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More Black Racism in Toledo, Ohio?
by David Ben-Ariel on Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:37 am
Agency chief championing minority business in Toledo
Toledo African-American Bureau of Commerce, formerly Northwest Ohio Black Chamber of Commerce? Can I find that in the Black Pages Ohio? The Toledo Regional Chamber of Commerce serves all regardless of color or ethnicity.
Could you imagine the hypocritical hue and cry if The Blade ran a favorable piece about a Toledo White Chamber of Commerce committed to championing white businesses, galvanizing white contractors? Yet we've been conditioned to expect as much from anybody butwhite people, haven't we? I guess I'll have to wait until White History Month to get some serious answers.
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Toledo African-American Bureau of Commerce, formerly Northwest Ohio Black Chamber of Commerce? Can I find that in the Black Pages Ohio? The Toledo Regional Chamber of Commerce serves all regardless of color or ethnicity.
Could you imagine the hypocritical hue and cry if The Blade ran a favorable piece about a Toledo White Chamber of Commerce committed to championing white businesses, galvanizing white contractors? Yet we've been conditioned to expect as much from anybody butwhite people, haven't we? I guess I'll have to wait until White History Month to get some serious answers.
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Re: More Black Racism in Toledo, Ohio?
by DarkChylde on Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:31 am
You know what, I am going to really love you in spite of yourself. I know you promote such ideas because you are so afraid, and I wish you could know the inner peace that comes with the letting go of such fears. 
whirled and inner peas,
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Re: More Black Racism in Toledo, Ohio?
by The_Passerby on Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:56 am
David Ben-Ariel IS entitled to his opinion, but what is clear in his interpretation is the aspect of the Tower of Babel, which is a reality of mind. When he opens the scriptures all he sees is the very limited and narrow spectrum of his own perspective. Everything he sees is filtered through his beliefs, of which are characterized by specific faculties of mind. This is true for anyone, as the scriptures are composed in a universal manner and because there are different faculties of mind that an individual is often polarized to, this bring forth different perspectives in the same. So a Muslim will read the Bible and only see what agree with his path, A Pagan another, and so forth, and since they view things in right and wrong, often believing they are right (complete which is an illusion in part, as they are only right in a fragmentary manner) and everyone else is wrong, when it would be better for them to say they are both right and wrong since they lack wholeness. So thus he quotes a section from Paul, where it mentions race, and yet he doesn't understand that this very Gnostic Paul was referring to the Pneumatic race, the Pneumatic Christians who are to be in the world but not of it, passer-by's and that they should be separate, as in apart from the ways of those who were are in bondage under the many vices of the God of this World. This was the call to remain within their communities, which were spiritual, to not be of the practices or acts which the people of the world do, since as Pneumatic Christians they hold a much higher standard of knowledge/truth to live up to then their fellow prodigal siblings who dwell under the Citizen of this World (Prodigal son reference). So this standard is not held to their outward family, so they must be all conservative and full within themselves, never to cling to that which can deprive them from growth to heaven, but be understanding and empathic with their outward family not subjecting them to their standards.
I don't blame him, he looks out at this world now and perceives how white people get the short end of the stick, because he perceives from the condition he is imbued, it is his polarized perspective. And while he is right from one perspective, that politically correctness has created an environment where people can't say anything constructive to a person of another race or they are themed racist, he also is seeing things from a very limited perspective that is truly lacking. He makes the opinion that the races should separate, but lacks the knowledge and observation that if the races came together as they have, then perhaps this came about for a higher purpose that he is utterly not perceiving because of his polarization. Does he know better than God does? Since nothing happens outside of the All-Parent's will? And if the Laws of God was meant to keep all races separate this would've been the reality? Perhaps he doesn't understand the higher reality of such a place like America, that each individual if they want are well within their rights to live separate and apart from another, as long as their beliefs don't infringe upon the right of another, but be harmonious within this segregation like a body's organs are segregated in a harmonious manner. Perhaps he will learn that we don't all function from the same faculties of mind and when there is an environment created where many races come together with their different cultures which are an expression of the faculties of mind they are centered in naturally, what it creates is a environment of development, where much growth can be had, where much movement in the laws can be had. We are engaging different faculties of mind through those whom we engage. But is this for everyone? Some people do need to separate from another, some blacks and whites should live separate from each other, as is true with other races (could benefit them better in their experience), but then the paradox is that many blacks, whites, and etc should live together with one another. It is not 1 perspective deal, but many that are equally true.
In my experience, I am a black man something that many would not guess because of the stereotypes of what a black man is supposed to be that is propagated in ignorance. I grew up and went to school within a hippie environment, and the school I went to was greatly diverse. And while, in my experience, I have seen nothing but benefits of the races living and interacting with one another as brothers/sisters of a different cosmic condition as a filter for the mind, I would not apply my experience to others, because we are not all the same and we are not all working on the same thing within a given lifetime. What is true in the experience of one, is not as beneficial in another. But even in saying this, if people would be the change they want to see, then the rearing up of children would be more harmonious.
Ben probably thinks he is a pro on the black issues in America because he watches Foxnews (lol) but he would be very limitedly judging something he doesn't understand. Places like America were created from a higher perspective for development, nothing happens outside of the fathers will, that the races came together as they did in America was a very important event, as such a opportunity become open. And it is held by law that this occurred and these many different vibrations are manifest. And there is no such thing of a take over, or of a race disappearing, as these are necessary conditions for the souls development, cosmic conditions, the same with mix races, they to are necessary conditions and balance will always be maintained when one side of the equation attempts to undo the other. Just as the Native American condition was maintained when prior a whole genocide was almost forced upon them for their land. So there will always be born within a given era those who segregate themselves and want segregation, those who don't and want to live together, and those who whose cultures mix together and if it wasn't necessary it would not be, that it is conveys the reality that constant balance is maintained and this is apart of God's will. But interpreting scripture to detail your own insecurities, you should really rethink. Race in scriptures is not referring to different human races, nor does a "Jew" in scriptures refer to a literal Jewish man in history, neither does a Greek, a Gentile, and etc, this are mindsets which anyone can be imbued with. For instance those of the House of Israel refers to those who are Pneumatic, Gentiles: Those who are Psychic, Jews/Pharisaic: those who are Hylic. So while Mr. Ben will perceive the Children of Israel and Light as white people, he is greatly flawed, as it refers to those who are Pneumatic and in reference to within you, those aspects of yourself that support the higher vibration of the Anointing, to manifest the kingdom within yourself. Israel has nothing to do with a place in this world, neither its people, but Israel is a condition that you must manifest within yourself, as you overcome and prevail of the Laws/Angel to inherit the glories of the Spirit. The God in the Torah is an allegory, read literally he becomes a demiurge. The Torah God is a reality of the Laws which work upon the mind, in some places it is the law of karma (sow what you reap, God of wrath) in other places a different function of the laws/archons.
For Ben - So since you, Ben, are finding fault with God's Laws, and think you know better as to how things should be perhaps you should reevaluate yourself and perceive that this issue which exist outside of you is the reflection of the issues which rages within yourself and perhaps you need to rectify this defect within yourself instead of seeking to force your own issues on others, that you are not facing by reflecting it outwards.
However what do I know? So take what resonates within you.
I don't blame him, he looks out at this world now and perceives how white people get the short end of the stick, because he perceives from the condition he is imbued, it is his polarized perspective. And while he is right from one perspective, that politically correctness has created an environment where people can't say anything constructive to a person of another race or they are themed racist, he also is seeing things from a very limited perspective that is truly lacking. He makes the opinion that the races should separate, but lacks the knowledge and observation that if the races came together as they have, then perhaps this came about for a higher purpose that he is utterly not perceiving because of his polarization. Does he know better than God does? Since nothing happens outside of the All-Parent's will? And if the Laws of God was meant to keep all races separate this would've been the reality? Perhaps he doesn't understand the higher reality of such a place like America, that each individual if they want are well within their rights to live separate and apart from another, as long as their beliefs don't infringe upon the right of another, but be harmonious within this segregation like a body's organs are segregated in a harmonious manner. Perhaps he will learn that we don't all function from the same faculties of mind and when there is an environment created where many races come together with their different cultures which are an expression of the faculties of mind they are centered in naturally, what it creates is a environment of development, where much growth can be had, where much movement in the laws can be had. We are engaging different faculties of mind through those whom we engage. But is this for everyone? Some people do need to separate from another, some blacks and whites should live separate from each other, as is true with other races (could benefit them better in their experience), but then the paradox is that many blacks, whites, and etc should live together with one another. It is not 1 perspective deal, but many that are equally true.
In my experience, I am a black man something that many would not guess because of the stereotypes of what a black man is supposed to be that is propagated in ignorance. I grew up and went to school within a hippie environment, and the school I went to was greatly diverse. And while, in my experience, I have seen nothing but benefits of the races living and interacting with one another as brothers/sisters of a different cosmic condition as a filter for the mind, I would not apply my experience to others, because we are not all the same and we are not all working on the same thing within a given lifetime. What is true in the experience of one, is not as beneficial in another. But even in saying this, if people would be the change they want to see, then the rearing up of children would be more harmonious.
Ben probably thinks he is a pro on the black issues in America because he watches Foxnews (lol) but he would be very limitedly judging something he doesn't understand. Places like America were created from a higher perspective for development, nothing happens outside of the fathers will, that the races came together as they did in America was a very important event, as such a opportunity become open. And it is held by law that this occurred and these many different vibrations are manifest. And there is no such thing of a take over, or of a race disappearing, as these are necessary conditions for the souls development, cosmic conditions, the same with mix races, they to are necessary conditions and balance will always be maintained when one side of the equation attempts to undo the other. Just as the Native American condition was maintained when prior a whole genocide was almost forced upon them for their land. So there will always be born within a given era those who segregate themselves and want segregation, those who don't and want to live together, and those who whose cultures mix together and if it wasn't necessary it would not be, that it is conveys the reality that constant balance is maintained and this is apart of God's will. But interpreting scripture to detail your own insecurities, you should really rethink. Race in scriptures is not referring to different human races, nor does a "Jew" in scriptures refer to a literal Jewish man in history, neither does a Greek, a Gentile, and etc, this are mindsets which anyone can be imbued with. For instance those of the House of Israel refers to those who are Pneumatic, Gentiles: Those who are Psychic, Jews/Pharisaic: those who are Hylic. So while Mr. Ben will perceive the Children of Israel and Light as white people, he is greatly flawed, as it refers to those who are Pneumatic and in reference to within you, those aspects of yourself that support the higher vibration of the Anointing, to manifest the kingdom within yourself. Israel has nothing to do with a place in this world, neither its people, but Israel is a condition that you must manifest within yourself, as you overcome and prevail of the Laws/Angel to inherit the glories of the Spirit. The God in the Torah is an allegory, read literally he becomes a demiurge. The Torah God is a reality of the Laws which work upon the mind, in some places it is the law of karma (sow what you reap, God of wrath) in other places a different function of the laws/archons.
For Ben - So since you, Ben, are finding fault with God's Laws, and think you know better as to how things should be perhaps you should reevaluate yourself and perceive that this issue which exist outside of you is the reflection of the issues which rages within yourself and perhaps you need to rectify this defect within yourself instead of seeking to force your own issues on others, that you are not facing by reflecting it outwards.
However what do I know? So take what resonates within you.
Re: More Black Racism in Toledo, Ohio?
by theeternaliam on Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:01 am
He seems afraid that he will somehow lack if black people are given more. Don't fear, Ben, God provides for us all. Why do you look so intently on this world. Turn yer back to it and look on the light for a moment. Why are you trying so hard to see if others are "getting more"? Why take offense to such things? Remeber the parable Jesus Christ spoke of. The one in which a boss hires a bunch of workers for differing amounts of hours. He ends up paying them all the same amount. The one who worked the longest got payed what he was expected yet he wasn't satisfied b/c others were payed as much as him for less hours of work. His pride was bruised as I'm sure yers is when you hear of the benefits blacks reap. Rejoice for yer brothers, be happy for the benefits they incur and be sad for the injustices they incur as well.
Keep faith, God provides for us all.
Keep faith, God provides for us all.
Re: More Black Racism in Toledo, Ohio?
by DarkChylde on Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:24 am
Passerby- this is very true. I like your description of the gnostic interpretation of Shaul, I used to think he was about as gnostic as my socks but I am learning how to interpret his work in a gnostic light, once I get past the brainwashing of the orthodox training I have. Bob has also posted some very good facts and info about the interpretation of the 'children of Israel,' and there is no doubting his research.
Iam- Very well put, and very good points.
Iam- Very well put, and very good points.
whirled and inner peas,
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GNOTHI SEAUTON
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GNOTHI SEAUTON
'Gnosis is knowledge of the heart'... Valentinus
333 half evil
Re: More Black Racism in Toledo, Ohio?
by David Ben-Ariel on Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:04 am
DarkChylde wrote:You know what
What I know is that you've miserably failed to address the issues of BLACK RACISM in Toledo.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Re: More Black Racism in Toledo, Ohio?
by theeternaliam on Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:28 pm
David Ben-Ariel wrote:Who is Ben?
Ben is the Son, the Right Hand of God. Mercy. The one who preserves judgement.
Re: More Black Racism in Toledo, Ohio?
by theeternaliam on Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:09 pm
Beni-Amin means son of God or Right hand of God, so yeh, It correlates w/ the Tree of Life(in my view)
Re: More Black Racism in Toledo, Ohio?
by St. Elmo's Fire on Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:24 pm
Yesterday, I watched a piece on a tv news doc. showing 3 young white males distroying a car in a parking lot at a neighborhood park. They were spray painting graphiti all over it and beating it with a ball bat. Several people were filmed interacting with them over a period of hours. Only one called 911.
Meanwhile, a coupla blocks away, 3 black youths were pretending to SLEEP in a car. There were 3 911 calls about them.
The entire thing was a setup by the news crew.
I suppose that it dosen't prove anything, but it does suggest that most people see what they want to see and disreguard the rest maybe?
Meanwhile, a coupla blocks away, 3 black youths were pretending to SLEEP in a car. There were 3 911 calls about them.
The entire thing was a setup by the news crew.
I suppose that it dosen't prove anything, but it does suggest that most people see what they want to see and disreguard the rest maybe?
Re: More Black Racism in Toledo, Ohio?
by The_Passerby on Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:54 pm
theeternaliam wrote:Beni-Amin means son of God or Right hand of God, so yeh, It correlates w/ the Tree of Life(in my view)
I could add something to this. The Right hand and the left hand of God are concepts in the Clementine Homilies. In regards the Tree Of Life one can say that there are 14 spheres, two of which represent the Left and Right Hand or the Laws which work upon the Tree, which is the Mind. The Tree OF LIFE in its divided state where the two columns are included excluding the middle column becomes the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, or The Tree of Duality, this True is infact that of knowledge. Without experiential knowledge one can't reach the tree of life and it is through the developmental experience of those polarities and uniting them in the center that the image of the Tree of Life, which is undivided, where the Heavenly/Crown Sphere comes into oneness with the Earthly Sphere.
Also to keep in mind, in regards the Archon's there is a Left hand and the Right hand...
Re: More Black Racism in Toledo, Ohio?
by DarkChylde on Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:52 am
David Ben-Ariel wrote:DarkChylde wrote:You know what
What I know is that you've miserably failed to address the issues of BLACK RACISM in Toledo.
Don't shoot the messenger.
I am determined to love him.
Perhaps we should first address the issues of RACISM period, and address how God wants you to be a racist.
RACISM is WRONG. Be careful in fighting monsters you don't become one.... (since you might not connect the dots, David BEN Ariel, is being racist the right way to fight racism???? Hmmmmmm??
)whirled and inner peas,
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'Gnosis is knowledge of the heart'... Valentinus
333 half evil
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GNOTHI SEAUTON
'Gnosis is knowledge of the heart'... Valentinus
333 half evil
effects on the children
by sopherim7 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:18 pm
2 weeks ago my 8 year old daughter got off the bus distrought and in tears, 2 older kids encouraged a kindergardener to start teasing my daughter and her friend who is mallto.i have taught ALL my children that those kinds of people are ignorant and do not know god or his love and that your reply to them should be along the lines of im sorry you are so hatefull i"ll pray for you .as i have tought them the only way to over come evil is by doing good . well these kids were hell bent on causing pain.and the older kids had that littlest girl start calling my dhtrs friend the "n" word and my girl a "n" lover
well my daughter had had enough stood up and said thats right told them they were nasty and they should get a life. the bus driver yelled at my daughter and she got a refferal home. well i took my self down to the school and stood with my girl as she told the story to the principal , head of transport .the older kids were suspended for 3 days the kindergartener got a lesson in vocabulary. and my daughtwer recieved an apology from the bus driver and the principal.it is so hard to get kids to understand the power of words creative power.that the effects are deep and that hate words directed
to another human life cause death in them.justas words of lovecreate life .
well my daughter had had enough stood up and said thats right told them they were nasty and they should get a life. the bus driver yelled at my daughter and she got a refferal home. well i took my self down to the school and stood with my girl as she told the story to the principal , head of transport .the older kids were suspended for 3 days the kindergartener got a lesson in vocabulary. and my daughtwer recieved an apology from the bus driver and the principal.it is so hard to get kids to understand the power of words creative power.that the effects are deep and that hate words directed
to another human life cause death in them.justas words of lovecreate life .
Re: More Black Racism in Toledo, Ohio?
by DarkChylde on Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:52 pm
I am really sorry your daughter and her friend had to endure that, Sopherim. 
Hate and bigotry is wrong no matter who it comes from or who it is directed at. And it does NOT come from God, but from exisitng in ignorance of your connection to God is where it comes from.
Hate and bigotry is wrong no matter who it comes from or who it is directed at. And it does NOT come from God, but from exisitng in ignorance of your connection to God is where it comes from.
whirled and inner peas,
_./'\._¸¸.•¤**¤•.¸.•¤**¤
*•. . •*** DarkChylde **
/.•*•.\ ¸..•¤**¤•., .•¤**¤•
GNOTHI SEAUTON
'Gnosis is knowledge of the heart'... Valentinus
333 half evil
_./'\._¸¸.•¤**¤•.¸.•¤**¤
*•. . •*** DarkChylde **
/.•*•.\ ¸..•¤**¤•., .•¤**¤•
GNOTHI SEAUTON
'Gnosis is knowledge of the heart'... Valentinus
333 half evil