Home
FAQ
Register
Log inASTROLOGY
THE GNOSTIC WAY :: RELIGIONS / 'BELIEF SYSTEMS' / HISTORIC SPIRITUAL MASTERS :: OTHER RELIGIONS & 'BELIEF' SYSTEMS
Page 1 of 2•
Page 1 of 2 • 1, 2 
ASTROLOGY
by Admin on Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:03 am
I am wondering about the relevance of Astrology to Spirituality.
I believe that the physical universe influences our 'lower' self (unenlightened mind / ego / persona) in many ways, and that the planets do somehow affect us (our character). But the amount of time and effort spent studying all the planets and stars and their positions etc. seems mind-boggling to me. It also requires a great intellect to absorb such a vast amount of information.
Therefore my question is, what Spiritual benefit can such study produce?
Remember, if you consider that God / Spirit is freely available to ALL (especially the 'simple' / 'humble' ones) then the involved knowledge of Astrology seems too intellectually demanding for many.
It is my opinion that genuine Gnosis must be the most simple, yet most profound experiential Knowledge - requiring NO intellect or study whatsoever.
What do you think?
PLU
I believe that the physical universe influences our 'lower' self (unenlightened mind / ego / persona) in many ways, and that the planets do somehow affect us (our character). But the amount of time and effort spent studying all the planets and stars and their positions etc. seems mind-boggling to me. It also requires a great intellect to absorb such a vast amount of information.
Therefore my question is, what Spiritual benefit can such study produce?
Remember, if you consider that God / Spirit is freely available to ALL (especially the 'simple' / 'humble' ones) then the involved knowledge of Astrology seems too intellectually demanding for many.
It is my opinion that genuine Gnosis must be the most simple, yet most profound experiential Knowledge - requiring NO intellect or study whatsoever.
What do you think?
PLU
Re: ASTROLOGY
by BelzeBob on Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:15 am
Admin
I think astrology can be useful. If we don't put to much imagination into it. And also learn it very well, so it becomes a very exact science. According to the 4W teaching the influence of the celestial bodies shapes man's essence. That is, how he is when he is born. The external body type and also the character; all his tendencies good and bad, likes and dislikes, temper etc. And connected with this "planetary type" is fate. Still, astrology cannot take into account all that a man may later learn in life, or things that may accidentaly happen to him. He does not have to be the "slave" of his astrological chart / prediction. But the basic essence type will always remain.
Astrology can also help us understand human relationships. F.ex the attraction between one astrological/planetary type of man and another type of woman. Or the repulsion between two people.
This is "individual" astrology, but there's also the "general" astrology about how the celestial bodies affect life on Earth as a whole.
It's a very large subject and very interesting, I think.
In the 4W we have the body type system that classifies each and every human into 7 categories.
Lunar, Venusian, Mercurial, Saturnian, Martial, Jovial + Solar.
(Then there's the perfected man; the Neptune type.)
BB
I think astrology can be useful. If we don't put to much imagination into it. And also learn it very well, so it becomes a very exact science. According to the 4W teaching the influence of the celestial bodies shapes man's essence. That is, how he is when he is born. The external body type and also the character; all his tendencies good and bad, likes and dislikes, temper etc. And connected with this "planetary type" is fate. Still, astrology cannot take into account all that a man may later learn in life, or things that may accidentaly happen to him. He does not have to be the "slave" of his astrological chart / prediction. But the basic essence type will always remain.
Astrology can also help us understand human relationships. F.ex the attraction between one astrological/planetary type of man and another type of woman. Or the repulsion between two people.
This is "individual" astrology, but there's also the "general" astrology about how the celestial bodies affect life on Earth as a whole.
It's a very large subject and very interesting, I think.
In the 4W we have the body type system that classifies each and every human into 7 categories.
Lunar, Venusian, Mercurial, Saturnian, Martial, Jovial + Solar.
(Then there's the perfected man; the Neptune type.)
BB
Re: ASTROLOGY
by St. Elmo's Fire on Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:32 am
Astrology, as we know it, is based entirely on our ability to predict exactly where we are or where we will be in relation to the various components of our solar system, galaxy, universe ect. at any given time. If the complexities of that seem formadible, then one might well look ahead a few generations or so when mankind will, in all likelyhood, have the ability to change that relationship at will.
How do the constalations affect someone enrout from Jupitor to Mars? Or mining ice from Saturns rings? What will the affect of the moons Io or Titan have on your moon sign? Or how about "what house is your EARTH in?"
I think the "so-called" age of aquarious is an age that transcends and renders moot many of our psudo-sciences.
How do the constalations affect someone enrout from Jupitor to Mars? Or mining ice from Saturns rings? What will the affect of the moons Io or Titan have on your moon sign? Or how about "what house is your EARTH in?"
I think the "so-called" age of aquarious is an age that transcends and renders moot many of our psudo-sciences.
Re: ASTROLOGY
by theeternaliam on Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:40 pm
"what Spiritual benefit can such study produce"
I remember somewhere Jesus saying to leave the elementary principles of this world. I take this to mean temporal knowledge. I feel astrology is more linked to the carnal self, which, could, I'm sure help one to recognize Eternal Light in one's own individual way, but other than that it is pretty pointless. I know some gnostics say they practice tarot reading and such. I think this is pretty pointless, and comes from a restless spirit. I definetely sgree w/ you that Gnosis is simple and not convoluted. Complexities Deteriorate, while Simplicity is Eternal(and paradoxically, complex in its own way). What spiritual benefit could astorlogy (or any science) produce? I think all roads lead to Rome. Detatched Contemplation of suxh things may breed Wisdom, but "when you get the message, hang up the phone"
I remember somewhere Jesus saying to leave the elementary principles of this world. I take this to mean temporal knowledge. I feel astrology is more linked to the carnal self, which, could, I'm sure help one to recognize Eternal Light in one's own individual way, but other than that it is pretty pointless. I know some gnostics say they practice tarot reading and such. I think this is pretty pointless, and comes from a restless spirit. I definetely sgree w/ you that Gnosis is simple and not convoluted. Complexities Deteriorate, while Simplicity is Eternal(and paradoxically, complex in its own way). What spiritual benefit could astorlogy (or any science) produce? I think all roads lead to Rome. Detatched Contemplation of suxh things may breed Wisdom, but "when you get the message, hang up the phone"
Re: ASTROLOGY
by Admin on Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:19 pm
theeternaliam wrote:"what Spiritual benefit can such study produce"
I remember somewhere Jesus saying to leave the elementary principles of this world. I take this to mean temporal knowledge. I feel astrology is more linked to the carnal self, which, could, I'm sure help one to recognize Eternal Light in one's own individual way, but other than that it is pretty pointless. I know some gnostics say they practice tarot reading and such. I think this is pretty pointless, and comes from a restless spirit. I definetely sgree w/ you that Gnosis is simple and not convoluted. Complexities Deteriorate, while Simplicity is Eternal(and paradoxically, complex in its own way). What spiritual benefit could astorlogy (or any science) produce? I think all roads lead to Rome. Detatched Contemplation of suxh things may breed Wisdom, but "when you get the message, hang up the phone"
Yes, I agree with you.
There are many things in the 'material' worlds which tend to occupy our minds to such an extent that we forget our true SPIRITUAL journey. It may even seem like they will lead somewhere Spiritual, but that is just the illusion.
We must learn to discipline our minds, and concentrate on the ONE TRUE SPIRITUAL PATH.
PLU ~ Bob
Re: ASTROLOGY
by Sara Morgan on Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:39 am
I am an astrologer and I decided to do an experiment. I use to set my whole life and schedule by the void moon, retrogrades and such. One day I got up and said I am going to do without Astrology for one year. Well lo and behold I made it through and actually lived better than what I expected. I sometimes wonder about spirituality and astrology, There are some who say we make our charts before we get here, perhaps this is true, but we have a choice of changing what we decided to do with our life. In my mind the jury is still out on this one.
in the stars
by sopherim7 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:53 am
astrology has alot of merit and is extremley accurate along with numerology, but i do not govern my life around either one as it is so wrong at times. but it is an interesting phenomena , this last mercury retrograde was a bitch lolol 
sopherim
sopherimCol. 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory
Astrology
by Prism1111 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:38 am
I agree with you absolutely Bob....the true path is always to the Higher self and in tune the Higher Creations of the Fathers powers, that which Christ simplified for us.
There is a scripture that we should understand in the Gospel of Thomas; For there is nothing that man cannot know. Also knowing that everyone is created a little bit different by the direction of the Father ie; Disciples, profits, laborers, Child bearers, john the Baptist was a soul all to himself per say, and You and me etc. The list is as many as souls apon the earth, so everyone doesn`t have to do everything, except seek Good speed with you, thus you will follow the inheritance you were destine to find alone with the Father. Like the soul the body was create different to follow much different paths through traditions, self beliefs, eating habits, DNA etc. and there is much intermingle of the two worlds also being as we are. So that brings just one person to an astronomical difference in Himself.
Also some will seek a little , some alot at every realm and level. Everything was created by the Father, celestial directly almost, Mortal by the Parents to fool the Dark side as to their own , only until the Completion of the age.
So Astrology to was created per say under the Fathers Design but with permission, but not directly. All can be understood , as you say vast amount of information, yes truly if one seeks that for just knowledge as it should be. for a reason, and not at all as a belief system. Christ talks of this make up also in Pistis Sophia which is within the realms of the Lower forces, for information, not to be sought after for fullness.
Christ has said Know thy adversary well, protect your brothers eye as your own, we can attain His power if sought to rid ourselves and others of sin,demons you name it, if that is your choice and seek how to, for there is nothing we lack.
So in your question what good is all this, the answer lies in the Father within you through Christ. to understand any parts of the mortal world is to Help your brother , live with, be happy in, help over come, draw back a veil together as two are more powerful then one before and after witnessing the same. You can move mountains, as the scripture goes.
As Parents do we not teach our own children of the world that we have walked already? Not so much Astrology, but still of the world in conjunction with the divine. So we should keep the grouping separate in us, the world vs the Celestial in our souls and Thoughts with Christ as the Captain. Keep the Baptism of the Father intact in ourselves and help others to attain the same in them.
All things are under the great design in great knowledge for everyone to seek as they choose to. Only a portion will bring salvation, nevertheless all can be known. Kinda like camping in the woods some plants are edible, some are not and will kill you. it would be wise to know them first. Thus knowledge will save you.
creation is truly awesome indeed, but presidences should be set to Live by.
Brother Thomas.......
There is a scripture that we should understand in the Gospel of Thomas; For there is nothing that man cannot know. Also knowing that everyone is created a little bit different by the direction of the Father ie; Disciples, profits, laborers, Child bearers, john the Baptist was a soul all to himself per say, and You and me etc. The list is as many as souls apon the earth, so everyone doesn`t have to do everything, except seek Good speed with you, thus you will follow the inheritance you were destine to find alone with the Father. Like the soul the body was create different to follow much different paths through traditions, self beliefs, eating habits, DNA etc. and there is much intermingle of the two worlds also being as we are. So that brings just one person to an astronomical difference in Himself.
Also some will seek a little , some alot at every realm and level. Everything was created by the Father, celestial directly almost, Mortal by the Parents to fool the Dark side as to their own , only until the Completion of the age.
So Astrology to was created per say under the Fathers Design but with permission, but not directly. All can be understood , as you say vast amount of information, yes truly if one seeks that for just knowledge as it should be. for a reason, and not at all as a belief system. Christ talks of this make up also in Pistis Sophia which is within the realms of the Lower forces, for information, not to be sought after for fullness.
Christ has said Know thy adversary well, protect your brothers eye as your own, we can attain His power if sought to rid ourselves and others of sin,demons you name it, if that is your choice and seek how to, for there is nothing we lack.
So in your question what good is all this, the answer lies in the Father within you through Christ. to understand any parts of the mortal world is to Help your brother , live with, be happy in, help over come, draw back a veil together as two are more powerful then one before and after witnessing the same. You can move mountains, as the scripture goes.
As Parents do we not teach our own children of the world that we have walked already? Not so much Astrology, but still of the world in conjunction with the divine. So we should keep the grouping separate in us, the world vs the Celestial in our souls and Thoughts with Christ as the Captain. Keep the Baptism of the Father intact in ourselves and help others to attain the same in them.
All things are under the great design in great knowledge for everyone to seek as they choose to. Only a portion will bring salvation, nevertheless all can be known. Kinda like camping in the woods some plants are edible, some are not and will kill you. it would be wise to know them first. Thus knowledge will save you.
creation is truly awesome indeed, but presidences should be set to Live by.
Brother Thomas.......
M't:10:16: Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Re: ASTROLOGY
by Heather on Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:25 am
I am very interested in astrology although i am not in no way an expert. It just makes sense to me. I didn't spend much time memorizing which planet correlates with which symbol or other correspondance, for me, (maybe because i'm an aquarius, lol), it just all fit together intuitively. Now, i still have trouble with house placement and i can't do the math to draw a chart up from scratch. When i'm old and my children are grown, i might enjoy learning those details. But for now, it helps me understand how a person's mind works or what they are dealing with in this life. I think before incarnating, we choose which astrological conditions to be born under as it gives us a jumpstart on our life path. I also think we should remain aware of our astrological strengths and weaknesses and move beyond those barriers. I think you are right about gnosis coming as direct unnderstanding of the heart, but for some, astrology is just a natural thing.
- Heather
- Heather
Re: ASTROLOGY
by Heather on Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:26 am
I am in "no" way an expert, sorry about the typo!
Re: ASTROLOGY
by gnostic warrior on Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:10 pm
Heather wrote:I am very interested in astrology although i am not in no way an expert. It just makes sense to me. I didn't spend much time memorizing which planet correlates with which symbol or other correspondance, for me, (maybe because i'm an aquarius, lol), it just all fit together intuitively. Now, i still have trouble with house placement and i can't do the math to draw a chart up from scratch. When i'm old and my children are grown, i might enjoy learning those details. But for now, it helps me understand how a person's mind works or what they are dealing with in this life. I think before incarnating, we choose which astrological conditions to be born under as it gives us a jumpstart on our life path. I also think we should remain aware of our astrological strengths and weaknesses and move beyond those barriers. I think you are right about gnosis coming as direct unnderstanding of the heart, but for some, astrology is just a natural thing.
- Heather
Hi Heather,
we share the same thought on this. Spirits who incarnate in a mannor that is more 'structured' seem to follow their birth chart to get an idea on where they need work on their spirit. We may choose a sign that will either strengthen ourselves or give ourselves more of a challange.. this is the law of probability and possibility. I incarnated on this planet with 'balance' in mind. My astrological chart shows a lot of balance, but still shows a lot of room for improvement. Think about how we were in the past, where we could look up to the heavens at night and see many more stars than now.. these are 'memory sparks', but not limited to. Most likely durring our incarnation, the stars will not change.. so they are great 'way points' much like the old sea navagators. I do not see horoscopes being of any great benefit, but do see charts being of great benefit. Have questions about someone? find out their birth date and time and you might find out why you are having questions about someone.... as a reminder, astrological charts are accurate only as long as that person is acting carnally... in other words they are not conciously changing their 'foundation'... Good post!
Peace and Harmony through Unconditional LOVE!
May the greater power of unity, grace, unconditional love and synchronicity with God be with you today and always.
Re: ASTROLOGY
by The_Passerby on Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:41 am
gnostic warrior wrote:Heather wrote:I am very interested in astrology although i am not in no way an expert. It just makes sense to me. I didn't spend much time memorizing which planet correlates with which symbol or other correspondance, for me, (maybe because i'm an aquarius, lol), it just all fit together intuitively. Now, i still have trouble with house placement and i can't do the math to draw a chart up from scratch. When i'm old and my children are grown, i might enjoy learning those details. But for now, it helps me understand how a person's mind works or what they are dealing with in this life. I think before incarnating, we choose which astrological conditions to be born under as it gives us a jumpstart on our life path. I also think we should remain aware of our astrological strengths and weaknesses and move beyond those barriers. I think you are right about gnosis coming as direct unnderstanding of the heart, but for some, astrology is just a natural thing.
- Heather
Hi Heather,
we share the same thought on this. Spirits who incarnate in a mannor that is more 'structured' seem to follow their birth chart to get an idea on where they need work on their spirit. We may choose a sign that will either strengthen ourselves or give ourselves more of a challange.. this is the law of probability and possibility. I incarnated on this planet with 'balance' in mind. My astrological chart shows a lot of balance, but still shows a lot of room for improvement. Think about how we were in the past, where we could look up to the heavens at night and see many more stars than now.. these are 'memory sparks', but not limited to. Most likely durring our incarnation, the stars will not change.. so they are great 'way points' much like the old sea navagators. I do not see horoscopes being of any great benefit, but do see charts being of great benefit. Have questions about someone? find out their birth date and time and you might find out why you are having questions about someone.... as a reminder, astrological charts are accurate only as long as that person is acting carnally... in other words they are not conciously changing their 'foundation'... Good post!
Peace and Harmony through Unconditional LOVE!
Gnostic_Warrior forgive me for my nature to go against the tides (or perhaps the standards of the forum and make this comment), but who told you that you have a balanced mind? This is one of the prime reasons why things like astrology, which in our day is corrupted, can be hindrance to development and growth. That it would make an individual think they are balanced in mind when they are not, is a big issue. Astrology only relates to about 10% of a persons mind, their natural organic state (organic mind). It relates certain "laws" of their birth up to a point, but it does not account for all the possible fragmentation's of their organic personality consciousness (there is a multiplicity in regards the person they see themselves as, they are a legion, divided and bound) -- the impurity of their flesh and its vibration -- the fact that a man is earth-bound and is unconscious -- and this is not to mention all the other influences, karmic realities, realities and movement of energy, and such. Like all things in this world, a astrology chart is not whole. It has benefit, but it is far from whole. And a man, unless he is in a divine marriage, has to see himself to work on himself. A man does not possess consciousness normally.
I'm sorry Gnostic_Warrior. I am just being real. A Balanced mind, is one that has come in order -- where the male and female is in harmonic balance within themselves, giving rise and growth of the third force faculties within them, which is all necessary for expansion of mind. If a man had a balanced "mind" then they would be born into their Authentic Soul Self. They would have a Anointed mind (to this degree, to be born again -- a balanced mind is a mind that is born).
Re: ASTROLOGY
by gnostic warrior on Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:29 am
Hi passerby,
I must agree with your assesment on the deeper level! When I said I was balanced, I meant that I was the most balanced looking chart that I have seen. I am in no way balanced in the nature that you speak of. Though I am a 'male' spirit/being, I know that to become balanced one must rise above 'gender', as Yeshua was above all things carnal. I regret that I can not articulate what I really mean, and your response has shown me that I am still part of this world of 'babel'.... I am not a follower of astrology, I only know/remember what my chart looks like and that I am a capricorn in this life. All things to me are 'tools' to learn by and it is up to the individual to utilize those tools correctly... Point blank, I am here on this planet.. therefore I am very young in my spiritual learning! We have some pretty big shoes to fill so to speak LOL!
Peace and Harmony through Unconditional LOVE!
I must agree with your assesment on the deeper level! When I said I was balanced, I meant that I was the most balanced looking chart that I have seen. I am in no way balanced in the nature that you speak of. Though I am a 'male' spirit/being, I know that to become balanced one must rise above 'gender', as Yeshua was above all things carnal. I regret that I can not articulate what I really mean, and your response has shown me that I am still part of this world of 'babel'.... I am not a follower of astrology, I only know/remember what my chart looks like and that I am a capricorn in this life. All things to me are 'tools' to learn by and it is up to the individual to utilize those tools correctly... Point blank, I am here on this planet.. therefore I am very young in my spiritual learning! We have some pretty big shoes to fill so to speak LOL!
Peace and Harmony through Unconditional LOVE!
May the greater power of unity, grace, unconditional love and synchronicity with God be with you today and always.
Re: ASTROLOGY
by DarkChylde on Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:59 am
The_Passerby wrote:
Gnostic_Warrior forgive me for my nature to go against the tides (or perhaps the standards of the forum and make this comment), but who told you that you have a balanced mind?
I really should stay outta this,
but I feel this must be pointed out.Passerby, no one has to 'tell' GWarrior that he has a balanced mind, isn't that for him to discover for himself? He doesn't need it validated by an outside source. And who 'told' you that YOU have a 'balanced mind?' I found this to be a rather judgemental stance, suprising considering what I just read to be your comment on 'judgement' on the thread by Brother Thomas.... That would be for him to decide, and not for you to question, or to expect his definition of a 'balanced mind' to fit yours. NO mind is balanced, at least not while we are dragging around our skin suits.....
And I couldn't care less about standards or tides, just for one who considers himself so advanced, this seemed rather like you were imposing judgement as well as your own definition upon another. Tsk tsk.
Gnostic Warrior, I think you are far more balanced than those who seem to be projecting thier own imbalances on you...
whirled and inner peas,
_./'\._ΈΈ.€**€.Έ.€**€
*. . *** DarkChylde **
/.*.\ Έ..€**€., .€**€
GNOTHI SEAUTON
'Gnosis is knowledge of the heart'... Valentinus
333 half evil
_./'\._ΈΈ.€**€.Έ.€**€
*. . *** DarkChylde **
/.*.\ Έ..€**€., .€**€
GNOTHI SEAUTON
'Gnosis is knowledge of the heart'... Valentinus
333 half evil
Re: ASTROLOGY
by DarkChylde on Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:09 am
My views of Astrology are probably go back to the Manichean idea that the zodiac was part of the mechanism to pull the Light out of the mixture of light/admixed/dark that exists in our material world, or the 'Matrix' to use a hokey 'new age' (HORRORS!) term....
I am a fire sign, Sagittarian to the core. According to the Eastern 'calendar', I was born in the year of the Chicken (ba gock!) and that fits as well. But using astrology to make predictions seems to have been taken over by fruit loops bearing wind chimes, and they don't make much sense, or are too vague. I HAVE known a true psychic, tho, Pansy Pantapart, from Fort Worth, who has passed this many a year now, who used a regular deck of playing cards, but she told me all the answers we will ever seek are within us, that stars and cards and tea leaves just are ways to get in touch with this 'inner knowledge.' The answers to all questions aren't 'out there', they are 'in here', we just hafta figure out how to access them.
I for one am not concerned with the future, what will happen will happen and it is just the Light manifesting itself in it's many ways. I used to try to affect such things, but now I know things that happen do so for a reason, and I for one am content to wait on the Light for all things.
JMHO.
I am a fire sign, Sagittarian to the core. According to the Eastern 'calendar', I was born in the year of the Chicken (ba gock!) and that fits as well. But using astrology to make predictions seems to have been taken over by fruit loops bearing wind chimes, and they don't make much sense, or are too vague. I HAVE known a true psychic, tho, Pansy Pantapart, from Fort Worth, who has passed this many a year now, who used a regular deck of playing cards, but she told me all the answers we will ever seek are within us, that stars and cards and tea leaves just are ways to get in touch with this 'inner knowledge.' The answers to all questions aren't 'out there', they are 'in here', we just hafta figure out how to access them.
I for one am not concerned with the future, what will happen will happen and it is just the Light manifesting itself in it's many ways. I used to try to affect such things, but now I know things that happen do so for a reason, and I for one am content to wait on the Light for all things.
JMHO.
whirled and inner peas,
_./'\._ΈΈ.€**€.Έ.€**€
*. . *** DarkChylde **
/.*.\ Έ..€**€., .€**€
GNOTHI SEAUTON
'Gnosis is knowledge of the heart'... Valentinus
333 half evil
_./'\._ΈΈ.€**€.Έ.€**€
*. . *** DarkChylde **
/.*.\ Έ..€**€., .€**€
GNOTHI SEAUTON
'Gnosis is knowledge of the heart'... Valentinus
333 half evil
Page 1 of 2 • 1, 2