Image of Blue Illuminated Light and of my Twin

Shalama and Peace Seekers of the Light and of the Truth

I wanted to share my personal experince with you kind people on the Gnostic Way.

When I was 11 I had an amazing experience. Firstly when I went to sleep the room was pitch black and when I woke up it was pitch black. There was no light in the room and no light came into the room, as it was a dark, quite room. During the night I woken up after seeing a blue image in the bottom of my eyes. I sat up and looked at it about 5 seconds, and I looked into its eyes and its form.

It was made of blue illuminated light, which made its form clearly visible. It took a form of a man, and is about the same height as I am. Eventually I cannot remember if it started to move towards me or remained still. I do remember wanting to go back to sleep, so I fell back unto my bed. After a few more seconds it was gone, and I was disapointed because I wanted to go back to sleep rather then see its form closer up.

I fealt both amazement and fear. Really I had a mixture of these feelings at the time. I was only 11 and was scared. And now I believe that it meant me no harm and cause me to be as I am. I believe that it was a good form and so much like myself. Tears start pouring when I think of this moment, the most difficult to explain experience of my whole life. I am stuck with its image now, and it must be my twin if I have been attached to it all this time. It was like a light in a region of darkness.

What do you think of my experience?

Kindest Regards and Warmest Affections

Andre

Tonight, my online pastor and I were wondering if colors correspond to the meaning Swedenborg gives with non-Swedenborgian mystics in their dreams and visions. After looking a few things up, here's an interpretation. It's an experiment to see if these symbols are universal with mystics and I'll try to take it a little beyond just the color blue.

o The color blue means 'celestial love of truth'
o I define the man as the Lord or heaven (heaven is seen as a 'Grand Man') and the light emanating from Him, truth.
o Swedenborg defines infancy to age 12 childhood. 12 to early 20s adolescence. There is a growth process of the rational mind that around age 12, a threshold is crossed and we begin temptations afterwards.
o The memories implanted in childhood are called remains and serve later during regeneration when spiritual maturity begins.

In my expression of it, I believe your powerful vision was an amazing marker for the end of the age of innocence. I believe the reason you consider him or Him your twin is that your share God's consciousness. I find that tears of a memory are affections from angels.

Again, I've never tried this outside my faith and have only started recently to see if it fits there. Please feel free to disregard it.


Blessings,
Dave

Manichaean Seek wrote:Shalama and Peace Seekers of the Light and of the Truth

I wanted to share my personal experince with you kind people on the Gnostic Way.

When I was 11 I had an amazing experience. Firstly when I went to sleep the room was pitch black and when I woke up it was pitch black. There was no light in the room and no light came into the room, as it was a dark, quite room. During the night I woken up after seeing a blue image in the bottom of my eyes. I sat up and looked at it about 5 seconds, and I looked into its eyes and its form.

It was made of blue illuminated light, which made its form clearly visible. It took a form of a man, and is about the same height as I am. Eventually I cannot remember if it started to move towards me or remained still. I do remember wanting to go back to sleep, so I fell back unto my bed. After a few more seconds it was gone, and I was disapointed because I wanted to go back to sleep rather then see its form closer up.

I fealt both amazement and fear. Really I had a mixture of these feelings at the time. I was only 11 and was scared. And now I believe that it meant me no harm and cause me to be as I am. I believe that it was a good form and so much like myself. Tears start pouring when I think of this moment, the most difficult to explain experience of my whole life. I am stuck with its image now, and it must be my twin if I have been attached to it all this time. It was like a light in a region of darkness.

What do you think of my experience?

Kindest Regards and Warmest Affections

Andre

Hi Andre

I will not comment on your experiences, as they are very personal to you, and outside my range of experience. I have never personally seen any 'humanoid' shapes or apparitions in my visions.

However, I would say that my experiences of the Spirit have never required any 'confirmation' from external sources - their 'fruits' are all I need to know that they are true.

Hope you understand.

PLU ~ Bob

Hey Dave, I have had many "appearances" simular to what you describe. I too have looked for answers from others...but came to the conclusion that all visions, mystical and spiritual experiences are for oneself. I think it was important for me to see what they meant for me, more than to hear what they may have meant for others...even though there is no judgment on asking.

I enjoy hearing about your experiences...so please do continue to share : )

MysticQuest wrote:Tonight, my online pastor and I were wondering if colors correspond to the meaning Swedenborg gives with non-Swedenborgian mystics in their dreams and visions. After looking a few things up, here's an interpretation. It's an experiment to see if these symbols are universal with mystics and I'll try to take it a little beyond just the color blue.

o The color blue means 'celestial love of truth'
o I define the man as the Lord or heaven (heaven is seen as a 'Grand Man') and the light emanating from Him, truth.
o Swedenborg defines infancy to age 12 childhood. 12 to early 20s adolescence. There is a growth process of the rational mind that around age 12, a threshold is crossed and we begin temptations afterwards.
o The memories implanted in childhood are called remains and serve later during regeneration when spiritual maturity begins.

In my expression of it, I believe your powerful vision was an amazing marker for the end of the age of innocence. I believe the reason you consider him or Him your twin is that your share God's consciousness. I find that tears of a memory are affections from angels.

Again, I've never tried this outside my faith and have only started recently to see if it fits there. Please feel free to disregard it.

Blessings,
Dave

Shalama MysticQuest,

Thank you for your responce. I am still held in swey at the experience. The tears surely are affections.

Andre

Hi Andre

I will not comment on your experiences, as they are very personal to you, and outside my range of experience. I have never personally seen any 'humanoid' shapes or apparitions in my visions.

However, I would say that my experiences of the Spirit have never required any 'confirmation' from external sources - their 'fruits' are all I need to know that they are true.

Hope you understand.

PLU ~ Bob

Shalama Bob,

I agree. It is 'tiny' revelation for me.

Andre

Vivamis123 wrote:Hey Dave, I have had many "appearances" simular to what you describe. I too have looked for answers from others...but came to the conclusion that all visions, mystical and spiritual experiences are for oneself. I think it was important for me to see what they meant for me, more than to hear what they may have meant for others...even though there is no judgment on asking.

I enjoy hearing about your experiences...so please do continue to share : )

Shalama Vivamis123,

The problem with me is that I have a hard time understanding them.

Andre

hello Andre


how are you doin? this is my feeling on your experience . when we are children i believe the veil between the seen and unseen
is not as dense as when we are adults.i also think that that was not your first experience seeing the unsee able, it is just that you were on the crux of transition ,entering puberty and some one said above ,the end of innocence ,i would call it more like a transition. also we accept and believe things more readily as children.this ability in most people goes away ...for some it returns
when you are an adult. for me i was 24 when i started to think it was happening again and 27 when i knew for sure.
i know i see what i see and i still dont know exactly what it is . what i do is pray about it i ask GOD is there something you want to show me? help me to see what it is you would have me to see. i also believe it is a type of gnosis experiance ,teaching you perception and awarness. i can so relate to your feelings ... that is how i feel too still.i also remember that every angel experience ever recorded the first words the angel always says is do not be afraid.even Jesus, when he walked on water out to the boat .. his disciples thought he was a ghost and jesus said do not be afraid..i hope this helps you

sopherim

sopherim7 wrote:hello Andre


how are you doin? this is my feeling on your experience . when we are children i believe the veil between the seen and unseen
is not as dense as when we are adults.i also think that that was not your first experience seeing the unsee able, it is just that you were on the crux of transition ,entering puberty and some one said above ,the end of innocence ,i would call it more like a transition. also we accept and believe things more readily as children.this ability in most people goes away ...for some it returns
when you are an adult. for me i was 24 when i started to think it was happening again and 27 when i knew for sure.
i know i see what i see and i still dont know exactly what it is . what i do is pray about it i ask GOD is there something you want to show me? help me to see what it is you would have me to see. i also believe it is a type of gnosis experiance ,teaching you perception and awarness. i can so relate to your feelings ... that is how i feel too still.i also remember that every angel experience ever recorded the first words the angel always says is do not be afraid.even Jesus, when he walked on water out to the boat .. his disciples thought he was a ghost and jesus said do not be afraid..i hope this helps you

sopherim

Shalama Sopherim,

I heard nothing when it happened. There was no speech, only slow movement. But I think I can hear without hearing sounds.


KIndest Regards and Warmest Affections

i understand what you say about hearing, not with your ears it is more like clairaudiance or mabey a form of telepathy.
have you had any visions since then?
i also am wondering if anything traumatic happened before or after you had that vision?


sopherim

Warmest greetings Andre!
I would say it could be two things. Neither of them are in your poll, so I did not participate.

1. Could be your soul mate (the actual spliting of male/female aspects of you durring creation). The soul mate in aspect is exactly like you except for either more of a male or female personna (this is the same as the Father/Mother aspect of God being self begotten at the beginning). The subtleness is only recognized in our true state of being.

2. We can bi-locate ourselves in any plane of existance. (some do not because of the 'nature of understanding' it is too dificult for them, hence the school of hard knocks). With the bi-location of ourselves, I understand that we can keep part of our spirit in the 'common' plane of being while the other part incarnates here. We encounter this when we look within ourselves and see that part and unite again.

I would have to say that because you were in a raw state of being, that you would be able to tell the subtle difference between you and a soul mate.. if this is so, then it would appear to be the first. If you do not sense the subtle difference between you and the other, then it is the second. Given what I have read from you and know of you through such, that I would choose the second if both were in a poll. ( I am confident that you can bi-locate in our true state of being).
I hope this helps
Peace and Harmony through Unconditional LOVE!
Doug

Sorry Andre, I addressed you as Dave...but you caught it : ) Sorry Dave...hope I did not confuse you with my post addressed to you.

Andre,
To interpret Visions is not an easy task...I have missed many times. In those times I tried to understand with my mind. I tried to connect things I already knew in terms of knowledge and memory. Big mistake! LOL At least for me. Learn to interpret with your heart....it does not have to make sense....look for a deeper meaning. From my expereince the question and answer arrise at the same time.

sopherim7 wrote:i understand what you say about hearing, not with your ears it is more like clairaudiance or mabey a form of telepathy.
have you had any visions since then?
i also am wondering if anything traumatic happened before or after you had that vision?


sopherim

Shalama and Blessings Sopherim,

I think that it is really the case of being able to quickly percieve things rather then being able to telepathy. It is the same as just-knowing or coming to be aware of something. It is like being instructed by an instructor who you cannot actually see, like the duck who is a better swimmer then hes intructor.

No, not had an visions. And nothing traumatic happened. Before that and after that there was the tension between my parents who separated and the dueling occured before and after the vision. But the vision did not cause any change to my parents failed relationship. I think that the one vision that I ever had was for me only to see, to listen and understand. Despite what as happening I was the same person.

Andre

gnostic warrior wrote:Warmest greetings Andre!
I would say it could be two things. Neither of them are in your poll, so I did not participate.

1. Could be your soul mate (the actual spliting of male/female aspects of you durring creation). The soul mate in aspect is exactly like you except for either more of a male or female personna (this is the same as the Father/Mother aspect of God being self begotten at the beginning). The subtleness is only recognized in our true state of being.

2. We can bi-locate ourselves in any plane of existance. (some do not because of the 'nature of understanding' it is too dificult for them, hence the school of hard knocks). With the bi-location of ourselves, I understand that we can keep part of our spirit in the 'common' plane of being while the other part incarnates here. We encounter this when we look within ourselves and see that part and unite again.

I would have to say that because you were in a raw state of being, that you would be able to tell the subtle difference between you and a soul mate.. if this is so, then it would appear to be the first. If you do not sense the subtle difference between you and the other, then it is the second. Given what I have read from you and know of you through such, that I would choose the second if both were in a poll. ( I am confident that you can bi-locate in our true state of being).
I hope this helps
Peace and Harmony through Unconditional LOVE!
Doug

Shalama and Blessings Gnostic Warrior, aka Doug

Nice responce. I would say the second point.

Andre

Vivamis123 wrote:Sorry Andre, I addressed you as Dave...but you caught it : ) Sorry Dave...hope I did not confuse you with my post addressed to you.

Andre,
To interpret Visions is not an easy task...I have missed many times. In those times I tried to understand with my mind. I tried to connect things I already knew in terms of knowledge and memory. Big mistake! LOL At least for me. Learn to interpret with your heart....it does not have to make sense....look for a deeper meaning. From my expereince the question and answer arrise at the same time.

Shalama Vivamis,

I am always looking for the deeper meanings in a lot of things.

Andre