Bush

by Prism1111 on Fri May 23, 2008 1:51 pm

The_Passerby wrote:Conspiracy theories in my opinion are a waste of energy and becomes an haven for incessant thoughts. There is much to be done. One should become aware of the Laws and of themselves. Nothing happens outside of these laws. There is nothing special or Gnostic in speculation -- just another thing to keep one hypnotized on things to keep them away from other pressing matters that they should be consciously moving towards -- the work on oneself. That's my humble opinion. If one likes these things and are captivated with conspiracy theories of Bush being in a secret society, 9/11 being done by US and many other things -- be my guess, if you find some benefit out of it, good for your experience.

Gnosis is salvific knowledge and direct experience of the Kingdoms of Light of ones Being. There are lesser levels of salvific knowledge in regards knowledge that helps you to strive further in your ideal by understanding ones the problem, the defect, the machine --- which refers to the reality of this world and the laws which move it, and these things reflect realities in you. And what I am referring to is completely beyond conspiracy theories of Bush. It is far greater to know thy self, then to be so taken by theories, with knowledge of self you can have the capacity to acquire what you desire -- moving the mind forward to the indivisible Ideal.

PB From a Personal understanding I truly agree with the things You are saying here when I am seeking sojornmet and strength in the areas I have passed through already indeed. As a Student in High school needs not to go back to first grade to furthure his/her studies from that level he or she already has achieved. You and I and probably everyone here has found our way to much truth from that rugid efferts along the way, for the Christ within us alone and together helped achieve. What achievement have we made if we do not use it to help others to see and understand the enlightment that was shown us from the Parents. whether higher or lower is only from our traditional poimt of view, in God all are Brothers and Sisters. Did the Master Jesus fully of Christ within for us, say, for I tell others in parables because they may not see or understand the Mysteries that He taught the disciples in completeness and openness of the heights od the father. Is this not the same as we do here? Those that need the parables are the ones beneith the veil or May I say these conspiracies they don`t even see at this point in time.
In Gospel of Thomas; For you ask me of things of Heaven, and you know nothing of the moment you are in.
PB, the truth I am trying to relay is not for my own enlightment, for I have been shown and been taught of its meaning already from the parents how I should see it, for what is needed to be done. Others will take, regect it , file it etc. how ever they see they must, and will respect all views in the same manner, for I know not how the parents need ones to see it. As the parents so love all there children to find the Pearl, So I also do this for ones to start seeing this of themselves within the world, in hopes it will lead to the Christ within and on to the Gnosis of Christ then the Mysteries. Finding a Platue of comon ground which is key to each coversation of Truth in creation, and for the most is of this world, which you already know being caught within the Sins and diversities of it.

Lu:5:30: But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans and sinners?
Lu:5:31: And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.
Lu:5:32: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

AS Gnostics with the enlightenment of Christ within us, should we not be moved to do the same? To be a servent to those below in knowledge and help them to raise as our brothers in the Kingdom, as Christ has done for Us?
In my veiw, if we are givin the gift of life and do nothing for those that truly need it, we are no more than the son that has taking his gift and buried it, and this and more will be taken away in completion of this time.
My friends God did not show us these great things to have them hidden within the confinds of a few. I love to sojourn greatly with you all to keep that spark of the divine alive within us to be used and spread in our lives with the same reverance.
Do not be afried of the truth that is also in the opposit end of the creation of God, although all your tools within you are needed for the depth you choose, if you choose too, for love and helping of others has great power in the knigdom, only when put to this form of criticle test within you will you find what your level is truly at.

All these things I have found to be true, from my view point may I add, within you all please seek the parents to find their extent if any of Spiritual motavation they assist you in your own journey, for they are freely givin to me.
May Love be the stone they are set in for us all.

may continual expansion in Christ be our all

Brother Thomas.... Basketball

by DarkChylde on Sat May 24, 2008 3:59 am

You may consider any info about the truth of the workings of the government to be a conspiricy theory, and without the knowlegde of such coming to light then nothing can be done to change it (tho I personally don't see any change- is it that power corrupts or do only the corrupt seek power?). So while you may think them a waste of time, that is probably what those involved in such tactics would WANT you to think, as it legitimises what they do and encourages the same.
As far as Bush goes, his family and the family of Osama Bin Ladin had the same financier companies, (alot of people might not know that) and the American government is actually PROTECTING them. THe entire Saudi Royal family was flown out almost immediately after 9/11 without ever questioning them, and they have been under the protection of the Bush Administration for quite some time. 'Daddy' Bush (good one Brother Thomas) started this crap with Desert Storm, and his son has decided to 'finish it.' After all, WE were the ones who trained and equipted Bin Ladin (when he was a 'freedom fighter' and we were worried about fighting the Russians in Pakistan) and his cronies, now they have turned on us and are considered terrorists now. This war in Iraq has NOTHING to do with 9/11, never did, and since Bush IS an oil baron and instability in the Middle East keeps gas prices climbing (not to mention what Cheney has made off Haliburton suppling the army and handling all the reconstruction contracts- the army pays to blow it up then Haliburton comes in to rebuild it)- this war is about MONEY and OIL and NOTHING ELSE. America needs to get out of its' national preoccupation of denial and relaise this, and realise that ANYONE going for office is hardly doing it for the noble pursuit of helping or leading the nation, ain't a ONE of them that ain't in it to serve some vested interest, or the interests of their lobbiests. Bush is moron, but he is no puppet, believe me, he and his family are pulling the strings and have been for some time.

Good posts, Sopherim and Brother Thomas. I have enjoyed your input on this thread.

by The_Passerby on Sat May 24, 2008 6:55 am

DarkChylde wrote:You may consider any info about the truth of the workings of the government to be a conspiricy theory, and without the knowlegde of such coming to light then nothing can be done to change it (tho I personally don't see any change- is it that power corrupts or do only the corrupt seek power?). So while you may think them a waste of time, that is probably what those involved in such tactics would WANT you to think, as it legitimises what they do and encourages the same.
As far as Bush goes, his family and the family of Osama Bin Ladin had the same financier companies, (alot of people might not know that) and the American government is actually PROTECTING them. THe entire Saudi Royal family was flown out almost immediately after 9/11 without ever questioning them, and they have been under the protection of the Bush Administration for quite some time. 'Daddy' Bush (good one Brother Thomas) started this crap with Desert Storm, and his son has decided to 'finish it.' After all, WE were the ones who trained and equipted Bin Ladin (when he was a 'freedom fighter' and we were worried about fighting the Russians in Pakistan) and his cronies, now they have turned on us and are considered terrorists now. This war in Iraq has NOTHING to do with 9/11, never did, and since Bush IS an oil baron and instability in the Middle East keeps gas prices climbing (not to mention what Cheney has made off Haliburton suppling the army and handling all the reconstruction contracts- the army pays to blow it up then Haliburton comes in to rebuild it)- this war is about MONEY and OIL and NOTHING ELSE. America needs to get out of its' national preoccupation of denial and relaise this, and realise that ANYONE going for office is hardly doing it for the noble pursuit of helping or leading the nation, ain't a ONE of them that ain't in it to serve some vested interest, or the interests of their lobbiests. Bush is moron, but he is no puppet, believe me, he and his family are pulling the strings and have been for some time.

Good posts, Sopherim and Brother Thomas. I have enjoyed your input on this thread.

Sigh, you missed my entire point.

Show me how any of this has to do with the work on oneself? How will your spectulations impact the work that needs to be done on your own mind and being? Help me to understand that.

Bush is a puppet, he is a machine like everyone else. A slave to external stimulus and the world moves him, he does not move the world. He is dangled about. He is earth-bound and moved by laws. He is being moved through the motions of life happening to him -- things are being done but he does nothing, there is no doing in sleep. He pulls no strings, he is hanging from strings and moving to and fro like a Marionette dancing about in unconsciousness intoned by a hidden Pipper. He is bound in Plato's allegory of the Cave, he is under the "Citizen of the Far Country," A slave of poverty under the Pharoah of Egypt, he is mechanical and operates out of a divided nature. He is the same as others. Any plot by an earth-bound consciousness man who can do nothing and is utterly asleep where he doesn't even have a original thought, nor true freedom, is brought about by laws. No organic machine-like individual runs the show but rather the show runs them -- he just plays a role that he was placed in by reason of how individuals engaged the the laws prior. This world is a stage. Only the conscious individuals who know thy self and know the Great Defect can do anything.

Mankind is mechanical in all their ways, they do not possess consciousness, they do not possess will. They can possess consciousness and they can possess will or greater opportunities to exercise true will, but this takes super efforts because man is a legion within himself. The world without reflects his inner world and he must bring about world peace within himself. He must be a change unto himself and he will be a Light unto others.

This is an important concept, a person must see their own nothingness. How little they have and then perhaps through seeing themselves, they can put forth what is in their hands and increase upon the very little, they truly know.

I enjoyed watching documentaries like Freedom to Fascism and other such things. I am conscious of what occurs, but for different reasons. Those reasons are to observe the Laws in motion working upon the people. This helps me to perceive its realities and preceive realities within myself and it helps me to use this awareness to help others to understand the Cosmic Laws which move things and ensnares the unconsciousness. Why condemn in others natures which you are imbued with yourself?

by Prism1111 on Sat May 24, 2008 9:10 am

Passerby, I do congradulate you on knowing the Veil that you yourself is not under, I agree Bush is also amung many things a Puppet of the Vatican, Council on forign relations (Rockafeller), and untimatly the Jesusits (Illuminati), wear Jesuits are the Spiritual and CFR is Big Bussiness, and together it is the new world Order they all are under. So knowing this intense Knowledge that few will find to help themselves be raised in a mortal freedom of mind so as to seek those things of their own divinity in God, don`t you think it is worthy to help others eleviate the veil around them as your brothers/sisters of the parents? How ever you try to disconnect yourself from Mankind that will never see as you say, will be fruitless indeed, because the Christ Conscousness we seek to build in the father is as much them, as it is us. Remember unconditional love has no need of knowledge, only the the spirit that was placed in us all, long before our earthy creation of Mankind.
So indeed the question comes back to, why we are here? Is it only to find things of ourself, for our own works on ourself?
The father intrusted us with great Knowledge(Gnosis) of Him to open our hearts and teach others of this Light, as the master had done and intended his diciples to do, or as He intended for us also. indeed feeling abit afried as to what must I do now with the things I know for your Children that are not apt to accept what You say threw Me Lord, the disciples had this same feeling.

You ask PB, Show me how any of this has to do with the work on oneself? How will your spectulations impact the work that needs to be done on your own mind and being? Help me to understand that.

PB , forget thyself, it is not needed, the parents will suppy to you all that is needed. we are tri-beings and adhearing to the oneness (multiple), not the self (singularity) all will be accomplished in every facit you wish in the Father. The souls tied to the world are already living in to much self. whether it be religion, God, satan, sex,drugs etc with no thought open to the Kingdom within you or them which fulfills the logos, that gnosis is supose to reveal.

I truly find much more knowledge (Gnosis) of the father(parents) come to the seed within me when diligently trying to help others see this light within themselves. Chist is always with you in the degrees you choose to take on for Him of the Father.

This is the reason we are hear in many differant degrees we chose and see, if we were not , we would have never been sent, only to scurry home without making an impact upon this realm which is needed to assist Christ conscousness in completion of the deficiency. For our rewards in heaven of completeing our task for what we have before us are Great indeed you see.

Like in the story of the pearl, Guides set along the path for the children to find, to help them find there way to that what they seek to go home. Consider that we now have become the guides for others to find , for the way we have found is pure and righteous.

Bring down the Kingdom of Heaven together Friends.....

Brother Thomas...... bounce

by The_Passerby on Sat May 24, 2008 11:36 am

Prism1111 wrote:PB , forget thyself, it is not
needed, the parents will suppy to you all that is needed. we are
tri-beings and adhearing to the oneness (multiple), not the self
(singularity) all will be accomplished in every facit you wish in the
Father. The souls tied to the world are already living in to much self.
whether it be religion, God, satan, sex,drugs etc with no thought open
to the Kingdom within you or them which fulfills the logos, that gnosis
is supose to reveal.

Thomas -- unfortunately you are to strive to be perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect, which isn't achieved by doing nothing -- one must apply the truth they have in 4 manners, thought, desire, deed, and words and these are 1. And "Self" is not singular -- people do not understand "Self." You can't adhere to oneness, because you don't have singularity within yourself which can serve an indivisible ideal in the "Lord." To serve an indivisible "WILL" you yourself must put on indivisibly. Yeshua said that if your eye ("I") be single, your whole body will be full of light -- but if thine eye (or "I") be evil (which refers to division) your whole body will be full of darkness (unconscious -- sleep of blindness) which followed you can't serve two masters. And if a man doesn't have consciousness of themselves, then they can do nothing, let alone adhere to "oneness," because you serve 2 masters and react out of a divided nature, since much of what you are in this world is of the world and the part of you which is from above is inactive and completely overtaken by what is of this world. It is geniune and authentic, it is a kernel of Light -- a Kernel of your Higher Self but what you have become organically bound by is a legion which is of this world and your whole physical being is in a hypnotic state of confusion.

One can't acclaim the kingdom when they are a poverty in mind and being and do not know thy self. The adherence of oneness is only through acquiring oneness at the level you are at -- and what I mean by that is harmony of mind and being. In those higher realms of ones being, you must be BORN into them. Birth is a completion of a cycle, it is the male/female polarities coming together to become one flesh, which bares a third quality which is a the balance of the two. However the birth of the mind one must achieve through great efforts, but this same male/female pattern exist on this level. I will not go into too much, this is all basic.

The people of this world aren't living, they are dead -- asleep. What is essential in them is completely aborted often, although that fire can be ignited again. But for these, they are have no life in them and they don't live for self they are temporal and live for the world. Their self is many and clings to what entices it and through the vices of this world, their energy is drained and becomes food for the world. They are ensnared in illusions and twist caused by forces that work upon their unconsciousness, like gravity but upon the mind. A man must work from where he is, not where he isn't. If he wants to reach God, he must first reach himself -- he must know thy self to know God, as Yeshua stated. And to know thy self one will have the capacity to know their relationship with God, through their Soul of Light. So you must get your house in ORDER -- for you do not know the coming of the Lord -- you must be watchful for the kingdom
is at hand and these all refer to awareness and bringing about a harmonious temple.

by Prism1111 on Sun May 25, 2008 11:55 am

Passerby, we are intellegent people here, we both understand the seeking the oneness within ourselves, and aquireing the oneness in the father, so there is realy no need to keep repeating all that.
The issue I`m talking about here, is that I get the feeling from hearing your words is that You care nothing of others needing help below the veil that cannot help themselves. If we are to take on the Christ mind in fulness, what do we do with it after achieveing it.
Did Christ not teach and help those that are sick in Spirit of the Father, of course He did, thats why He came. This will be the same for those the achieve Christ in themselves also.
How did He do this? by speeking in Parables of their time, that they may not inderstand, because they to were in and of the world.
The Spirit has taught me in my enlightenment that by learning the truths of the veil now, we have a chance to help those brothers and sisters withiin the veil now (so called conspericies) to help them see the light of the Father within themselfs. So parables of the world now are just that to say, that they to may not understand.
I have help ones see themselves, the things around them, some even started to Gnostics, and some just realizeing the father Loves them. No I am not seeking perfection in everyone I talk with, the spirit will allow them to find themselves how ever they are free enough to seek for, and only in myself I seek to be the best I can because I wish to complete the will of the Father in me, and give the best chance to my Brothers that are blind, or at the very least, a friend to say I`m with you man.
As Christ have said; when greater responsibilities are giving to the workers, much more is required of them.

Do you know your quest.....?

In Truth............ Br Thomas..

by The_Passerby on Sun May 25, 2008 1:27 pm

Prism1111 wrote:Passerby, we are intellegent people here, we both understand the seeking the oneness within ourselves, and aquireing the oneness in the father, so there is realy no need to keep repeating all that.
The issue I`m talking about here, is that I get the feeling from hearing your words is that You care nothing of others needing help below the veil that cannot help themselves. If we are to take on the Christ mind in fulness, what do we do with it after achieveing it.
Did Christ not teach and help those that are sick in Spirit of the Father, of course He did, thats why He came. This will be the same for those the achieve Christ in themselves also.
How did He do this? by speeking in Parables of their time, that they may not inderstand, because they to were in and of the world.
The Spirit has taught me in my enlightenment that by learning the truths of the veil now, we have a chance to help those brothers and sisters withiin the veil now (so called conspericies) to help them see the light of the Father within themselfs. So parables of the world now are just that to say, that they to may not understand.
I have help ones see themselves, the things around them, some even started to Gnostics, and some just realizeing the father Loves them. No I am not seeking perfection in everyone I talk with, the spirit will allow them to find themselves how ever they are free enough to seek for, and only in myself I seek to be the best I can because I wish to complete the will of the Father in me, and give the best chance to my Brothers that are blind, or at the very least, a friend to say I`m with you man.
As Christ have said; when greater responsibilities are giving to the workers, much more is required of them.

Do you know your quest.....?

In Truth............ Br Thomas..

My whole existence is dedicated to The Way and being of service to others. There is nothing else for me and there has been nothing else since I was born. I have seen and experienced many miraculous things and the path I walk, is no surprise to me. I have known of it since I was 7 years old. But I do not need to talk about what I am doing, what I will do, with whom shall we proceed, and how did I come to know this or see this.

Speculation and judgments in ignorance does not help our fellow prodigal family to escape from the bondage of the Citizen in this Far Country, what helps them is by showing the way back to the kingdom. Since the Higher Kingdoms of Light all indwell and correlate to a specific level of BEING, the way back to the kingdom is by understanding what hinders one from achieving this. While I am not going to go any further with words about certain things, a mans life is set up so that he will always fall to sleep and never truly know where he is going. He believes he is going straight but he is unknowingly ensnared in a twist -- deviating from what was affirming from the beginning. So man scatters and drowned in reflective sleep not knowing the Astronomy of Man nor the Astronomy of life. Man must understand the Mechanics of the Machine, both within themselves and out, both macrocosm and microcosm -- the man must know the Defect outside of themselves and within themselves -- etc.

It would be much wiser for one to focus on becoming the Good ground and creating within themselves and for their children an environment that is a part from the ways of the world, seeking the kingdom, striving to live in the now where the know can BE. While one should strive to help others insomuch that they can and are open for such help, one can not force their standards on others -- put expectations on them, for we are not all on the same path given the life and not every life has the same objective. There is far too little time and far too much. In the Realm of Souls, there is a Brotherhood of Souls and there are no enemies in spirit, but I digress. Nothing more to add.

by Prism1111 on Mon May 26, 2008 9:28 am

Passerby I am truly happy to hear your words that express your enlightenment as you have been shown of yourself, I humble myself as your brother only to now know that we are in agreement of our common path truly.
with this now, it brings us back to the origanal article in question. You stated in your last post
Man must understand the Mechanics of the Machine, both within themselves and out, both macrocosm and microcosm -- the man must know the Defect outside of themselves and within themselves -- etc.
This is what I was explaining within the deficiency in the world. To eleviate the hidden veils that cause trials upon the body ones can more easily see the path in themselves of the Divine. The evil mechanics our brothers so swiftly believe in traditional ways is the only starting point we may have to help them find that divine path within them. So be it as it may these concpiracy therories as many call them are those Mechanics on the outside of those who are under them, be shacken in that truth, by the truth, which for them is the Highest, and for us it may not.
So we must, if we choose to, learn that Mortal veil of this world of traditional false beliefs to bridge the gap in the truth of Christ within us, to them (apealing to the Christ in them) for the correct progression to the Father.

It seems we have gotten abit to deep within our own theology to explain the simple understanding above. But this too, the adversary had his hand in trying to stop.

Peace and unity to you Passerby truly

Brother Thomas.......

by DarkChylde on Thu May 29, 2008 2:11 am

The_Passerby wrote:

Sigh, you missed my entire point.

Hardly. Just cuz I don't agree doesn't mean I missed it.

Show me how any of this has to do with the work on oneself? How will your spectulations impact the work that needs to be done on your own mind and being? Help me to understand that.

These are not my 'speculations'. I DO speculate, on a great many things, and many times my concentration and meditation on 'things' is the very thing that has brought me many epiphanies. We are MEANT to contemplate, and to think, and if people would do more thinking and speaking out perhaps we would not be in the ever-worsening mess we are in. While I DO agree that as gnostics we are to learn to shy away froming becoming 'political', we are ALL puppets by that definition, I would say what is important is the puppeteer. I choose to allow the ONE, the Living Father to be MY puppeteer. While King George CLAIMS to be 'led by God,' his very actions and mindset show that he is really a servant of s. a. tan. Just as in the days that gnostics were being tortured and murdered for trying to expose the truth, we live in a time when we HAVE the freedom to express ourselves, and our views on things, and you say it is a waste of time. What in the name of all three heavens and all seven hells have we strove for such freedoms, if we don't use them???
So I guess it is far better to let the powers that be just go on, never speaking a word against it? Not MY way, and while such a tendency to decry foul might have earned me a seat in the torture chair in the past (to which I would have gone for the truth) I am ALLOWED to do it now, and I am gonna do it, wether YOU see it as a waste of time or not. If you choose to just sit around and stare into some proverbial mirror and think that you are helping yourself, that is great. I on the other hand, not only wnat to make ME better, but the world around me better. With two children, I have a vested interest int he world being a better place for them. What is the use of knowledge if it doesn't lead to change, not ONLY in yourself but around you as well? I DO work on myself, but I am not blind to what goes on outside of me either.

Bush is a puppet, he is a machine like everyone else. A slave to external stimulus and the world moves him, he does not move the world. He is dangled about. He is earth-bound and moved by laws. He is being moved through the motions of life happening to him -- things are being done but he does nothing, there is no doing in sleep. He pulls no strings, he is hanging from strings and moving to and fro like a Marionette dancing about in unconsciousness intoned by a hidden Pipper. He is bound in Plato's allegory of the Cave, he is under the "Citizen of the Far Country," A slave of poverty under the Pharoah of Egypt, he is mechanical and operates out of a divided nature. He is the same as others. Any plot by an earth-bound consciousness man who can do nothing and is utterly asleep where he doesn't even have a original thought, nor true freedom, is brought about by laws. No organic machine-like individual runs the show but rather the show runs them -- he just plays a role that he was placed in by reason of how individuals engaged the the laws prior. This world is a stage. Only the conscious individuals who know thy self and know the Great Defect can do anything.

Well, that 'puppet' is sure making YOU pay thru the nose right now. But I guess that sits well with you. (Now I see why people call gnostics 'elitists'.) Sigh.

Mankind is mechanical in all their ways, they do not possess consciousness, they do not possess will. They can possess consciousness and they can possess will or greater opportunities to exercise true will, but this takes super efforts because man is a legion within himself. The world without reflects his inner world and he must bring about world peace within himself. He must be a change unto himself and he will be a Light unto others.

This could not be expected of Bush, he hasn't the ability to point the finger at himslef, so perhaps he needs a little shove in that direction.

This is an important concept, a person must see their own nothingness. How little they have and then perhaps through seeing themselves, they can put forth what is in their hands and increase upon the very little, they truly know.

Well, for one, my concept of 'nothingness' means no-one-thingness, which means that nothing is technically everything. But it is a shame you think you have so little, while all I can see is how much I have, how connected to it all I am, and how my every thought, and very action affects others. This is why I plan to DO something, it is part and parcel to the work on myself as well.

I enjoyed watching documentaries like Freedom to Fascism and other such things. I am conscious of what occurs, but for different reasons. Those reasons are to observe the Laws in motion working upon the people. This helps me to perceive its realities and preceive realities within myself and it helps me to use this awareness to help others to understand the Cosmic Laws which move things and ensnares the unconsciousness. Why condemn in others natures which you are imbued with yourself?

I don't remember being the head of a worldwide cooperation (at least not in this life) nor do I remember being a politician, I am not sitting back as a fat cat riding the backs of others, and THAT is what I would 'condemn' (if I am condemning anything.) I am the one being ridden, and I was given a mind and mouth and I intend on using both, for the betterment of myself AS WELL as the betterment of others, and the world we are all sharing. Shame you find trying to make people see the truth and pushing the world toward a TRUE evolvement as a 'waste of time.' Also a shame you cannot see where you yourself could make such a difference in the world if you were a little less self-absorbed.

Brother Thomas, I must thank you again for your posts, I am really learning alot from you. I particularly find your kindness and gentle spirit endearing, your wisdom certainly has an edge of reality that so many miss. You have the 'wise as serpents but harmless as doves' bit down. (I am pretty good with the serpent part, but the dove thing trips me up frequently. Laughing

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by sopherim7 on Thu May 29, 2008 5:36 am

d.c says....

" Well, for one, my concept of 'nothingness' means
no-one-thingness, which means that nothing is technically everything.
But it is a shame you think you have so little, while all I can see is
how much I have, how connected to it all I am, and how my every
thought, and very action affects others. This is why I plan to DO
something, it is part and parcel to the work on myself as well.

I
enjoyed watching documentaries like Freedom to Fascism and other such
things. I am conscious of what occurs, but for different reasons. Those
reasons are to observe the Laws in motion working upon the people. This
helps me to perceive its realities and preceive realities within myself
and it helps me to use this awareness to help others to understand the
Cosmic Laws which move things and ensnares the unconsciousness. Why
condemn in others natures which you are imbued with yourself?

what you say starting in the 1st pgph is so so so right on i so agree. your whole post resonates deep with me

flower

by The_Passerby on Thu May 29, 2008 5:51 am

Hardly. Just cuz I don't agree doesn't mean I missed it.

You did miss my point and parts of your reponse proves this fact. And I did not say that as a reason of why you don't agree with me. You don't have to agree with me.

These are not my 'speculations'. I DO speculate, on a great many things, and many times my concentration and meditation on 'things' is the very thing that has brought me many epiphanies. We are MEANT to contemplate, and to think, and if people would do more thinking and speaking out perhaps we would not be in the ever-worsening mess we are in.

No one told others not to think, but be mindful of what you put your energy into. A person must have conscious awareness, your energy is already spread out thin enough (I can explain this reality if you like). What is greater to know, is why things are the way they are and it is beyond Bush or anyone like him. That is all. I am actually telling people to think beyond the organic.

While I DO agree that as gnostics we are to learn to shy away froming becoming 'political', we are ALL puppets by that definition, I would say what is important is the puppeteer. I choose to allow the ONE, the Living Father to be MY puppeteer. While King George CLAIMS to be 'led by God,' his very actions and mindset show that he is really a servant of s. a. tan. Just as in the days that gnostics were being tortured and murdered for trying to expose the truth, we live in a time when we HAVE the freedom to express ourselves, and our views on things, and you say it is a waste of time. What in the name of all three heavens and all seven hells have we strove for such freedoms, if we don't use them???

One caring about politics isn't what makes them a puppet to me. There is nothing wrong with politics, just that an individual must know that it is all a product of divisions. There are forces/laws which move everything in this world and bring about every single event, often in relation to how man engages these laws. For instance, your mention of Bush following Satan. Well, everyone in this world is bound by what Satan allegorically represents. There is a gravity upon the mind which keeps a mans thinking earth-bound and organic, where they can not ascend beyond the limits of what their natural mind can produce.

The Laws bring about all things. And what people see as freedoms is an illusion. Natural man is no more free than any other machine. To have freedoms is to own self, man does not possess himself -- but everything possesses natural man, parts of himself clings to many things, man is legion. This is why he does things which harms another and goes against what is often best for him and others because he does not know himself. To exercise freedoms takes will, a man does not have a single indivisible will because he is divided within himself and his will is whatever the world reflects in him. So where is his freedoms? Yeshua said Truth will set you free, many are far from this reality.

So I guess it is far better to let the powers that be just go on, never speaking a word against it? Not MY way,

I was not in any way, shape, or form telling you or anyone else to be complacent. But just saying to be mindful of what you think you know and try to perceive beyond the surface. People have such a strong anger towards Bush and others like him. They give him far too much credit. The Laws bring about every event and often people reap the result of their complaceny, decisions, and unconscious movements. It is far more important to perceive the reality of the Laws, the Defect, and oneself. One invokes things against themselves when they judge in ignorance. I care for others, so I just want to bring things about these Laws and Self to their attention so that they can achieve what they desire. And I am always the first to state to people not to be complacent. My initial post, which started this thread IS all about that reality. I am speaking to the complaceny of people and how they are stuck in blaming everyone for their problems, but not taking flight for their own life. Often a man is his own suffering and often people are reaping what has been invoked prior. There is so much to say on this, so much to this.

If you choose to just sit around and stare into some proverbial mirror and think that you are helping yourself, that is great.

Do you think that we are not integral parts of one another, and that by doing unto others you do unto yourself? That we reflect each others realities and to love another is to be for them and help them to overcome themselves?

Well, that 'puppet' is sure making YOU pay thru the nose right now. But I guess that sits well with you. (Now I see why people call gnostics 'elitists'.) Sigh.

I don't see what I said as having any hint of elitism. He is a puppet, unless you are suggesting that he knows thy self and is not divided within self and is Anointed/Enlightened? He is a puppet danced on strings that he does not see, just like every man of a natural mind is. This is the reality of being a bondage to the God of this World, to the Archons, etc. There was a reason why Valentinus, whom you are practitioner of said that only Pnematics had a chance for salvation, even lesser is the chance of one who is psychic and those of the hylic have no chance and are already dead. There is a reason why this is often times these reasons are of the utmost importance.

This could not be expected of Bush, he hasn't the ability to point the finger at himslef, so perhaps he needs a little shove in that direction.

Like I said, he is a machine. Most do not see themselves and never have.

Well, for one, my concept of 'nothingness' means no-one-thingness, which means that nothing is technically everything. But it is a shame you think you have so little, while all I can see is how much I have, how connected to it all I am, and how my every thought, and very action affects others. This is why I plan to DO something, it is part and parcel to the work on myself as well.

What I mean by one must see their nothingness, is that one must come to see the mechanicalness of their being. That they are in bondage to the world in many ways -- they must see themselves -- they must see the defective nature of reality. For it is in the disease that the cure can be gained from. A man is asleep, he must see this. Then he has the chance to awake. Then he can die and then he may acquire life. And this death is not physical death, but a death to this world -- as in being a part from it, this is a death to what a man has thought himself to be. If he sees this in himself, then he can gradually work on becoming alive.

Shame you find trying to make people see the truth and pushing the world toward a TRUE evolvement as a 'waste of time.' Also a shame you cannot see where you yourself could make such a difference in the world if you were a little less self-absorbed.

I am trying to get people to think above the surface. If they can see into the esoteric of things, then they will become a further Light to the world. It is what I strive for daily. But I don't judge things that I do not know and I don't judge people in ignorance. But I attempt to see and perceive in many perspectives to form a more whole vision. Discernment is very important -- strive to discern all things and see all things from different equal facets. Yeshua condemned the Pharisees because he knew their mindset and condition, so for him this had come from righteousness, having already taken the beam from his own eye to perceive their lacking -- thus he could help them with tough love by revealing their reality that they were blind to. I'm really not into myself, I know the work begins with oneself and their family. One must start where they are. If I can truly be of help to others, I must first be of help to myself or I can not serve them to my best ability.

by DarkChylde on Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:16 pm

We are ALL puppets, machines, or whatever, and I personally feel we came here cuz we wanted to, we had some purpopse to be here, and here we are.

ANd as far as my 'energy' being spread too thin, that would be for me to decide, you know NOTHING of me, and I can assure you, I have PLENTY of energy to go around, I would loan you some should you need it, tho I can't.

And after your statements about new-aging gnosticism and even your statements of the 'deficiancy of reality,' don't delude yourself into thinking you are not judgemental, cuz you are, we ALL are. Comes with the package of choice.

by The_Passerby on Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:57 am

Our Souls expressed here because they are striving and through the process of interbeing evolution -- which is Soul Development. So one is here because they are meant to and it is their Souls which has framed their life experience, as there is a definite objective that is being worked toward or expressed towards given what has been invoked prior.

When I made note of energy, I am referring to it in a completely different manner. It is an unavoidable reality, unless one moves with conscious-awareness and redirects the multitude within themselves likewise bringing about proper functions by becoming aware of the movements within them to utilize this energy towards expansion of consciousness it will be quite difficult to maintain a greater degree of energy. A man reaches out in many directs unknowingly and what he thinks he has and thinks he knows he does not. And no one has to agree with anything I say personally, all you need do is observe your own life.

My statements on the New Age is not a judgment of ignorance, after all, the New Age "environment" is all I ever knew growing up. I grew up in a New Age/New Thought (even went to a New Age/New Thought Church as a kid, pretty much since I was born) household and my mother was a reader of many New Age books. So I know about the New Age -- but my perspective was on the New Age mindset central to non-discernment and negation. This, when I speak of the New Age, is not a judgment in ignorance. The Great Defect is not a judgment ignorance, seeing the challenges, seeing the mechanics of this world in regards its movements, forces, divisions, and etc is utilizing discernment which can help oneself navigate through self works for many different reasons. By studying what laws move and govern the world, one can of study themselves, as these same laws take place on every level of our mind and being to various capacities. This is all by far different than calling some man a person for Satan, calling him a Idiot, dumb, he doesn't care for anyone, he is selfish, arrogant, etc -- these are all really personal attacks against an individual in a manner that you can't possibly know about, but it is an expression that is popularized. The things I have said about deficiencies and Mindsets are not attacks on peoples characters. As I have stated prior, I don't know Bush, I am not a supporter of Bush, but I won't judge things of him that I do not know. I speak on things I know and none of them are personal attacks, all I can do is point out objective observations that I accumulate and receive direct knowledge into. Which is why I take about realities that are all compassing, no matter if you are rich or poor, young or old, and etc. And I do not separate myself from my words -- because I know that such a thing is impossible, and it is better to see in yourself that which is imbalanced to be another's perpetual judge. Perhaps you can use your observations to free yourself from an entanglement, and through doing so help others in the same.

by DarkChylde on Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:39 am

New Age is not 'new' at all, tis very old knowledge given a new wrapping.

ABout the energy thing, we still all have different levels we all live in, different choices and reactions and different 'energies' as well. I for one used to be ashamed of my passion, and my 'nerve', but now I know it is a blessing and I try to use it for the enlightenment of others.

And the only TRUE reality is the eternal ONE. Period. ALL others are illusions, and darn temporary ones (including this one! Razz

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