Badness

Badness is a word with wide ranging discriptions , understandings, points of views, seen from diferent realms has diferent difinitions, and understandings and feelings also.

I am not trying to beat around the bush here as most Senetors do .. lol ok i sorry... But if we take one aspect as theeter was projecting like suffering. Suffering maybe a result of our own badness as in the rejection of truth unto ourselves thus choosing the world and not the kingdom. Of course their will be suffering, hence the Father and maker of it, Satan is all about. This I say in an extreme polarity for understanding the highest and the lowest fegrees so as we can fill our own situation into something in between.
I will attenpt here to bring in a new concept into the understanding of Kingdom of Lights that I think few have actually seen, although we all a subjected to it in silence as we learn.
The key here is steps we take and believe in. Repeated steps to achieve the divine feeling of new Gnosis with God is impossible. By remembering what we have learned already will just bring us to the remembered feeling we felt when we first learned it in Him a time ago. Now this can be and is blessed in cintinuing our journey from were we left off then, but the Feeling of the new knowledge with God must be as it was when we sought Him before, and that is from a new Higher point then that we were.
Christ explains to the disciples in Pistis Sophia; They ask him if a soul recieves a Mystery and then backslides from it, but later turns again from the world to be true to the Mysteries, should we give Him that Mystery again? Christ tells them No because the power in that same Mistery is already Known by the soul when it attained it with the father the first time. But You shall give them a Higher mystery so as to keep them from back sliding in the new Higher glory they seek, if it is without play acting.
Another earthly example I have felt in comparisen was this; 5 years ago I built an addition on my House, that was testing My ability of Load carry structual design and raw physical completion of it. With the grace of God in me it was completed in full, and I was very please with having achieved it overcoming some fears in myself while doing it.
As the days and months after moved on, I looked back on the project with a feeling of pride the help me in my daily dealings also, then years, last year I looked again at it and the fresh glow was gown, I tried remembering all I had did on it even to gain the great feeling I had for the last few years.
But i was more like a memeory now, with good thoughts none the less, but not so power in the now as it was. Thats when the Spirit in me Kinda said well Tom after 4 years dont you think its about time for something new, stop living in the past for the Now.
I have always told my boys; A dumb man is He who does the same thing over and over exspecting diferent results. so do dierent things for diferent results.
We all should watching our own Spiritual evolution that always seeks the fulness in Him.

This is one reason why I am moving to South Carolina, folding up my Bussiness. leaving family here and most all I own earthly for this Spiritual newness that must be taken in me.

If newness doesnt come to you, you must go to the newness, or the diference.

May the Fathers Grace bein the courage of our souls to achieve His will

Brother Thomas

If newness doesnt come to you, you must go to the newness, or the diference.

Once again Prism, you've manifested wisdom that applies to me. I needed some sorta spiritual affirmation that leaving the town i'm in isn't simply running away from problems, but is a way for me to get to know God further. Thank you for manifesting the Holy Ghost.(again!)

Prism1111: "Suffering maybe a result of our own badness as in the rejection of truth unto ourselves thus choosing the world and not the kingdom."

What about those who have not rejected truth, like the starving in third world countries, who have not had the true opportunity to find "truth"? (In your opinion)

Prism1111: "Of course their will be suffering, hence the Father and maker of it, Satan is all about."

And who created Satan? I would think that creator would be the true maker of suffering. Maybe they where ignorant and didn't know what they were doing or maybe there is a better explination.

There is one thing that can't be denied Everything&Nothing-God is Good. This is True, there is no doubt about it. The Proof is your Desire for Good, for you were created by Good you came from Good and wish to go back to the Kingdom of Good.

I'm gonna quote a passage from A Course in Miracles:"Nothing Real can be threatened;Nothing Unreal exists; Herein lies the Peace of God"

In the Pistis Sophia, Jesus Christ says that those who are unrepentant of the evil they've commited(those that desire Bad), there destiny is in the Outer Darkness of non-existence. As, in Truth, there is no past or future, I believe they do not even exist Now.

Theeter, You are kind indeed my friend, May our search manifest in a happiness of Difference within us, of and for the Father.

everything&nothing... I was keeping within the context of Badness in that it "May" be one of the things a soul goes through as a result of it, there are indeed many things that come from badness other than suffering.
with that said the poor in other lands that are suffering as children and the like, I wouldnt connect badness to them at all as indiviual outcome of their trials and way they live although I no not know each way of their lives either. A wide ranging group insight on this would probably be the badness or neglect by thier leaders to care rightly for them, thus a repression to them is not marked upon their soul for others sins. The Lord himself did not a thing wrong but suffer greatly also ayy?

Also If you have read some of Christ gnostic scriptures which will enlighten us to the reason why he was created (Satan), one will see he was created out of selfishness not including the father acceptance. The entity that performed this deficincy repented to the Father for doing so where the Fathers plan to correct this defieciency, is why we live today in the mixure to raise above such foolishness to gain our own inheritance and oneness with Him in so doing.
Knowledge in these specifics of the creation of Heaven and the imovable race is truly important so as truths do not get intertwined to make no matter of.
Heres a point to ponder. If there is Bad and good within each of us, and Good is only the Father then we know more then Him? LOL Not hardly . We must truely see within ourselves the glimpse of How Huge and all incompassing the Father truly is My friends. If anyone can say they can take him or leave Him in their Hearts, then they do not know yet, his being.

Also the Good news here is that the More You know the Father the more You know yourself, in that direct order.

Choose the queen of Hearts its always your best bet ....."The Eagles"

Brother Thomas

Prism1111... Well the badness of leaders may cause those people suffering, though this is quite unfair and tormenting, even if meant to serve good purpose. Choice is rather faint in some situations and these are not all anointed subjects. That's a good point you bring up about the lord himself, who did no wrong, suffering greatly, though there is a big difference between an enlightened soul choosing to suffer and an unenlightened soul being forced into starvation, with no choice.

I have read a Gnostic Gospel which explained how "the evil one" came about. Not referred to as Satan though, he appears to be this creature. Anyhow, I’m pretty sure suffering still is an outgrowth of the original creator. That creator, who is all knowing knew what Satan brought, therefore knew it had spawned evil into the universe. As far as good and bad being in our hearts is concerned, I agree, but I don’t believe in original sin. The propensity to do good and evil is within us, and I don't assume that "the Father" (who I preferably call the Eternal One since the term "father' designates gender and the Eternal one is the unity of Mother and Father) is good or bad. The concept of good and evil I feel is largely a human creation, and is in actuality one thing that we interpret based on its effect on us. The terms can't explain what's going on cause the logic is beyond the inborn ability of mankind. Is suffering good or bad? I'm not sure it's either. The universe itself seems rather indifferent.

The appearance of good, comes from the fact that existence even is. We do exist, though bad seems to be what comes immediately afterwards, with knowledge (“tree of knowledge”). So much confusion, pain and suffering with no clear cause, making us like children, left without a mother to suckle. Know what I mean? Anyhow thanks for the feedback, I like hearing opinions so keep feeding me if you have anymore. Oh and nice Eagles quote (haha)

What is bad is limited, badness is Limit, mainly limit imposed on Love. Love and Goodness is ever-expanding, eternal. So, bad is temporary, that being its nature, inconstancy. Love and Good is Eternal,Eternity is Love and Goodness. By its Nature. Because that is what it is. According to Kaballah, God contracted Himself, limited Himself. Why? Presumably, so there could be an Other for Him to Give to. For that is what Love does. It Gives, Ever Increasing. When we've recognized there is No Limit to us, we can accept ever-increasing Love. Forever.


May Sophia Unite With Our Souls.
Amen.

Sounds good theeternaliam. I feel a step closer to understanding and an ounce lighter.

I comend our Spirits here in Holding onto a sense of unity within our posts for such a broad ranging subject my friends indeed. I thought much upon a common or rather understanding truth about this, and this is what came to me;
The word "badness" is a Mortal word which denotes Judgement upon another or situation from a particular point of view which is of the world. there can and will be a million points of veiw on any subject as we see men are debating this daily. Please donot misunderstand me, I do know Many take great pains to care and love and search there souls to abide in a opinion on things for themselves or moreso for others which is Truely Good to do as a process is concerned to teach of the laws of this world to children and others.
In the celestrial realm of the Father words such as bad or even evil is not used at all, Darkness and Light are the only extremes to understand the positions and doings of all things. Respect is even givin to the Rullers and achons in as much as for the positions and powers that are associated with them. These powers are only with them due to the allowance of the ineffable Father to fullfil His logos, of proper correction of the deficiency that is the very reason they came about in the first place. In Christ Scriptures He talks of those souls the attain Mysteries within the Father, that when they come out of the Body, they shall give an applogy to each Ruller before continuing to the Virgin of lights and the light Kingdom. This appology is for spending time and living within their God given realm by us(Mystery Holders) that say we have attained the Father and no chastisements are due to me for all My sins have been washed by the father prior. With the Fathers Mysteries in a soul they would rather you go by quickly anyway.

I Pray I was a little understandable to you all explaining Christ words to the Disciples in the meaning of this. Now You can see how Broad ranging and earthly that word can take souls in discushions.
There also was a Parable of Jesus that stated in those days(end days) many will find were Bad is Good, and Good is bad.

One soul can have two different points of view in life of an alotted time spand. Small example When we were children Homework was interfering with our playtime and friends, and so no need for it, in fact some looked to the parents as making them do something bad LOL.. now as Parents our views of changed Hey now we don`t have any home work.... Just Kids LOL

Seek the Light of the Father deligently the realms of knowledge and Love will be yours truly.

Brother Thomas

Lol, yeah I feel you. that's sort of how I see it.

theeternaliam wrote:

If newness doesnt come to you, you must go to the newness, or the diference.

Once again Prism, you've manifested wisdom that applies to me. I needed some sorta spiritual affirmation that leaving the town i'm in isn't simply running away from problems, but is a way for me to get to know God further. Thank you for manifesting the Holy Ghost.(again!)

All of our problems are within us. Where could we run to to get away from ourselves. Everything we experience and this includes people, is within us, nothng is external to ourselves. All is an activity of our own consciousness. Our problems stem from a belief
in two powers (God and not God) but in truth, there is only one power, God is omnipresent. We live, breath, and have our being in
him.




peace

angelfire wrote:All of our problems are within us. Where could we run to to get away from ourselves. Everything we experience and this includes people, is within us, nothng is external to ourselves. All is an activity of our own consciousness. Our problems stem from a belief in two powers (God and not God) but in truth, there is only one power, God is omnipresent. We live, breath, and have our being in
him.

Yes, I agree, we will not find real Peace/Love by looking or traveling anywhere outside of our selves.

PLU ~ Bob

The question of suffering and pain has always plauged mankind. I believe that negativity is a result of distance from God. We come to the earth realm to learn and to grow, to develop our souls that we may advance as to things spiritual and become more like God as we experience. I don't place blame on a satan of any making, while there are entities that are removed from God's love and light by their own making, I do not view this as the sole reason. All things can be moved to be for our good. If not for the things that I suffered I would not be the person that I am today, I would not have the knowledge of God and the God that is within me. There is a difference in suffering through the ignorance of our lives and mistakes than the suffering that goes on in some places of the world from birth through death for many. I do believe that we are aware of the circumstances under which we come into this earth life, we have decided beforehand what lessons we will learn, what part each life we experience will play in our development and the greater aspects of life here on earth. I know that Mother is moved by the suffering of her children and the Father is aware of and experiencing the suffering as well. Even for those who are experiencing this in other cultures, they find the God within many times. I have seen reports of children saved from horrific situations that go on to have wonderful and productive lives. I believe this is based on their view of the things they have suffered and the way in which they deal with it. In our society people experience sufferings that are great, but rarely to the extent of childhood slavery. It is the way in which the suffering is perceived and the fact that it can be allowed to stunt us or to motivate us, the choice ultimately is ours.

I do not feel that mankind is born under the shadow of "Original Sin", this would be cruel and setting mankind up for failure. I cannot envision the God that I have come to know placing his children into a situation where they are flawed and evil from birth. Part of the scars that so many carry are the designations made by the religious leaders that proclaim their sinful nature and the need for a savior to release them from it. We are born as perfect spirit children of Heavenly Parents here in this earth, we are seperated from the presence and knowledge of God by the fact that we are housed in a body. Our soul and spirit cannot fellowship with the Divine in the same way any longer. As we progress through life many are blessed to look within themselves for the things they seek and find God in the process. Others will not find this wonder until the pass over. I am new here so my views may be in the minority, these are my beliefs as God has revealed them to me. red

ps. can anyone tell me where the spell checker is on the program, I could not find it. Please forgive and spelling errors

redhead57 wrote:ps. can anyone tell me where the spell checker is on the program, I could not find it. Please forgive and spelling errors

Yes, click here: http://gnosis.forumotion.com/important-information-f1/please-use-the-spelling-checker-t202.htm

Perhaps a few others might try it too!

PLU ~ Bob

me ? i am thankful for all the badness that came into my life, I don't necessarily like them (who does anyway), for without them maybe i wouldn't care a bit about gnosis or even the sufferings of my fellowmen, if i had an easy life i would be too caught up in the world, i'm not saying i am out of it but i have the desire in me to become fully conscious within and without. so help me God.