THE TRUE 'SPIRIT'/'BREATH'/'WORD'/'NAME' OF GOD

BelzeBob wrote:Hi Passerby!

You're right; the musical scale is a representation of the law of 7.

I cannot do justice to this very large and complex subject in a post.
Please get a hold of "In search..." and read Gurdjieff's explanations.

(there are only 2 intervals in the law of 7. Read about it.)

The law of 3; yes - affirming/denying/reconciling

B

(Then let's talk later. It's a very difficult subject. )

I will be getting the book shortly. Yes the two intervals between mi and fa, as well as si and do. The Law of 7 is within the Law of 3, what this shows is an example of what I was say is the Divine Pattern. The interval betwen mi and fa, would be the transitional period from active---reflective/passive, a similar interval begins between si and do.

No no no no.

Read!

(I'm not "angry". But I have the object to what you're saying as it's not correct at all. The law of 7 is not "within the law of 3" f.ex. Read. Reading is good. Btw - the only authors worth reading on this subject are:

G.I Gurdjieff
P.D Ouspensky
Maurice Nicoll and
Rodney Collin.

I have to say that as there are many truth-distorters out there. Well-meaning people maybe, but distorters nevertheless.)

BelzeBob wrote:No no no no.

Read!

(I'm not "angry". But I have the object to what you're saying as it's not correct at all. The law of 7 is not "within the law of 3" f.ex. Read. Reading is good. Btw - the only authors worth reading on this subject are:

G.I Gurdjieff
P.D Ouspensky
Maurice Nicoll and
Rodney Collin.

I have to say that as there are many truth-distorters out there. Well-meaning people maybe, but distorters nevertheless.)

Ok. Well for the perspective, I was looking in this pattern, which is a pattern of replication. There is a 3 fold nature of the body, within this 3 fold nature are 7 centers/chakra's. Or colors, while there are 7 colors, 3 primary and 3 seconary, with a mixture of the primary and secondary being a tertiary color, mostly they all result in a brown. However black and white are excluded, as two color principles although not a creation from mixing, does not make a different color only darkens or lights what is. But there are three color sets, Primary, Secondary, and Tertiary. 7 colors - 3 color classes.

I am going to read the site that you gave me,

but isn't the the Octave... as presented below? When I see it, I see as an observation the 7 musical notes within the 3 sequences. There are 2 intervals; the sequence before the Mi and Fa interval could be seen as the Active force, between Fa-La Reflective force, and Si-Do, harmonizing force. Are you saying that the seven notes don't have 3 fold nature in regards their intervals? Perhaps I worded wrong, but I am not seeing where you are getting at now. I know the Law of 7 is one thing and the Law of 3 another, but I am referring to the scale and the intervals.

Active --------------------Reflective ------------Harmonizing

Male ----------------------Female---------------Child

Or BETTER SAID Active----harmonizing----reflective/passive






Perhaps this isn't relative in that manner. I know what the Law of 3 is, I know the law of 7 is, the process of 7 - I just always thought their was a threefoldness to the Octave because of the 2 intervals. I know of the ninefoldness.

He he, it's a difficult subject. Give it time. And make sure you have good sources for info.
(Now you do )

Admin wrote:The Holy Name or Word [of God] is itself the creative Power and Life force of the Universe.[1] This omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient Primordial Vibration is the very Essence of God – Pure Spiritual Energy. It is the sustainer of all life, and operates through its own subtle vibration resonating in the breath of every living being.[2] In most ancient languages one single term is used to express both “breath” and “spirit” (e.g. Hebrew = rûach; Greek = pneuma; Latin = spiritus; Sanskrit = prana) – the ancients must surely have known the significance – the HOLY BREATH or SPIRIT. Jesus, like all other genuine Masters, would have actually revealed this Mystic Word / Name / Vibration (i.e. the “Holy Breath” = Spirit) to His close (dedicated) disciples. Only a living Master can reveal this greatest of all Mysteries to humanity. Scientists are beginning to understand these facts – e.g. that everything in the universe is actually vibrating, every atom and molecule – yet they will never discover the Primordial and Pure (ethereal) Vibration of God (the Spirit) unless they turn with humility, “like little children”, to the living Lord; for it is not something that can be observed or measured with scientific instruments. It should now be quite clear that when the original initiated apostles of Jesus were told by Him to baptise disciples into the 'Name' of the Father, Jesus was telling them to actually reveal – through Mystic initiation – this most sacred and ineffable Name / Word / Vibration, which resides in our breath. He was certainly not telling them merely to repeat His words like a 'parrot', as the orthodox churches do!

Bob, this is interesting and I would agree for the most part. But I would not call this a simple explanation that an 11-year-old would understand (as you requested from Geoff in another current discussion). How about: "'Spirit' is the vibration that was, is and always will be the creative force underlying all of life and existence." That's simply said. Would you go with that?

You also say above: "yet they will never discover the Primordial and Pure (etheral) Vibration of God (the Spirit) unless they turn with humility, "like little children", to the living Lord..." I am wondering how you define "the living Lord" (or perhaps I misread - are you quoting someone else?). I'm trying to understand what you believe to be "The Spirit" and the process through which a person directly connects to "The Spirit." I have my own understanding, and I'm needing a bit more explanation to really get what you are saying (particularly since we know already that we have different understandings of Jesus, and to me "the living Lord" is Jesus but I'm guessing that is not necessarily what you are implying here). Thanks!

AsIAm wrote:

Bob, this is interesting and I would agree for the most part. But I would not call this a simple explanation that an 11-year-old would understand (as you requested from Geoff in another current discussion). How about: "'Spirit' is the vibration that was, is and always will be the creative force underlying all of life and existence." That's simply said. Would you go with that?

Yes, I would agree with that; but it must also be stated and understood that this VIBRATION is within/upon our BREATH. It is this which gives us life, and which we should KNOW and be 'AT-ONE' with.

You also say above: "yet they will never discover the Primordial and Pure (etheral) Vibration of God (the Spirit) unless they turn with humility, "like little children", to the living Lord..." I am wondering how you define "the living Lord" (or perhaps I misread - are you quoting someone else?). I'm trying to understand what you believe to be "The Spirit" and the process through which a person directly connects to "The Spirit." I have my own understanding, and I'm needing a bit more explanation to really get what you are saying (particularly since we know already that we have different understandings of Jesus, and to me "the living Lord" is Jesus but I'm guessing that is not necessarily what you are implying here). Thanks!

I understand that Yehoshua had disciples who followed Him 2,000 years ago (when he was LIVING ON EARTH i.e. a living Master), and to whom He revealed great Mysteries in private - things which must not be revealed to "outsiders". Now, even though the orthodox canonical New Testament has gone through a rigid editing process which tried to exclude any such references to secret knowledge (gnosis), there still remains a few allusions to it. (I will quote them if you wish). This sacred Knowledge is only available (as far as I know) through a 'living' Master by way of INITIATION (the NT/Yehoshua calls it "FIRE" BAPTISM ~ Matthew 3:11 & Acts 2:3). This INITIATION/BAPTISM reveals a very practical method of Mystic Meditation on the four attributes of Mystic LIFE (i.e. LIGHT, SOUND, NAME, & NECTAR - called the fourfold path by Buddha - but misunderstood by most Buddhists).

By having a genuine 'living' Spiritual Guide/Teacher/Initiator, who can reveal this Mystic Knowledge in a very practical way, eliminates all necessity for any intellectual capability - it is not a method of reading or study or any kind of intellectual process - it is purely PRACTICAL = "hands on" MEDITATION.

Simple enough for a child to practice.

Hope you understand ~ Bob

Admin wrote:I understand that Yehoshua had disciples who followed Him 2,000 years ago (when he was LIVING ON EARTH i.e. a living Master), and to whom He revealed great Mysteries in private - things which must not be revealed to "outsiders". Now, even though the orthodox canonical New Testament has gone through a rigid editing process which tried to exclude any such references to secret knowledge (gnosis), there still remains a few allusions to it. (I will quote them if you wish). This sacred Knowledge is only available (as far as I know) through a 'living' Master by way of INITIATION (the NT/Yehoshua calls it "FIRE" BAPTISM ~ Matthew 3:11 & Acts 2:3). This INITIATION/BAPTISM reveals a very practical method of Mystic Meditation on the four attributes of Mystic LIFE (i.e. LIGHT, SOUND, NAME, & NECTAR - called the fourfold path by Buddha - but misunderstood by most Buddhists).

By having a genuine 'living' Spiritual Guide/Teacher/Initiator, who can reveal this Mystic Knowledge in a very practical way, eliminates all necessity for any intellectual capability - it is not a method of reading or study or any kind of intellectual process - it is purely PRACTICAL = "hands on" MEDITATION.

Simple enough for a child to practice.

Hope you understand ~ Bob

So when you say "Living Lord" you are referring to this "genuine 'living' Spiritual Guide/Teacher/INitiator"? I am understanding you now. I have a little different understanding myself, but that's fine. I'm coming to better understand your points, thanks for explaining again. (Sometimes it takes a few times to grasp a new concept).

One more question if I may: regarding the four attributes of Mystic LIFE: I understand LIGHT, SOUND and NAME. What is the NECTAR?

AsIAm wrote:So when you say "Living Lord" you are referring to this "genuine 'living' Spiritual Guide/Teacher/INitiator"? I am understanding you now. I have a little different understanding myself, but that's fine. I'm coming to better understand your points, thanks for explaining again. (Sometimes it takes a few times to grasp a new concept).

I am sure that many people had similar troubles grasping the concept of Yehoshua being a Messiah 2,000 years ago. History repeats itself over and over.

One more question if I may: regarding the four attributes of Mystic LIFE: I understand LIGHT, SOUND and NAME. What is the NECTAR?

In the Hebrew scriptures it is known as "Manna", the NT refers to it as "living water"/"bread from Heaven", other scriptures refer to it as "ambrosia", "amrita", "nectar", etc. - it is the mystical sacred 'food'/'sustenance'.

See also HERE : http://gnosis.forumotion.com/mystic-experiences-f6/the-mystic-food-t46.htm#54

PLU ~ Bob

Divine Manna is Gnosis.

Admin wrote:I am sure that many people had similar troubles grasping the concept of Yehoshua being a Messiah 2,000 years ago. History repeats itself over and over.

Ach, you're losin' me again. As I said, although I am coming to understand your point, I don't necessarily agree with you. I think it's a stretch to compare my coming to understand your point with the difficulty that the Scribes and Pharisees had understanding who Jesus was. Either way, though, it's good conversation.

The_Passerby wrote:Divine Manna is Gnosis.

The stuff you gather and chew on. The stuff that feeds you and gives you life even in the middle of what seems like nowhere....

AsIAm wrote:

Admin wrote:I am sure that many people had similar troubles grasping the concept of Yehoshua being a Messiah 2,000 years ago. History repeats itself over and over.

Ach, you're losin' me again. As I said, although I am coming to understand your point, I don't necessarily agree with you. I think it's a stretch to compare my coming to understand your point with the difficulty that the Scribes and Pharisees had understanding who Jesus was. Either way, though, it's good conversation.

Who said anything about Scribes and Pharisees? It was not just they that did not recognise Yehoshua - I am very sure that the vast majority of ALL people around in that area, and at that time, did not recognise the living Lord

Don't imagine that he went around the streets like David Blaine, doing magic here and there; indeed, even if he had, would people have automatically believed in him? There have always been plenty of magicians.

PLU ~ Bob

I personally do not agree that there is some level of matter everywhere. There Is a place that is the origin of all light and sound. perhaps matter it self is a way of God experiencing itself?