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the "I" factor
by sopherim7 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:52 pm
boy, i will tell you the battle feild of the mind can at times overwhelm a soul.i have again gone thru another hurtfull situation
since the end of last week and have been struggiling to win this battle with my enemy,...self.
i have read that albert einstien says crazy is to to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result.
well what about when it comes to a trust issue? i have most certinley forgiven ,but trusting is another thing all together.when you catch some one in lies, what does one do?
one part of self is suspicious,one is gulliable, one is angry one is trusting one is scared and one wants to ignore it all. and one is really confused with all the different opinions. what is the balance? what is right? sometimes logic and right seem to not line up .one cannot do what they feel as feelings fluctuate and are temporary.any advice would be greatley appreciated along with prayers
sopherim
since the end of last week and have been struggiling to win this battle with my enemy,...self.
i have read that albert einstien says crazy is to to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result.
well what about when it comes to a trust issue? i have most certinley forgiven ,but trusting is another thing all together.when you catch some one in lies, what does one do?
one part of self is suspicious,one is gulliable, one is angry one is trusting one is scared and one wants to ignore it all. and one is really confused with all the different opinions. what is the balance? what is right? sometimes logic and right seem to not line up .one cannot do what they feel as feelings fluctuate and are temporary.any advice would be greatley appreciated along with prayers
sopherim
Col. 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory
Re: the "I" factor
by Brian on Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:01 pm
A philosopher wrote:I will tell you that the battlefield of the mind can at times overwhelm a soul...and have been struggiling to win this battle with my enemy,...self
The persuit of Truth and Understanding is inherently dangerous. That's probably why there are so many 'Battle' metaphors used in religious texts. The mind's mental-model can get "blown apart" in a sense. Then the pieces *somehow* come back together again. It's sort of like a "death and rebirth cycle" but in the mind. The mental model will restabilize again. Each time it will be a little different, make a little more sense and become a little more stable.
The I factor
by Prism1111 on Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:18 am
My dear sopherim, Peace be unto you Sister indeed within the Father to rest and reflect from the Sanctuary of the Joy within us in spirit, looking at the worldly aspect we try to live in ourselves, and seeing the powers of importance of each within us to go forward in a Positive way. For I too in an amazing relazation of the same, am going through the same decisions in Me after numerous times of witnessing false Manipulation for an agenda to be carried out not of God, but of Man directly aimed at me, from I thought one of the closest people I knew.
The many feelings You stated are right on corse with me too Sister Sopherim although I have a few more Like, Pity, Takin, Cutting off Joy, Fading away, and even Hatrid which Brings me back to God and self. This cycle will continue untill I make a choice in myself of where the now must start again in myself with her.
See I moved 700 miles to help her out. Boy I guess a worthy quest ay...Buy realizing that People change themselves if They wish to, and the seed reaches fertile ground to grow within , not a momentary band aid to survive in the flesh.
Sopherim I have come to grips with what I must do and seek a change to happen that only the Father knows the Summary of, but He lets us know each step to that finish as always. Each step we must take in ourselves to facilatate a sort of evolution of Mindset for returning to the Fulness of all concerned but is done by us alone with ourself. Yes this may come to confronting the Lie directly, which will truely alter the paths abruptly.
I right now am Pulling way back in openness, and closing all doors were any lieing con continue or propagate in. This may leave little to talk about, but then again will bring about the truth of the matter form its root.
speaking in Honesty... things are and will be differant always, I ask myself, will it help bringing anything to light. I will not allow myself to be motivated by anger or revenge. walking will be done first. I seek courage in what the Father wishes me to do now as I pray for with you also dear Sopherim. Each of us also have veils within our personal lives that are showing up now with the sword of Christ as the Bible tells it creats the division between dark and light in Men. Those of the world, in the Dark are not alive in sence, for they do not see these things. Only His children that are live in Him see even the death of small spirits within others and feel that pain too. For the Christ is the Gnosis of the Universe and knows all things, for so His Brothers and Sisters will too.
Sopherim seek the Point of Sanctuary of Rest in Him for reflection. This has helped me Years ago as it does now. He loves Us much to laugh again above the cross we carry.
The Mystery of the Crucifiction.
Brother Thomas.......
The many feelings You stated are right on corse with me too Sister Sopherim although I have a few more Like, Pity, Takin, Cutting off Joy, Fading away, and even Hatrid which Brings me back to God and self. This cycle will continue untill I make a choice in myself of where the now must start again in myself with her.
See I moved 700 miles to help her out. Boy I guess a worthy quest ay...Buy realizing that People change themselves if They wish to, and the seed reaches fertile ground to grow within , not a momentary band aid to survive in the flesh.
Sopherim I have come to grips with what I must do and seek a change to happen that only the Father knows the Summary of, but He lets us know each step to that finish as always. Each step we must take in ourselves to facilatate a sort of evolution of Mindset for returning to the Fulness of all concerned but is done by us alone with ourself. Yes this may come to confronting the Lie directly, which will truely alter the paths abruptly.
I right now am Pulling way back in openness, and closing all doors were any lieing con continue or propagate in. This may leave little to talk about, but then again will bring about the truth of the matter form its root.
speaking in Honesty... things are and will be differant always, I ask myself, will it help bringing anything to light. I will not allow myself to be motivated by anger or revenge. walking will be done first. I seek courage in what the Father wishes me to do now as I pray for with you also dear Sopherim. Each of us also have veils within our personal lives that are showing up now with the sword of Christ as the Bible tells it creats the division between dark and light in Men. Those of the world, in the Dark are not alive in sence, for they do not see these things. Only His children that are live in Him see even the death of small spirits within others and feel that pain too. For the Christ is the Gnosis of the Universe and knows all things, for so His Brothers and Sisters will too.
Sopherim seek the Point of Sanctuary of Rest in Him for reflection. This has helped me Years ago as it does now. He loves Us much to laugh again above the cross we carry.
The Mystery of the Crucifiction.
Brother Thomas.......
M't:10:16: Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Re: the "I" factor
by The_Passerby on Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:23 am
sopherim7 wrote:boy, i will tell you the battle feild of the mind can at times overwhelm a soul.i have again gone thru another hurtfull situation
since the end of last week and have been struggiling to win this battle with my enemy,...self.
i have read that albert einstien says crazy is to to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result.
well what about when it comes to a trust issue? i have most certinley forgiven ,but trusting is another thing all together.when you catch some one in lies, what does one do?
one part of self is suspicious,one is gulliable, one is angry one is trusting one is scared and one wants to ignore it all. and one is really confused with all the different opinions. what is the balance? what is right? sometimes logic and right seem to not line up .one cannot do what they feel as feelings fluctuate and are temporary.any advice would be greatley appreciated along with prayers
sopherim
Practical methods.
1) People lie all time -- their world is built off of lies as soon as when they are born into this world. A man in his automaton existence is a habitual liar by a nature in him which has been strengthen over is significant essential self -- not to be confused with the higher self. Man is caught in a web of self deception. So you can't expect a man of this world not to lie, even if you think it is attentional, since everything that a man of a natural man is, would be whatever the world decides in him to be in that time. Parts of the individual does not lie, other parts do and are consumed in identifying. They can not see themselves, and thus everything works against it. Parts of themselves clings to things, and deceive as they are being deceived themselves.
2) Albert Einsteins theory -- Yes it is insane to do the same thing over and over again, expecting different results. However Einstein failed to mention, that this is a mechanical function of a person who is entirely incapable of seeing themselves, doing things, or being original. A man is his own suffering. He walks the same paths everyday experiencing what he does from the same external stimulus moved by laws/Archons of this common ground and he expects somewhere in himself that his day will be different. His day will be different as soon as he truly embraces consciousness -- which a man does not possess automatically -- but is only come by efforts, to truly have Light, as Consciousness is born out agreement within oneself. The paths that a man walks daily, many of which having no choice by virtue of the conditions of their life -- do not have to be a slave to these conditions -- but such can be transformed in the Light and take on a NEW category of experience. A person must connect to themselves -- they must remember themselves. So that they can evolve the impressions of "life" in themselves, and evolve their thinking, feelings and body, moving their ind forward in expansion of the polarities of male and female. By doing so they can work on bringing their organic mind into a unified whole, to the very least bring about a greater function of the faculty of discernment.
3) One has ever right to have trust issues with it comes to a man who is a legion. One truly can't trust themselves -- because they are divided themselves. The balance in this, is consciousness. A person must remember themselves -- they must practice SELF consciousness. How can this one suffer? He has the capacity to connect to the moment -- with the breath and see themselves and the experience. This one has the capacity to understand and see beyond themselves and into a group of perspectives. For what does one gain in clinging with thought to what a person should be as, or how they should act, and etc? How can a man who lives must of his life in sleep actually have in order to do and to be? They can not be -- but you can. How much more of a standard you have then them?
Or simply put as yeshua stated -- "Forgive them Father, they know not what they do."
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Re: the "I" factor
by Admin on Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:07 pm
Does it not all boil down to selfishness (concern over the lower, material, carnal, divided, 'self') - rather than Selfishness (concern over the Highest Spiritual Self)?
Is that not the whole problem?
PLU ~ Bob
Is that not the whole problem?
PLU ~ Bob
Re: the "I" factor
by The_Passerby on Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:29 pm
Admin wrote:Does it not all boil down to selfishness (concern over the lower, material, carnal, divided, 'self') - rather than Selfishness (concern over the Highest Spiritual Self)?
Is that not the whole problem?
PLU ~ Bob
Bob,
The problem, as I see it, is that a man does not know himself in the littlest of senses -- the highest of senses is something very faraway, for it is even difficult for natural man to even see the very little. Because of this disease he can not be for another. As Yeshua stated a man must love his neighbor as themselves and a man must do unto others as he would have them do unto himself. But man in his natural state is incapable of loving his neighbor as himself, because of himself he does not possess -- but he is possessed by everything. To love another as oneself is a quality of wholeness, for if one is no longer divided in himself he as well can not be divided to anyone else and in this is doing - and it is only when we do for others that we can truly BE. If one would have life they must give life -- as we do unto others we do unto ourselves, THIS IS LAW.
A mans selfishness is a function of his legion-personality expressing different wills and the many in him overly identifying, and attaching to its enticement and not being grown up into a well adjusted and faithful pack. Because if there is one truth that a man who thinks another is nothing but this or that bad thing -- know that to someone he may be sharing, rather a part of him may share and be giving. And this is the problem, we judge people by "wholes" not discerning their nature which is at odds against itself. We see a man and say, "Jesus what a selfish man" but this, as it is to me, is not correct. For he is not a man, in the whole sense and for this same reason he can not be a selfish man, as that would consist of him being a whole. He is a selfish man at this moment, because a "person" out of the multitude in him is the head of the estate of his experience by external influences by law. But when this so-called selfish man goes home, he is selfless to his children and wife. When he meets his best buddy, he gives him his cloak and his coat, he walks with him 2 miles when only 1 mile was required - but of some, he gets caught in a twist and becomes something that supports another will, which may not be his ideal or want. Why would a man who does not know himself not be selfish and trapped in his own vices, under the demiurge of his own mind?
The I Factor
by Prism1111 on Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:03 am
Admin wrote:Does it not all boil down to selfishness (concern over the lower, material, carnal, divided, 'self') - rather than Selfishness (concern over the Highest Spiritual Self)?
Is that not the whole problem?
PLU ~ Bob
hay Bob... yes sirry , You have hit it on the nose My brother for the simplistic understanding that must be placed on it, so as to deal with it , in that truth. The level of selfishness is only viewed by we, the recipients, or rather the direct ones involved.
I am comming for myself, to more Gnosis in this, that we are not so much upset with those that are apart of the world of Vanity, more upset with How much we were taken in by it, and the level we have choosen to go before we admit we can not help those that don not wish to be helped and , still don`t see it.
The part that Hurts is the realization that a large percentage of expression of Unity was devoted in this relationship of friendship, to meet a dark agenda of themselves which was prying on the goodness of others in total disrespect of the Light shown to them.
But at least now the Light, dark thing is brought to Light ..LOL in the ones that seek it to act according with a clear heart.
Not in all cases but most this Cycle is repeated over and over due to that, the Person of the light over time removes the one of the dark away from the world and the source they know of effecting a remose in them (crying) as to not knowing what to do now, which they don`t from the Dark Father they have been living from. So more times then most, getting them what they say they need , Money, housing, Earthly needs etc. reattaches them to the world. thus making them content in that structure again. The ones of the Light thinking non materialistic mostly, and expecting the same reaction from them, do not get it, but is shrugged off as things of the heart unto God forgiven. So now the process of sojourning continues on till the full Light or dark arises again.
In summary, One can see that the dark is simple, sumed up by selfishness or the Me. Were the Light is a never ending knowledge of Heart happenings and everything concerning Life.
Its kinda funny Yesterday I posted an article on the Big Picture here, which Parallels ecactly to that. The whole here, is 2 souls and if either one is lacking in fulness, it is naturally filled by the other creating and unbalnce life force without peace.
Simplicity truly is a seed of the father to grow from .. Tanks Bob
Bro Thomas.......
M't:10:16: Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
the heart of the matter
by sopherim7 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:39 am
first of all i love you guys , i love the refuge it is here to post something like this and know that i will recieve truth in love for growth and edification.
this has been so hard for me. but i have come find thru an unexpected paradigm shift in thinking that, all this pain was actually
necessary.that as odd as it sounds and some may even disagree with this but.,,, the very deception that raveged my soul contributed ginormousley to the saving of my heart. it is a really personal matter but i will share a bit.
a person i love greatley decieved me and lied by ommision,betrayed trust and broke my heart. 2 times in 2 months. thru this i was able to realise and experiance wonderfull gnosis about gods great love and protection of me. when thinking about this, it reminded me of the story of joseph ,how he was thrown in the well by his 11 brothers, and lied to jacob about it ,years later that very act is what saved them when joseph was a politician in egypt and had the power to save isreal and take them in to egypt. in the same way it has turned out ,even though truth is essential God already knows when and why we lie and has set things in motion so that our stupidity does not and cannot interfer with his divine order of things. i always choose truth ,i speak it and i demand it as well from others.
i forgive this person but i am also thankfull for what happened even though i could not understand why and it hurt so bad so so bad. but i could not see down the road. this was so out of charecter for this person never ever did i ever guess this person would ever do this to me , it was so unlike them ,in all our years as friends the have never ever lied to me ever . till this one period over 3 months now but it is over{i hope,as trust now has to be rebuilt} and our relationship has had to be streached beyond the boundries, it has gone where it has never been before and it has broken out of the bondage it was in before.it is fresh and new,as the previous relationship was axe murderd by the sharp bludgining of lies.any way what a revelating and heartbreaking experiance.
about selfishness......... BINGO!!!!!!............
THIS ALL OCCURED OUT OF THIS PERSONS SELFISH DESIRE TO DO WHAT THEY WANTED NO MATTER WHO GOT HURT
mutual friends who were unaware were dragged in and hurt trust and betrayel happend by assocation and not choice
just a damn sick sorry stupid mess started by the selfishness of 1 individual
this has been so hard for me. but i have come find thru an unexpected paradigm shift in thinking that, all this pain was actually
necessary.that as odd as it sounds and some may even disagree with this but.,,, the very deception that raveged my soul contributed ginormousley to the saving of my heart. it is a really personal matter but i will share a bit.
a person i love greatley decieved me and lied by ommision,betrayed trust and broke my heart. 2 times in 2 months. thru this i was able to realise and experiance wonderfull gnosis about gods great love and protection of me. when thinking about this, it reminded me of the story of joseph ,how he was thrown in the well by his 11 brothers, and lied to jacob about it ,years later that very act is what saved them when joseph was a politician in egypt and had the power to save isreal and take them in to egypt. in the same way it has turned out ,even though truth is essential God already knows when and why we lie and has set things in motion so that our stupidity does not and cannot interfer with his divine order of things. i always choose truth ,i speak it and i demand it as well from others.
i forgive this person but i am also thankfull for what happened even though i could not understand why and it hurt so bad so so bad. but i could not see down the road. this was so out of charecter for this person never ever did i ever guess this person would ever do this to me , it was so unlike them ,in all our years as friends the have never ever lied to me ever . till this one period over 3 months now but it is over{i hope,as trust now has to be rebuilt} and our relationship has had to be streached beyond the boundries, it has gone where it has never been before and it has broken out of the bondage it was in before.it is fresh and new,as the previous relationship was axe murderd by the sharp bludgining of lies.any way what a revelating and heartbreaking experiance.
about selfishness......... BINGO!!!!!!............
THIS ALL OCCURED OUT OF THIS PERSONS SELFISH DESIRE TO DO WHAT THEY WANTED NO MATTER WHO GOT HURT
mutual friends who were unaware were dragged in and hurt trust and betrayel happend by assocation and not choice
just a damn sick sorry stupid mess started by the selfishness of 1 individual
Col. 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory
Re: the "I" factor
by The_Passerby on Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:49 am
sopherim7 wrote:first of all i love you guys , i love the refuge it is here to post something like this and know that i will recieve truth in love for growth and edification.
this has been so hard for me. but i have come find thru an unexpected paradigm shift in thinking that, all this pain was actually
necessary.that as odd as it sounds and some may even disagree with this but.,,, the very deception that raveged my soul contributed ginormousley to the saving of my heart. it is a really personal matter but i will share a bit.
a person i love greatley decieved me and lied by ommision,betrayed trust and broke my heart. 2 times in 2 months. thru this i was able to realise and experiance wonderfull gnosis about gods great love and protection of me. when thinking about this, it reminded me of the story of joseph ,how he was thrown in the well by his 11 brothers, and lied to jacob about it ,years later that very act is what saved them when joseph was a politician in egypt and had the power to save isreal and take them in to egypt. in the same way it has turned out ,even though truth is essential God already knows when and why we lie and has set things in motion so that our stupidity does not and cannot interfer with his divine order of things. i always choose truth ,i speak it and i demand it as well from others.
i forgive this person but i am also thankfull for what happened even though i could not understand why and it hurt so bad so so bad. but i could not see down the road. this was so out of charecter for this person never ever did i ever guess this person would ever do this to me , it was so unlike them ,in all our years as friends the have never ever lied to me ever . till this one period over 3 months now but it is over{i hope,as trust now has to be rebuilt} and our relationship has had to be streached beyond the boundries, it has gone where it has never been before and it has broken out of the bondage it was in before.it is fresh and new,as the previous relationship was axe murderd by the sharp bludgining of lies.any way what a revelating and heartbreaking experiance.
about selfishness......... BINGO!!!!!!............
THIS ALL OCCURED OUT OF THIS PERSONS SELFISH DESIRE TO DO WHAT THEY WANTED NO MATTER WHO GOT HURT
mutual friends who were unaware were dragged in and hurt trust and betrayel happend by assocation and not choice
just a damn sick sorry stupid mess started by the selfishness of 1 individual
Interesting that you mention that biblical story. Peoples foolishness don't interfere with God's will, because nothing happens outside of God's will. Even the foolishness of man, to the laws, has a purpose and movement which rears up important experiences and causes the manifestation or opportunity of greater progress of oneself. Mans foolishness is used by the laws -- in fact a mans mechanicalness is what it is by reason of their unconsciousness of these very laws moving upon them.
Back to that story though from the bible which correlates to the concept I just mentioned how nothing happens outside of God's Will --
"But as for you, you meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, in order to bring it about as it is this day, to save many people alive" (Gen 50:20 NKJ).
No man can do anything, if they do not possess who they are and order themselves, to be a living doer. They are merely moving through the motions of life happening to them -- to the manner in which these common laws engage them. We cause ourselves unnecessary issues, but this is a quality of our conditions/divisions within, by having certain opinions of these individuals we encounter. Because up to a point we have seen only parts of the individual which correlate to our vibration, to the stimulus which is us or our common interaction with one another.
This person could not possibly do a certain thing, because my experience with this individual has been this or that. But the fact is that a man never truly sees another in their wholeness, they do not even see themselves. This is why seemly good people around certain stimulus live double lives where they are criminals and such -- because man is a divided thing, which is constantly reflecting mechanically what the world of stimulus causes in himself to be, because he does not possess himself but everything possesses his divided nature. While I do not know the story of what your friend did, and I can feel the impressions of you that it has hurt you a great deal, what I can say is that this individual, you must be fair with them. Natural man has no control over himself -- be it body, mind, emotions and what have you. All because under certain stimulus he is one way, does not mean that he is not another given what can entice those natures in him. And this is a very important thing to understand, because in understanding it one can have a greater relationship with others and see their own divisions further. As a person who is striving to walk as Yeshua did, you must acquire empathy. Forgiveness is not just to forgive, but to forgive through feeling, seeing through another. If one was to see how earth-bound in consciousness, organic, and mechanical others are -- seeing their natures which cause them to be slaves against themselves, it would be a shocking reality to truly see and connect with, not merely just to read.
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Heart of the matter
by Prism1111 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:59 am
Sopherim dear one, I would like to express a Happiness to you upon seeing the steps you are taking inward to deal with the earthly emotional relationshipd we all do. Understanding oneself within the refuge of this world and maintaining the sight of the Father Truly is an everlasting and continuous process.
I also Have come to grips in the last 2 days in my own situation, which may I say is a far less involved one, then Yours sounds Sister.
I was reading a dcripture yesterday that was emphasized to me but for what reason I knew not, untill I read your post tonight. I have read many texts concerning this throughout the years but just sort of filed it away,but still knowing it was quite important.
For Christ had told his disciples ; that you put on your garments here, that are much less important then what they are coving, In the Fathers Kingdom the Garments He gives are far greater than those who wear them. Then again in Pistis Sophia Christ when into the Lower realms wearing His New garment recieved by the Father for the Completion of things after the 11 years of teaching were done, and all the Archons, arcAngels, demons and servitors of the sphere abandoned their posts seeing the Light that the Garment was showing and all bowed to worship Me, But then he said, or intruth worship the garment to which I wore from the Father.
So without beating around the bush, which Like Myself putting on a change in my whole self, Like you expressed also in your self first, is just like putting on the Garments of the father that others will see and act according too. The Spirit tells me this; Be wise with the new garment you wear, those that have known you previous in lesser light will start seeing through the Garment due to the fate of the refuge you dwell in. Stay strong in the garment you wear and show it more to the world to see, to make its effects the truth you seek.
I have seen this fate took hold again many times, which took me for a ride again and again. The love of the World vs the father sometimes is a very thin line indeed.
Much Joy to you Sopherim , You wear it well dear Sister...
May God be with us in our wardrobe ayyy?
Brother Thomas.............
I also Have come to grips in the last 2 days in my own situation, which may I say is a far less involved one, then Yours sounds Sister.
I was reading a dcripture yesterday that was emphasized to me but for what reason I knew not, untill I read your post tonight. I have read many texts concerning this throughout the years but just sort of filed it away,but still knowing it was quite important.
For Christ had told his disciples ; that you put on your garments here, that are much less important then what they are coving, In the Fathers Kingdom the Garments He gives are far greater than those who wear them. Then again in Pistis Sophia Christ when into the Lower realms wearing His New garment recieved by the Father for the Completion of things after the 11 years of teaching were done, and all the Archons, arcAngels, demons and servitors of the sphere abandoned their posts seeing the Light that the Garment was showing and all bowed to worship Me, But then he said, or intruth worship the garment to which I wore from the Father.
So without beating around the bush, which Like Myself putting on a change in my whole self, Like you expressed also in your self first, is just like putting on the Garments of the father that others will see and act according too. The Spirit tells me this; Be wise with the new garment you wear, those that have known you previous in lesser light will start seeing through the Garment due to the fate of the refuge you dwell in. Stay strong in the garment you wear and show it more to the world to see, to make its effects the truth you seek.
I have seen this fate took hold again many times, which took me for a ride again and again. The love of the World vs the father sometimes is a very thin line indeed.
Much Joy to you Sopherim , You wear it well dear Sister...
May God be with us in our wardrobe ayyy?
Brother Thomas.............
M't:10:16: Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
a jewel has many faces
by sopherim7 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:13 pm
i am starting to see instead of the fractured i , a precious jewel,one that is not cloudy.it has many sides,some sides sparkle,and some dont. but irregardless a jewel none the less.
prisim,your love and warmth touches me deep in my spirit soul and body ,it gifts me and blesses me with tremendios comfort and the very GRACE of GOD has reached me thru your words.i believe we are kindred spirits with deep connections and am so thankfull i have found you here my eternal brother, your wisdom and insight is mighty indeed,but the compassion you have is the greatest of pearls ,it is so hard to be soft and loving as it always keeps you vonerable to pain ,like the bleeding heart of Christ .
passerby, we have discussed the "i" issue , before i was aware of what was going on ,in fact the discussion started about the same time as the deception did. and to reflect back and see how GOD used you to prepare and teach me brings me to my knees in gratitude to OUR GREAT GOD WHO LOVES US SO SO MUCH, as he used you for this purpose in my life.
i am humbled by GODS mercy to me thru this whole thing.
it is so amazing how he gives us the classroom time and then the clinical time to see if we learned what was just taught to us,not just learn but did we take it in,was it digested and internalized into our way of being.
i have truley forgiven this person truly.it does not take away the pain ,it does not automatically put trust back in to place
and it still causes war within me.i must trust GOD in this as he knows the plans he has for me. that battle of who is in control which i is deciding how i feel how i act.
fear ... fear sucks it has so much power and influence in our behavior. the me that is in fear is really causing a disturbance
it at time is a demon possession that i cannot exercise from my spirit and bind it from me.fear distorts truth and stains all we see and do. this fear is however is justifiable, it also is a protection mechanism . but it hurts it makes me sick ,i cannot let go of the what if it causes and then bam i am on a scary nauseating rollercoster ride of thoughts feelings emotions and the like . it is so right not to trust this person ,but at the same time it is so necessary for our relationship. this person is doing everything to show me they are sincere, they are comforting,loving and as far as i can discern being honest. they understand my fear and in ability to trust and vow to build it again . but this fear comes over me in waves,and i do not know what to do about it.
sopherim
prisim,your love and warmth touches me deep in my spirit soul and body ,it gifts me and blesses me with tremendios comfort and the very GRACE of GOD has reached me thru your words.i believe we are kindred spirits with deep connections and am so thankfull i have found you here my eternal brother, your wisdom and insight is mighty indeed,but the compassion you have is the greatest of pearls ,it is so hard to be soft and loving as it always keeps you vonerable to pain ,like the bleeding heart of Christ .
passerby, we have discussed the "i" issue , before i was aware of what was going on ,in fact the discussion started about the same time as the deception did. and to reflect back and see how GOD used you to prepare and teach me brings me to my knees in gratitude to OUR GREAT GOD WHO LOVES US SO SO MUCH, as he used you for this purpose in my life.
i am humbled by GODS mercy to me thru this whole thing. it is so amazing how he gives us the classroom time and then the clinical time to see if we learned what was just taught to us,not just learn but did we take it in,was it digested and internalized into our way of being.
i have truley forgiven this person truly.it does not take away the pain ,it does not automatically put trust back in to place
and it still causes war within me.i must trust GOD in this as he knows the plans he has for me. that battle of who is in control which i is deciding how i feel how i act.
fear ... fear sucks it has so much power and influence in our behavior. the me that is in fear is really causing a disturbance
it at time is a demon possession that i cannot exercise from my spirit and bind it from me.fear distorts truth and stains all we see and do. this fear is however is justifiable, it also is a protection mechanism . but it hurts it makes me sick ,i cannot let go of the what if it causes and then bam i am on a scary nauseating rollercoster ride of thoughts feelings emotions and the like . it is so right not to trust this person ,but at the same time it is so necessary for our relationship. this person is doing everything to show me they are sincere, they are comforting,loving and as far as i can discern being honest. they understand my fear and in ability to trust and vow to build it again . but this fear comes over me in waves,and i do not know what to do about it.
sopherimCol. 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory
the "i " facotor part deux
by sopherim7 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:32 am
well, i got a real shocker today! my x husband and i talked today for 67 minutes about GOD the spirit and the times we live in.
to update those who dont know please read my first few posts from march. he was a satainst, until 2007. as we ta;ked about things ,one thing led to another... and soon he was talking to me like i was his counseler. he was talking about how he does not know who he is and he is 37 years old, he recognised that he acts how he thinks the people around him expect him to act. he does not know who the real "me"{him} is . WOW what an open door , passerby you would have been so ticlked. i thought of you as i spoke, i drew upon what you have taught me ,and fedd him that manna.i talked about how we are fractured ... oh there is just so much . i am so happy and blessed that because of what i have learned here ,i have grown ,and become more of who i am ,i have learned to define my self and am continuing to learn to be consistant with that information.ll of this i was able to share with him , he was like a hungary child ,needing to hear more. i cannot wait i feel he is on the edge of something big , if he awakens this will be a huge answer to prayer, this will be so good not only for him and how it will benifit and fulfill him and his emptyness but the biggest benifactors of his gnosis will be our beautiful children,p please pray or what ever when you speak to GOD that he will seek after him with his whole self ,heart mind boddy soul spirit
thankyou
sopherim
to update those who dont know please read my first few posts from march. he was a satainst, until 2007. as we ta;ked about things ,one thing led to another... and soon he was talking to me like i was his counseler. he was talking about how he does not know who he is and he is 37 years old, he recognised that he acts how he thinks the people around him expect him to act. he does not know who the real "me"{him} is . WOW what an open door , passerby you would have been so ticlked. i thought of you as i spoke, i drew upon what you have taught me ,and fedd him that manna.i talked about how we are fractured ... oh there is just so much . i am so happy and blessed that because of what i have learned here ,i have grown ,and become more of who i am ,i have learned to define my self and am continuing to learn to be consistant with that information.ll of this i was able to share with him , he was like a hungary child ,needing to hear more. i cannot wait i feel he is on the edge of something big , if he awakens this will be a huge answer to prayer, this will be so good not only for him and how it will benifit and fulfill him and his emptyness but the biggest benifactors of his gnosis will be our beautiful children,p please pray or what ever when you speak to GOD that he will seek after him with his whole self ,heart mind boddy soul spirit
thankyou
sopherimCol. 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory
The I factor
by Prism1111 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:40 am
sopherim7 wrote:well, i got a real shocker today! my x husband and i talked today for 67 minutes about GOD the spirit and the times we live in.
to update those who dont know please read my first few posts from march. he was a satainst, until 2007. as we ta;ked about things ,one thing led to another... and soon he was talking to me like i was his counseler. he was talking about how he does not know who he is and he is 37 years old, he recognised that he acts how he thinks the people around him expect him to act. he does not know who the real "me"{him} is . WOW what an open door , passerby you would have been so ticlked. i thought of you as i spoke, i drew upon what you have taught me ,and fedd him that manna.i talked about how we are fractured ... oh there is just so much . i am so happy and blessed that because of what i have learned here ,i have grown ,and become more of who i am ,i have learned to define my self and am continuing to learn to be consistant with that information.ll of this i was able to share with him , he was like a hungary child ,needing to hear more. i cannot wait i feel he is on the edge of something big , if he awakens this will be a huge answer to prayer, this will be so good not only for him and how it will benifit and fulfill him and his emptyness but the biggest benifactors of his gnosis will be our beautiful children,p please pray or what ever when you speak to GOD that he will seek after him with his whole self ,heart mind boddy soul spirit
thankyou
Dear Sister Sopherim, I too have been reevaluating a gone bad relationship of Illusion, as I mentioned ago in a Post. I in myself have High expectations that others can achieve beyound that which they see for themselves, some pan out some don`t, and as I have found some realy don`t. One of the reasons I moved down here was to look after someone I always loved for the last 16 years together with her Children that I have good Godly relationdhips in. The Love for her was a one way ticket on my part I have since learned and God wished me to see the truth of this, so if possible I could help from that point forward and no other. It was my chioce still with the Father of intentions so what is differant I tell myself, I only now have to alter the ways of this help as appropriate, with no illusions. If the the relationship breaks comepletely because of the Dark things dealing in it, then so it shall be within the Father only.
This is the senerio that has opened my heart also to your situation in Brother/Sisterhood Sopherim , so if I may give you a Honest Neutral viewpoint from reading your last two post it would please me to do this for you. In your first post you were talking of waves of emotional upsets you had to endure due to no definative status in the situation, and new not a way of Strength in the whole of it. May I say feeling more of under the situation then over it. Now in your second post talking with your ex, You found the fruits of your labor in Christ to the Father Majestically placed You at a point of veiw far above the situation , or rather one in very much control from the sound of you exhuberance in explaining the same. So for the same point in time that you are and we all are You are experiancing two complete opposites of Life. Like standing on a ladder of life , one looking up, the other smilling looking down.
I have been there many times and what wisdom has taught me was, to not take things of the world to find God in yourself, even if the things have attached another, if another in the world has attached to God, you should be happy for them and take the Spirit on to yourself for that which is yours, leave to them to continue that which is theirs, thus remaining with the Father within in both cases.
As The disciples were in the Boat and a Storm was brewing they awoke Christ and he said; Why do you fear, didn`t you know the Lord was with you ..... to calm the waters and steer the ship through the roughest seas.
I do know that its easy to see with words and the doing is alittle rougher but still true Dear Sopherim.
Many blessing and strength to you, and may we have rest in Christ
Brother Thomas.......
M't:10:16: Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
back to the first i
by sopherim7 on Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:35 pm
well this has been a rollercoaster for me, it does not stop to unload and reload passengers, i have been on it now for three months, theweeks from june 14 to today have been especially sickining. little things keep finding there way to the surface,and there have been little kinks that totally shatter any progress. trust keeps being set back to the beggining . my friend is being honest and supportive but a third party persistant interruptions cause such distress, my friend insists i should not fear,and on several occasions has asked this person to stay out of things ,but every 2 weeks the snake rears its ugly head.i feel it is time to confront this person myself , because i need to move on , i have chosen to trust and believe the friend i have always known and loved, and i know for a fact i am being told the truth about what is goin on .every time i feel i am on the road to healing ,this 3rd party slashes me open again , and i need to stop the violence with peace love and understanding thru conversation with this 3rd party , even though ego driven stephanie wants to open up a huge can of woop ass , i have put her in the submission of christ and thats where she is stayin,she will only complicate and not solve things
sopherim
sopherimCol. 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory
back to the first
by Prism1111 on Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:40 am
sopherim7 wrote:well this has been a rollercoaster for me, it does not stop to unload and reload passengers, i have been on it now for three months, theweeks from june 14 to today have been especially sickining. little things keep finding there way to the surface,and there have been little kinks that totally shatter any progress. trust keeps being set back to the beggining . my friend is being honest and supportive but a third party persistant interruptions cause such distress, my friend insists i should not fear,and on several occasions has asked this person to stay out of things ,but every 2 weeks the snake rears its ugly head.i feel it is time to confront this person myself , because i need to move on , i have chosen to trust and believe the friend i have always known and loved, and i know for a fact i am being told the truth about what is goin on .every time i feel i am on the road to healing ,this 3rd party slashes me open again , and i need to stop the violence with peace love and understanding thru conversation with this 3rd party , even though ego driven stephanie wants to open up a huge can of woop ass , i have put her in the submission of christ and thats where she is stayin,she will only complicate and not solve things
Stephanie, You seem a little like I, where meetings are easy but departures are will not sought after. May I say also Jesus had a little case of the whoops ass in that Church ayy. I also have had to fight fire with fire so to speak if it comes down to that.
Some things I have learned throughout life has been rough in the doing initially, but when the serpent is apeased by one, the serpent is working to create a stronghold in that spot, and the works needed will become greater to break free or tread underfoot.
I understand the feeling one sees also in intuition of the event, haveing to become Happy again after seemingly being boisterous and demanding. That step was not taken yet for your forsights are a pleasent illusion of emotions which I have had many times and understand them now.
Here is a question I will ask you dear one, Would God Rather see You not be mad at all, but fade away in your salt of the earth (intense Spiritual drive) that You stand as a reminder and a help for so many others that is on the Vine with you?
Christ has said That I did not come to bring Peace but a division into the world, the hearts of men, that is the light from the Dark with a sword of truth. If that isn`t whoop ass I don`t know what is.......
Stephanie my Love and strength is with you Sister
Thomas..........
M't:10:16: Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
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