keys we can open the door and grow closer to the divine.

Does anyone else's experience parallel this too?

Your thoughts...

As sentinets we strive for something beyond the normal ken. Yet we are constrained by language, no matter how sophisticated, it still is language.
In that perspective, we are forced to iterate something...be it a sound, a word, or just a thought brought to tangibility...so we proclaim it as a name.

I love the sense of "ineffible". It moves the seeker beyond the constraints of language. yet even in this brief discourse, I struggle to bring forth the thoughts I follow because I chain them irrevocably to the screen by using words.

To grasp the All, we would become the All.

I sometimes see myself, in a place of utter formlessness, yet I can be without, looking in, so I have in a sense created parameters from which to extrapolate, but always I work within the confines of those parameters.
It is difficult to manuever outside some plane of reference. I remember when I died, how I was seeing with my mind. There was only a sense of where I was, not a feeling in the way I feel the room about me now. The recollection I hold now, dims with each passing day and that is truly regrettable, yet I do have that overall remembranceof peace. Voices fade into an oblivion of nothing, and I truly feel sadness over having lost that place, but I do distinctly remember not making a decision to return, I just woke up!

Recognition of what we choose to call God, is something far beyond any word we can possibly utter or for that matter, even think. Yet there is no reason not to have a name. From quark to universe and everything in-between, God is everywhere. Thus we deal not only with wondering and seeking that, but it adds a new dimension...if we can grasp the "everything"...then in what place does it exist?
I have found the Nag Hammadi Library to be a substantial wealth of knowledge, a directional beacon, so to speak. I am quite pleased with the things I have read here. So many wonderful pathways open.
Just the thoughts of someone on who is seeking.
Tim

BelzeBob wrote:
It's an interesting theory. The sufis also shout "Hu!" as they begin to dance.

To add to this. Hu was also the Druidic name of the subordinate deity, Ceridwen for the female. Comparable to Osiris and Isis. You also have Hu (with the pronunciation: reverse v over the u) being the personal pronouns for "he" in Christian Aramtic, Jewish Aramaic, and Hebrew.

The "I" as a sacred name for the Deity is improper without the "AM" because in my opinion, the "I AM" reflects the fundamental characteristic of the Deity. "I"(pronoun)-cognitive principle, "AM"(verb)-operative principle, equals "I AM"(noun), the name that the Deity (Himself) divulged to Moses in Exodus 3:13-14, which will be known or understood in our dispensation through the use of English language.

HU(m) is the seed sound of the kundalinii... (A)gni-fire, (U)shas-heat, (M)itra-ray, are the manifestations of the same "Light" also making up the seed sound AUM(om). AUM may be a variant of ? - a new name of Jesus used by John in the book of Revelations.

YohSHVaH(Jesus) addressed the Deity as ABBA-father while Tantrics(Ananda Margiis) addressed the Deity now as BA'BA'(with long 'a')-most beloved father. In my point of view, getting to know the NEO NAME of the Deity will depend on understanding the GNOS/SONG... meaning/power of the Ineffable Name. According to the scripture, only to him who receives IT/Them knows/experiences IT/Them...
...the GNOS(light)/SONG(sound)?
Only then one can realize that "Deity is ALL there IS." "BA'BA' NAM KEVALAM."


In GNOS/SONG's service,
J.C.J.

To me the sacred vibrational tone of HU is the vibration that helps send you through the void to another level when meditating This vibration if you do it very slowly is very much the same as short slow outward breaths. Raises your vibration.

I also am of the personal belief that the NEW Christ energy is the Comfortor. And I am of the belief the Comfortor is on this planet in human form at this time as well.... jsut my personal belief.
am not at home right now but will later add the scriptures that coincide with this.