The "No thought" Concept

As a teacher of Spiritual Consciousness I teach/share the "no thought" concept.

18 years I searched for the Truth and the "no thought" concept is the result of my findings. Please know that these are my findings, which I share freely with you to accept or reject....... : )

After my mystical experiences with "the light witin me" I started noticing people healing around...simply by bringing their problems to my attention. I have always (as many) had a strong compassion with those suffering and would have loved to have contributed somehow to the end of suffering in this world.

The "discovery" of "no thought" came suddenly...but the signs were always everywhere:

1) Jesus said (in simular words): Take no thought for your life, for your body, what you will eat or wear nor for tomorrow...those things will be taken care of.

2) When Jesus first appeared to me during a prayer many years ago, he said: Keep things simple

3) Metaphysic's teaches us that we create with our thoughts. If we have a negative thought we create a negative experience. If we take a positive thought...we have a positive expereince....who creates when I take no thought?

4) Jesus said (in simular words): Judge not according to the appearance of things.

5) Be still and know that I am God

And many more. Then one day contemplating on God and my relationship to God I heard: I am closer than you think. Think...thinking...thought...before I think...before "I am" came into being.

To think is to have doubt. Think about it: the only time we think is when we don't know...yet even "thinking" will bring us to "no thought".

From another perspective we can see that the mind...thinks....that is what is does. To expereince one's true Self..one has to move beyond mind. Simply by realizing that I am not the mind..nor anything that the mind can perceive...I move beyond. If the mind can change and I can control it and even quite it..."I" can not be the mind...does that make sense? Everything I perceive through my senses is filtered through my mind. If I am not my mind...everything I perceive is distorted by the mind.

When I move beyond mind...there is no suffering and I find my true self...being...bliss : )

From http://www.meaningoflife.i12.com/no-thought.htm:
Merging with your True Self / Spirit - Entering Samadhi


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[size=12]If your mind is empty, it is always ready for anything; it is open to everything. In the beginner’s mind there are many possibilities, in the expert’s mind there are few.

SUZUKI-ROSHI

The power of the warrior mind is its ability to act from a state of "No Mind", with technique arising effortlessly out of emptiness. As a mirror reflects objects without clinging to the images, the "Warrior Mind" is free to flow from one object to the next without impediment. From this state arises instinctive wisdom, the power that allows ordinary people to perform extraordinary feats.

The no-mind not-thinks no-thoughts about no-things - The Buddah

The undisturbed mind is like the calm body water reflecting the brilliance of the moon.
Empty the mind and you will realize the undisturbed mind. - Yagyu Jubei

"The river has no shape, but it takes on the boundaries which it carves out for itself,
so is the mind boundless, until it creates a prison for its own thoughts."
To the mind that is still the whole universe surrenders - Lao Tzu

[size=12]Maitrya says:[size=9]"Whoever, whatever, whenever you are, tread the divine water cleanliness which is detachment. I have not come to teach you anything new. Be honest to yourself, sincere to yourself, and be detached.

[size=9]This method is so simple, so sweet, it is free from religions, ideologies, politics. It makes one experience who one is. Fulfil your role, yet be free.

"Let the water settle; you will see the moon and stars mirrored in your being." --Jelaluddin Rumi
"Out beyond the ideas of right-doing or wrong-doing there is a field - I'll meet you there." --Jelaluddin Rumi

OSHO: The Book of Secrets - "85 - think nothing"
"Thinking no thing will limited-self unlimit" "That's what I was saying. If there is no object to your attention, you are nowhere; or you are everywhere, you are free. You have become freedom. This second sutra says: Thinking no thing - or thinking nothing - will self unlimit."

"If you are not thinking you are unlimited. Thinking gives you limit, and there are many types of limit."


Mother Amma once said,'Once you are established in the state of no-mind, no one can do anything to you, unless you consciously let them do it. You can allow something to happen or not to happen. Whether it happens or not, you remain a witness - completely untouched and unpeturbed, ever established in the state of supreme detachment.


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And your point being?

My point being LOL....instead of thinking that we need to do something...it is actually that we need to stop doing something. We "need" do nothing...we are already.

Vivamis123 wrote:My point being LOL....instead of thinking that we need to do something...it is actually that we need to stop doing something. We "need" do nothing...we are already.

Yes indeed ~ we need to stop thinking, imagining, and believing - and actually start EXPERIENCING and KNOWING, which IS what GNOSIS is all about.

PLU ~ Bob

Great!...then I am in good hands : )

Vivamis....Wow that is truely amazing concept indeed. This is speeking from a Soul also that has sought His Divine path for 33 years with much trial and error on my part within the world always going back to the blissful zone of the Father, be it from retreating, finding, and in many cases understanding from my thought paterns, knowing that the Father was with me always.

From my own view I critque my own discertion of things that pass before me within this light , and although I difinatly see what you are saying, in all truth of existance. from a point where we have had much knowledge to walk here, I ask myself if it will hold up in throught the many facits of examples in life we have to deal with and live in.
In short what would a Parent tell his son in the realms of getting him motivated to start working for himself and attaining respect for himself and others by what he does. In reality it takes some concrete list of things to think of for him to occupy his mind enough which will open up to other possiblities, and including God if he starts to be accepting of it and himself of corse. Seeing from His enlightment prior He cannot base his quest on the oneness because he does not know if it.

The basic question which comes to mind is , then why are we here as Tri beings. If we all were Spirits of God in His kingdom without the Mortal of course we would have no need for mortal thought only God. If we were all just animals without the ability to create for others, all thought would be needed to exist only. Now that puts the soul inbetween the two.

Christ talks of the natural development of a Baby, where its Spirit has nothing upon it and is pure, in order to live and understand the child must take on Want, want food, which is of the earthly things the body needs to grow, but starts to connect to the world because of it, with proper upbringing and knowledge the want of Spirit will start to be enlightened and grow with things of God, untill it start to tell the input of the world to stop or be controled to grow in a balanced fashion. As the Spirit grows larger it can take on the divinity of the Father its creater. Christ has said in Thomas Gospel " there is nothing for man not to know" also in P.S. He states "I am the Gnosis(Knowledge) of the universe.

My feeling is that the Father is and is always which is what we are to collect our inheritance of at the Completion of the defeciancy, His children that take on the Christ conscousness who is we being one in that will be that completion. So I guess I look at it like there is Good and bad thought process within men, the good process is the ones that laugh, love and always help others when the need arises as Christ did, the bad are those that use, hate, judge , and talk down of others, Thus the wheat and the tares within the mixture we live.

May the Joy be felt of Gods uniqueness within us all for the completion

Brother Thomas.........

Dear Brother Thomas,
Thank you for your reply and sharing great insight and love.

To take no thought is to not judge according to the appearnce of things (good or bad). Things are not as they appear to be. Only when we learn to look beyond the appearance of things do we see a bigger picture and perfection in everything.

The goal is not to get rid of the mind...but to empty the mind of all beliefs. The mind is like a computer that tranlates that which is received into that which is given. But we as humans have programmed our mind with things we have learnd from our expereinces and what others have taught us, instead of using the mind as a vehicle to receive and translate God's "word" into "worldy" terms suitable for communication.

In everyday life, we would still go about our duties putting forth our best efford, yet not worring or fearing anything...knowing that everything is in God's hands and not ours. Seeing God alone as the source of all....everything as a blessing...in discuise.

Vivamis123 wrote:Dear Brother Thomas,
Thank you for your reply and sharing great insight and love.

To take no thought is to not judge according to the appearnce of things (good or bad). Things are not as they appear to be. Only when we learn to look beyond the appearance of things do we see a bigger picture and perfection in everything.

The goal is not to get rid of the mind...but to empty the mind of all beliefs. The mind is like a computer that tranlates that which is received into that which is given. But we as humans have programmed our mind with things we have learnd from our expereinces and what others have taught us, instead of using the mind as a vehicle to receive and translate God's "word" into "worldy" terms suitable for communication.

In everyday life, we would still go about our duties putting forth our best efford, yet not worring or fearing anything...knowing that everything is in God's hands and not ours. Seeing God alone as the source of all....everything as a blessing...in discuise.

Yes, very well put. Wisdom indeed!

PLU ~ Bob

Vivamis, I think we are on the same page here so I won`t strech this out to far..LOL.
By going through the NT, I see that the thought pertaining to the downfall of ones self or others and or attaching to the world should be not done as indicated by Jesus in texts.
As You stated in your last post:
In everyday life, we would still go about our duties putting forth our best efford, yet not worring or fearing anything...knowing that everything is in God's hands and not ours. Seeing God alone as the source of all....everything as a blessing...in discuise

These duties and efferts take a smaller degree of thought within the spectrum that is not damaging but progressive to make our lives fuller and meaningfull to our family and selves.
I as a heavy Mechanic needed thoughts that safe gard lives every day have to be achieced and used to train others in these patterns. The vast knowledge that is involved in my trade and the thought of varies ways of applications of it are crucial.
So I see now that there are diferant levels of thought like everything else and differant ways to apply them within our being.

Thank you for listening truly, much insight has been shown indeed

Brother Thomas...

Vivamis123 wrote:As a teacher of Spiritual Consciousness I teach/share the "no thought" concept.

18 years I searched for the Truth and the "no thought" concept is the result of my findings. Please know that these are my findings, which I share freely with you to accept or reject....... : )

After my mystical experiences with "the light witin me" I started noticing people healing around...simply by bringing their problems to my attention. I have always (as many) had a strong compassion with those suffering and would have loved to have contributed somehow to the end of suffering in this world.

The "discovery" of "no thought" came suddenly...but the signs were always everywhere:

1) Jesus said (in simular words): Take no thought for your life, for your body, what you will eat or wear nor for tomorrow...those things will be taken care of.

2) When Jesus first appeared to me during a prayer many years ago, he said: Keep things simple

3) Metaphysic's teaches us that we create with our thoughts. If we have a negative thought we create a negative experience. If we take a positive thought...we have a positive expereince....who creates when I take no thought?

4) Jesus said (in simular words): Judge not according to the appearance of things.

5) Be still and know that I am God

And many more. Then one day contemplating on God and my relationship to God I heard: I am closer than you think. Think...thinking...thought...before I think...before "I am" came into being.

To think is to have doubt. Think about it: the only time we think is when we don't know...yet even "thinking" will bring us to "no thought".

From another perspective we can see that the mind...thinks....that is what is does. To expereince one's true Self..one has to move beyond mind. Simply by realizing that I am not the mind..nor anything that the mind can perceive...I move beyond. If the mind can change and I can control it and even quite it..."I" can not be the mind...does that make sense? Everything I perceive through my senses is filtered through my mind. If I am not my mind...everything I perceive is distorted by the mind.

When I move beyond mind...there is no suffering and I find my true self...being...bliss : )

From http://www.meaningoflife.i12.com/no-thought.htm:
Merging with your True Self / Spirit - Entering Samadhi


<BLOCKQUOTE>
[size=12]If your mind is empty, it is always ready for anything; it is open to everything. In the beginner’s mind there are many possibilities, in the expert’s mind there are few.

SUZUKI-ROSHI

The power of the warrior mind is its ability to act from a state of "No Mind", with technique arising effortlessly out of emptiness. As a mirror reflects objects without clinging to the images, the "Warrior Mind" is free to flow from one object to the next without impediment. From this state arises instinctive wisdom, the power that allows ordinary people to perform extraordinary feats.

The no-mind not-thinks no-thoughts about no-things - The Buddah

The undisturbed mind is like the calm body water reflecting the brilliance of the moon.
Empty the mind and you will realize the undisturbed mind. - Yagyu Jubei

"The river has no shape, but it takes on the boundaries which it carves out for itself,
so is the mind boundless, until it creates a prison for its own thoughts."
To the mind that is still the whole universe surrenders - Lao Tzu

[size=12]Maitrya says:[size=9]"Whoever, whatever, whenever you are, tread the divine water cleanliness which is detachment. I have not come to teach you anything new. Be honest to yourself, sincere to yourself, and be detached.

[size=9]This method is so simple, so sweet, it is free from religions, ideologies, politics. It makes one experience who one is. Fulfil your role, yet be free.

"Let the water settle; you will see the moon and stars mirrored in your being." --Jelaluddin Rumi
"Out beyond the ideas of right-doing or wrong-doing there is a field - I'll meet you there." --Jelaluddin Rumi

OSHO: The Book of Secrets - "85 - think nothing"
"Thinking no thing will limited-self unlimit" "That's what I was saying. If there is no object to your attention, you are nowhere; or you are everywhere, you are free. You have become freedom. This second sutra says: Thinking no thing - or thinking nothing - will self unlimit."

"If you are not thinking you are unlimited. Thinking gives you limit, and there are many types of limit."


Mother Amma once said,'Once you are established in the state of no-mind, no one can do anything to you, unless you consciously let them do it. You can allow something to happen or not to happen. Whether it happens or not, you remain a witness - completely untouched and unpeturbed, ever established in the state of supreme detachment.


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Hello Vivamis123. This is a good topic of discussion. I tip my hat to you. I am a huge proponent of the "no thought" concept. I see this is as truly being the key to entering the kingdom. We are to be still (in meditation) and take no thought (in meditation). We are to move our tassels from left to right by not relying on the 5 senses when looking within as stated in Luke 17:21.



Htp

Dear Chukuma...much love to you : )

It is the simpliest of all things. The "Truth" is hidden before anything can come into being...brilliant! It is soo simple that we don't "get it"....yet the moment we do grasp it...we lost it. LOL

Vivamis123 wrote:The "Truth" is hidden before anything can come into being...brilliant! It is soo simple that we don't "get it"....yet the moment we do grasp it...we lost it. LOL

A bit like this parable ~ CLICK HERE

PLU ~ Bob

Vivamis123 wrote:Dear Chukuma...much love to you : )

It is the simpliest of all things. The "Truth" is hidden before anything can come into being...brilliant! It is soo simple that we don't "get it"....yet the moment we do grasp it...we lost it. LOL

Reply:

Yes, V123. It is a very simple, but yet profound thing! Blessing unto you.



Htp

Bob...great story...thanks for the link.

Chukuma....kind of like the mustard seed....soo small...yet so powerful : )

Vivamis123 wrote:Bob...great story...thanks for the link.

Chukuma....kind of like the mustard seed....soo small...yet so powerful : )

Reply:

Yes, V. Absolutely! Thank God for that beautiful solar seed (of promise)!



Htp