Re: Bush, read your Bible

by David Ben-Ariel on Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:32 am

BelzeBob wrote:Dear David Ben-Ariel

I have the following problems with what you are saying:

The state of Israel (a fascist, racist, money-grubbing evil dictatorship) has no right to exist.

You sure you're not describing professing Christian countries? Regardless, the Bible rebukes your nonsense and reveals it is God's Will to restore Jews (first of all 12 Tribes) to the Promised Land of ISRAEL and there grant them repentance. Why oppose the Word and Will of God? Such vain opposition is destined to melt away.

Those fringe Jews in their own self-imposed exile will die in their physical and spiritual exile, and their own Judaism condemns their folly.

by David Ben-Ariel on Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:37 am

Admin wrote:
Now, as I said, this was just a isolated example of how some 'religious' Jews may feel and act. Most of them, I am sure, are normal and kind people. There are probably fundamentalist Christians, Muslims, Mormons, etc., too, who would act in a similar way.

Was their daughter that stupid to not realize they wouldn't approve of her dating a non-Jew? I'm part of the Sabbath-keeping Church of God, composed of every color, and we believe we should each marry our own kind (general race) and definitely nobody outside of our Church. This is the way it used to be for most of mankind before they deceived themselves that they had "progressed" beyond such biblical basics.

by BelzeBob on Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:16 pm

I have nothing more to say about this. Especially since David Ben-Ariel seems not the least interested in discussing those points I brought up about the Zionists, Jewish racism and the politically all-important Holocaust-swindle. For which I have a lot of proof. But I can't argue with people who "don't wanna know". It's fruitless.

I won't check back into "political issues again". Anyway, I go to other forums for that.

BB bounce

by DarkChylde on Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:39 am

I agree with Bob, the Admin, that God transends 'state' and 'office' and to think otherwise lowers him, and us for doing so. And that the Jews have been persecuted, which is why I don't understand why they persecute now....

I agree with BBob that this is a pointless discussion and even I am going to refrain from involving myself too much in this. No ears to hear, ya know what I mean, BBob? You can't shout the truth loud enough to be heard by those who are deaf to it.... ( I am, thru much trial and tribulation, learning that not everyone is capable of handling the truth- not in this lifetime at least.) I too have friends in the link you offered, a fine group and very devout and wonderful people, and boy, do THEY know their scripture. I doubt if they would come into this discussion, tho, the ones I know are strict orthodox types, but strangely nice ones....

Ben-Ariel, the Bible you go on and on about is full of misconceptions. You obviously worship the demiurge, and your self-improtance, bigotry and control -freak tendencies proves that, or to quote a GNOSTIC text, 'you show the god within you.' But I really mean that in the nicest way (bit of a self-important control freak myself, actually, but I am recooperating, heh heh).

And I doubt if I would be labled antisemtic, (tho I noticed on another thread you said I was 'racist') as my family tree is Meyer, my great-grandfather was a German Jew. The rest of me is Irish, and a far back dash of Lakota Sioux. (My maternal g-grandpa.)

by Cha_Chynga on Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:05 am

David Ben-Ariel wrote:In the upcoming days, billboards all over Jerusalem will be plastered with a new poster on the eve of U.S. President Bush's visit to Israel.

“The Biblical claim of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel was recognized by the British in the Balfour Declaration of 1917, which called for the establishment of a Jewish State in Palestine,” Fishman states. “The British believed in the Bible and what was written in it, and that was what guided Lord Balfour in winning the support of the British Parliament.

Got the Wrong Location and Wrong people. Those scum bag anti-Israel Israeli's have too many people believing they are the people of the Bible called Israel. It aint so.

by theeternaliam on Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:18 pm

Brother, Christ has said, Judge Not Lest Ye Shall Be Judged.

by Cha_Chynga on Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:59 am

theeternaliam wrote:Brother, Christ has said, Judge Not Lest Ye Shall Be Judged.

You take it outa context.

The opposite is true, we are CALLED specifically to Judge.

I can cite scripture if you like but I doubt that you'd pay attention.

by theeternaliam on Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:47 am

The Son of God judges Man, God is the Judge, you aren't implying you can and even try to attempt to "overthrow" His Authority, do you? Until you can truly say w/o a doubt, that you Know all things, Understand All, Create All,and Love Totally, you can definetely not judge any being. Yer ego may find scriptures to back up yer beliefs, but of course, my ego soes the same, as you said that I'm taking that quote out of context.

by The_Passerby on Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:01 am

by The_Passerby on Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:22 am

theeternaliam wrote:The Son of God judges Man, God is the Judge, you aren't implying you can and even try to attempt to "overthrow" His Authority, do you? Until you can truly say w/o a doubt, that you Know all things, Understand All, Create All,and Love Totally, you can definetely not judge any being. Yer ego may find scriptures to back up yer beliefs, but of course, my ego soes the same, as you said that I'm taking that quote out of context.

Eternal,

More like judgments in ignorance with no benefit to those whom you are discerning, is that which is a product of a void in you and it is something that you will have to come to terms with, since it is an defect in mind.

We are no ones judger's, but we are called to discern all things in order to understand them, which in effect helps one to have the opportunity to discern an aspect within themselves that is perceived through another's image, as their vibration correlates to a vibration of mind which is a aspect of your Legion-personality. If one must judge, then do so in righteousness. And in order to achieve this, one can not be an hypocrite; judging something in another that is ironically a disease within themselves. For instance, one becomes that which they hate, because that which they judge they condemn a reality in themselves that, they to, possess and then they must work out the imbalance which is invoked to the forefront of their experience as they engage the Cosmic Laws. The force will compel them to be polarized to their hate, in order to rectify the defect or deficiency within themselves.

What cha called the literal Israelites and taking about how their delusional about being God's Chosen people, he himself is guilty of the same exact thing. For Israel has nothing to do with a place or a people from a Spiritual perspective; and that he imagines that he holds some cards over them, as if he is Chosen and better, is just the same variety of ignorance that they are projecting. And sense he is blind and does not see that he judge himself, because he is also pharisaic in mindset, he invokes the laws against himself and will have to come to terms with them.

Cha knows absolutely nothing about Yeshua's The Way and like the blind, he judges that which he himself is guilty of.

And scriptures are in that manner, but they are esoteric and allegorical. He perceives them through a hylic consciousness, so of course, they are what they are to him. But it can be said, that he has never read the scriptures before in his entire life; he has only gazed upon the garment that conceals what is esoteric and genuine, of which can only be revealed when one turns them within. He perceives them through the lens of a Jew, and I don't mean the literal jewish people, but the hylic, whom take the oracles and Spiritual words and subject them to the flesh in ritual and tradition, in OUTWARD God-Central ignorance of a a god of their own vices and thinking, failing to even bring about the necessary conditions which are prime for the transformation necessary to become 1/12's of what Yeshua did. They are not bringing about the necessary changes in body-mind for them to function in mind beyond the very limited and mundane level of consciousness.

The reason I can say this, is because the Pharisaic in me has been reared up into the higher ideal, and having utilized a greater potential of perspectives and faculties of mind, I can provide stimulus to one who is Pharisee or Jew in mindset. Unless one removes what obstructs their vision causing their perspective to turn upon itself, revealing their own blindness, they have no right to judge another, like Cha is.

by Admin on Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:43 pm

Hi Passerby

I fully agree with what you have said here, and commend you on your clear vision and straightforward explanation.

PLU ~ Bob Very Happy

by The_Passerby on Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:14 am

Admin wrote:Hi Passerby

I fully agree with what you have said here, and commend you on your clear vision and straightforward explanation.

PLU ~ Bob

If only people could understand, that just as gravity is law, when Yeshua and others spoke, they spoke of realities in regards the forces which work upon mind and being. And when people attempt to argue against these things, it is like arguing that if you through a rock into the sky right above your head, that the same rock which you propelled with a ascending force, will come back upon you with a descending force.

But it goes to show you, as Yeshua has said, "Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?" (John 3:11-12 NKJ).