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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:42 am

THere are many on this forum that have really got meditating down. I have always been super at visualization and stuff, was good at it when I was a witch, but now I am trying to learn how to meditate and NOT think, not even about not thinking.

The hardest thing about meditating for me is there is ALWAYS some thought goin on in there, and when I try to 'not think', I find I am THINKING about not thinking, so I am really still thinking, or my mind is wandering. I have never learned to quiet it up there, and I can either hone focus or loose focus, but there is always some random thought bouncing around. How can I stop that? I do yoga, I can do the brahamic breathing thing, I can really conscentrate on breathing right, and there is still some errant thought back there, like the butterfly in the Last Unicorn. (I always saw myself in that character, as there is always a song or a snip from a movie or story flittin around in my head, and I will walk around singing about a dozen unrelated things in a string like that..)

So how can I quiet this and not think, not even about not thinking?

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Post by Admin on Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:00 pm

DarkChylde wrote:THere are many on this forum that have really got meditating down. I have always been super at visualization and stuff, was good at it when I was a witch, but now I am trying to learn how to meditate and NOT think, not even about not thinking.

The hardest thing about meditating for me is there is ALWAYS some thought goin on in there, and when I try to 'not think', I find I am THINKING about not thinking, so I am really still thinking, or my mind is wandering. I have never learned to quiet it up there, and I can either hone focus or loose focus, but there is always some random thought bouncing around. How can I stop that? I do yoga, I can do the brahamic breathing thing, I can really conscentrate on breathing right, and there is still some errant thought back there, like the butterfly in the Last Unicorn. (I always saw myself in that character, as there is always a song or a snip from a movie or story flittin around in my head, and I will walk around singing about a dozen unrelated things in a string like that..)

So how can I quiet this and not think, not even about not thinking?
Yes, I know what you are saying. To stop thinking is the hardest thing of all. This is why I believe a Teacher is so necessary ~ for the technique of how to stop thinking is exactly what a genuine Teacher reveals to his disciples. This is the 'Key' to inner experience, the elimination of the 'lower' mind - the elimination of thought.

I cannot reveal the techniques of meditation ~ only the Teacher can do that. It is given on sacred trust to those who are earnestly seeking, and are rightly prepared by the Teacher himself.

Hope you understand.

PLU ~ Bob Very Happy

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Post by BelzeBob on Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:12 pm

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It's great you stress the importance of having a teacher.

It seems a great many people think they can be their own teacher.
But that is an illusion.

Stopping thoughts: yes, that is essential to learn. Though in "my" tradition we usually call it "stopping tapes". You know, like cassette tapes - that keep running and running inside. These are not really "thoughts" as thoughts are something higher. Just automatic and unconscious chatter that makes it impossible to be present here and now. And here "shocks" from the teacher and fellow students are very necessary. "Shocks": wake-up calls, alarm-bells.

Later one can learn to be able to do it oneself, but it takes long training to "stop oneself".
This is connected with what we call self-remembering. Which is a higher state of consciousness and also a far more emotional state. The state in which great art is produced and great inventions, discoveries and realizations are made.
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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:24 pm

That is EXACTLY it, it is like a tape. I CAN make myself conscious of it, of what my subconscious is pinging around up there. But what I can't seem to do is quiet it. I am unfortunately without a teacher in this, there is none that I know that can teach me, and I am in the middle of the Bible belt, would be difficult (If not impossible). But my sincerity to learn is without question. I can focus the thought anyway I want, it seems, except to let go of it entirely. I have tried to blank out my thoughts, then discover I am still thinking about blanking out, so it isn't working. If I have a moment of quiet, it gets disturbed by some thought trying to slide in, then I am back to concentrating on not concentrating.

So, can anyone give a suggestion as to how to loose the tape (or turn the volume down on the player?) It seems the hardest thing for me to focus on not focusing, like a dicotomy to begin with... scratch

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Post by theeternaliam on Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:12 am

Ive been reading a book called A Course in Miracles. I heard it was one of the first "New Age" Wink books and helped get that "movement" going. One of the greatest concepts in there is something called the "Holy Instant". All it takes is one moment of total forgiveness of the illusion,archons,people,etc.One moment of remembrance of Holy Love and Holy Light. One moment to remember that "I Am Created by God/Light". Pretty much one moment of simply letting go. This is healing. If possible or desired one could extend this moment in time, but really the Joly Instant is Eternal. I think this is a simple meditation on the remembrance of one's origins. I feel this practice has "empowered" me and let me be much more lighter and jovial. Also, any unwanted thoughts,emotions,conflicts, etc. I imagine as being offered to Christ, lifted up to Him, and I feel and/or say "I don't know what do do with these, Here, take them, you know how to undo them" Like handing a ticking bomb to be defused by a bomb specialist Laughing cherry (this almost looks like a bomb) Cool

Lately, though, I'm at the point where there seems to be much internal chatter(maybe not as much as there could be), but I just let it go on, not really putting much stock in it. I often notice the thoughts I think aren't even my own, for I never chose them. Sometimes I notice my mind will take offense to something someone says, or fel awkward in a situation or other such things, but I feel these thoughts and feelings as something "thrown" at me by entities of some kind(like a schizophrenic hearing voices), and don't take them as "my own".

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:44 am

I would consider that the best description of the moment I had, the experince where I saw the innerconnection of everything, and I saw past it to the ultimate light, where my whole being wanted to go back to...

While I realise I am bombared by external forces almost all the time, perhaps more than some as I have had a troubled past, I am learning about my core, my center, and at the center of that is a comletely emotionless, almost like Data on Star Trek kind of logical, that seems to sit back and the only thing it seems to think is 'how interesting.' I have discerned this part of me since I was child, while the reactionary me was reactin' away, there was a part that was neither happy nor disqusted, pretty much unaffected at all except during a time of trauma, just takin it all in. I think this is possibly my subconscious, as it is much the part that takes over when I am asleep...

Then there is the reacting, singing, laughing, typing, caretaking (emotional)me that seems to 'have the wheel and drive', and while I joke about the voices in my head I am actually only hearing these two influences. I am learning to be cogntive rather than reactionary, and I have given these two facets much thought. I think meditation would bring the emotional me more in touch with the unemotional me and I could acheive a balence of sorts... What the Druids call having all your cauldrons turned up...

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Post by theeternaliam on Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:18 am

I kinda feel as if my core, instead of "taking everything in", is "burning everything up". Not exactly disinterested, but interested in "better things", Godly things Smile As I become more in tune w/ this core, I feel more jovial and lighthearted, powerful even. Kind of King-like. king or maybe the fool jocolor
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Post by BelzeBob on Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:23 am

DarkChylde wrote:That is EXACTLY it, it is like a tape. I CAN make myself conscious of it, of what my subconscious is pinging around up there. But what I can't seem to do is quiet it. I am unfortunately without a teacher in this, there is none that I know that can teach me, and I am in the middle of the Bible belt, would be difficult (If not impossible). But my sincerity to learn is without question. I can focus the thought anyway I want, it seems, except to let go of it entirely. I have tried to blank out my thoughts, then discover I am still thinking about blanking out, so it isn't working. If I have a moment of quiet, it gets disturbed by some thought trying to slide in, then I am back to concentrating on not concentrating.

So, can anyone give a suggestion as to how to loose the tape (or turn the volume down on the player?) It seems the hardest thing for me to focus on not focusing, like a dicotomy to begin with... scratch



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Find a boyfriend/friend who has common interests and is not afraid to be "strict" with you and help you to wake up. And then you can help him/her. It's difficult to do alone.

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Re: Trying to learn...

Post by Guest on Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:39 am

Ahh, I am married to a wonderful guy, who watches me from the corner of his eye, and he really listens to me (unless I am asking for help with housework) Laughing .

I don't think being strict with me would do much good, I am headstrong and rebellous to the core. Like a mustang used to freedom, I have no interest in the comfort of stall and food, I crave my freedom more... He allows me it, why we have been together for over 15 years I guess (and with 2 little lights now, my angels Trinity and Skye). Must be the sag in me.. Razz

He doesn't claim a pigeon hole, but he got into the Druidic thing with me for awhile, I think he still has an interest in it... He mostly likes my heresy cuz he likes to poke at conventinality (like me again). We are some barbarians for sure, but we have fun...

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:42 am

theeternaliam wrote:I kinda feel as if my core, instead of "taking everything in", is "burning everything up". Not exactly disinterested, but interested in "better things", Godly things Smile As I become more in tune w/ this core, I feel more jovial and lighthearted, powerful even. Kind of King-like. king or maybe the fool jocolor
I would like the fool best, always my favest figure... And full of the true wisdom.... I like the way you put that.

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Post by Guest on Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:53 pm

Meditation has alot to do with many things going on inside you, some must be satisfied to a minor degree before You can notice yourself in a state other tham the Mortal Living, if this is your choice to see. I say notice, because initialy it is a conscieous event to be unfoldoing for you. and when you see this change coming about you yourself will be pleased and helps you to know to stay the course to achieve a greater depth of insight in this one manner of connectiveness.
without going beyound that for now. the things that must be satisfied are this, which i will quote from Christ" Look and see that which is in front of you, then look beyound that for the things of the Kingdom will be open to you.
Now taking the first part of that, which is seeing that which is in front of you, is pretty large indeed for some, it takes in all things that You have set apon your soul to accomplish of this world to fulfill in a fullfilling and acceptable way that You see. In other words Hows your life going? LOL are you satisfied with your daily efferts and overall at the specific point you seek to start attaining a meditaion for knowledge of the divine.
Even relaxing from the day and pointing things in proper light for yourself is a form of initial meditation to start attaining the full self you desire at that moment which will parallel the depth of insight you see. Ounce you attain it in an honest heart which is key, You can increase the fullness and the depth persay as your experiance grows in that Moment.
May I add, the more real and truthfull for yourself that you make it, thus the experiance you will remember will also be more building in you, thus it will be easier to attain it at a future date or moment when you choose to.
As Christ has said ' Do not do that in which you hate for the Father knows all'
I like to thing of this song I heard years ago which goes
" All I need is the air that I breath, just to love you"
So fitting to reach Christ and God where ever you are in the world, anytime.
The ones around us will also effect our ability in Meditation good way or bad, its still how we make it...I have found living with my sons or nephews to give them a place to sat for awhile, change the rythm in the House for one; so I had to find a differant path to the same resilt I sought. I found I had to deal with thier Spiritual needs which were much first, to allow myself the better Gnosis in God, and was a win win situation all around.
Another song Here; LOL " The love you take is equal to the Love you`ve made" McCartney.

Ounce one has learned the barrier in one self that we need to achieve and step accross Meditation will start to form within us, You won`t forget it, and its real, more real, you will find then the illusion of this world we need to deal with.

When dealing in our daily lives and finding, when solving one problem, another appears again and agian with no peace.. this is where Christ says; Do not fight one demon at a time, for there will always be another to take its place to torment. You must Deal with the root of all, with only the Power of the Kingdom of Lights, which are the Mysteries. Then None can get close.
So one would say the closer we are in God Continually, one can achieve Meditation and protection at our very call.
Yes this is Fulness, in total peace and strength and will of the Father.
DC You have a family about you, I imagine in much energy, Multipul Spirits and sharing of them in a wide variety of fashions and feelings. I would say from post you have written in here You are dioing marvelous to tell you the truth. I am a single Father and have a dog LOL alien wow big worldly energy here LOL...This is just two extremes of the events within this world many would base and within good reason say why one can or cannot relax to meditate easily.
But now when I come home from work, I have little life from other soul to help me relax.. its pretty well all me which can get rough on a veiw point to attain the same.... poor Dog LOL. With God it is the same, but for us, we have differant tools to achieve that result we seek.
Can I be real honest with you DC? I think you find a sence of Meditation while writting on this board as we speak... I know I do, and much Gnosis comes to me at these times also.

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Relax and Peace be to you, if you think You are a superstare, then right you are" sunny

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