forgivness

by sopherim7 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:23 pm

forgiveness sunny

what does this word mean to you? have you achieved this in your life?Not just for others,but towards your own being.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4VMZb8wLY&feature=related

flower

Sopherim

by Admin on Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:00 am

sopherim7 wrote:forgiveness what does this word mean to you? have you achieved this in your life?Not just for others,but towards your own being.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4VMZb8wLY&feature=related

Sopherim

I have often thought of how I would feel / behave if someone did something terrible to my young son - I mean like murder him or something on that scale.

My reasoning has been that I should not think of him as any different than any other child who I do not even know. When one knows that there is no such thing as death in REALITY, and that all life passes on and on to the creator, then one should not mourn over death, but accept it as a release from this world. Sometimes I think it might be better for little children to die now, than face the inevitable and terrible problems that this world is heading for.

But then, of course, words are easy to say. I really have no idea if my forgiveness in such a circumstance would come as easily as my words ~ I think not!

PLU ~ Bob Very Happy

by sopherim7 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:22 am

i know exactley what you are saying,as i have often wonderd if i have done a disservice to my chiildren by bringing them hear ,and often i think how much safer and happier they would be in the arms of God. then there are those nights i am sure every parent has gone thru ,for some reason a horrid fear grips my heart and i think about all those terriable what ifs,myex used to say i will kill any mother@$@$@# who harms my children or steals and destroys their innocence and sit in jail fully satisfied. and i agreed with him. a couple of years ago a man came into an amish community and went into a school house and shot and killed 5 or 6 children, the world was so astounded when the forgave him and his family very publically and on top of that set up a fund for his children and wife left behind ,and have embraced them and love. that was so amazing. i know i do not have that ability .that would have to be something God thru his grace would have to do in and thru me

by theeternaliam on Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:53 am

I think what makes forgiveness easy is when one recognizes that what one holds dear is Imperishable, Impenetrable, Inconquerable, etc. To not forgive may imply that you believe it is possible to Lack, or that your treasure is stored in the perishable. Nevertheless, even w/ this intellectual realization I still find it difficult not to hold a grudge against those who have evil intent. But it becomes easier when I remember I can't judge, that it isn't even really possible for me to judge and that the Holy God is the True Vindicator

by angelfire on Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:27 pm

sopherim7 wrote:i know exactley what you are saying,as i have often wonderd if i have done a disservice to my chiildren by bringing them hear ,and often i think how much safer and happier they would be in the arms of God. then there are those nights i am sure every parent has gone thru ,for some reason a horrid fear grips my heart and i think about all those terriable what ifs,myex used to say i will kill any mother@$@$@# who harms my children or steals and destroys their innocence and sit in jail fully satisfied. and i agreed with him. a couple of years ago a man came into an amish community and went into a school house and shot and killed 5 or 6 children, the world was so astounded when the forgave him and his family very publically and on top of that set up a fund for his children and wife left behind ,and have embraced them and love. that was so amazing. i know i do not have that ability .that would have to be something God thru his grace would have to do in and thru me

What defeatist attitudes you guys are displaying. Your children are always safe in God, they can never be seperate and apart from him. You are judging by appearances, and this Christ told us not to do. Not one of us is in a body, the body that we perceive of as
ours,is in our mind. We have never really left the Fathers house, except in our mind. To bring forth into manifestation the truth
of them, eveyday remind yourself, "Thank you Father that my children are always safe in you". You could pray and ask God to keep them safe, but you would be praying for something that is already a Spiritual Truth.

I'm guessing by now that your thinking, but what about all those children that were killed. The fact is, for those children to be killed,
they would have first had to be here. The world that we see and interact with, is a world of the senses, a false world, a mental world. The world that God created in Genisis 1, is still the only real world, and its a spiritual world. This is the world we belong in, in
this world we have dominion, which we were given in the beginning by the Father.

Every thought we think, every word we utter, is in one way or another either taking us closer to dominion, or taking us further away,
we get to choose.

peace

by sopherim7 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:43 pm

angel fire, yes i agree with you ,keeping in mind this is an evil world with evil people who do evil to children. keeping in mind also that in this false world bad things happen to good people ,and when a child is being raped while being strangeld to death i can assure you the pain and suffering is very real, spititual truth and the phisical reality to most people are 2 different exsistences, really,do you have children? i pray with my children and for my children,after GOD that is where my life i centered . to bring them up in the way of christ and set a foundation for them to come to gnosis. this world is evil and corrupt, and my kids are physically here and they need to be in the protection of truth. but that does not negate the facts as were stated above ,nor does that mean nothing bad will ever happen to innocent children, and in that case again i say that i am sad to have brought such beauty hear to an evil greedy wold of physical exsistance. it does not mean i regret there birth or walk in fear of what if we !were hyperbolising

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by Vivamis123 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:14 am

I don't really believe in forgiveness. To Forgive would mean to judge something as wrong....in the bigger picture there is nothing "wrong". True "forgiveness" therefore means to me to see the blessing (perfection) behind every expereince.

As a child I was sexually molested by my father and my ex-husband was physically abusive....but I am who I am today ...because of every expereince. Most of us only grow or feel triggered to grow through pain...is then that which causes pain...really something "bad"?

Besides, who makes the rules...what is good and what is bad?

If God is all there IS...does God not take up all space? If God is perfect....is not everything...perfect? It is only when our focus of attention is on a part and not the whole that it seems to be something missing.

by The_Passerby on Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:28 am

Vivamis123 wrote:I don't really believe in forgiveness. To Forgive would mean to judge something as wrong....in the bigger picture there is nothing "wrong". True "forgiveness" therefore means to me to see the blessing (perfection) behind every expereince.

As a child I was sexually molested by my father and my ex-husband was physically abusive....but I am who I am today ...because of every expereince. Most of us only grow or feel triggered to grow through pain...is then that which causes pain...really something "bad"?

Besides, who makes the rules...what is good and what is bad?

If God is all there IS...does God not take up all space? If God is perfect....is not everything...perfect? It is only when our focus of attention is on a part and not the whole that it seems to be something missing.

Perfection is a interesting concept. While God is perfect, and while it is true that nothing can exist a part from God -- it is more relevant to life to say we are imbued with that spiritual DNA. This means that we are holographic embodiments. This does not mean we are perfect, or that we are complete -- or else this can become a doctrine of complacency. What it means to be in the pattern of God, is that in the omega we have a Destiny that we have yet to fulfill. This destiny is a destiny of fullness of Being.

If one could receive, we are utilizing the completion of Creator God to bring about our Destiny in the Omega. A man must Know Thy Self to know God, he must become a whole to perceive the whole as it is. A baby while growing in the womb of its mothers, knows neither parent or sibling, but it is utilizing, through a natural progression by reason of the organism of the parent and the substance from which they are becoming whole to be born (the pattern which in it contains their destiny if applied to fulfill it, to enter into rest). Then they can go about more so under their parents laws to become adults in their own right, becoming what their parents are. In fact, God is coming to know thy self through our Soul's, while our souls are coming to know thy self through us. Perfection can't exist in division -- God is perfect because God is completely harmonious, we utilize these harmonious laws to invoke harmonious development in regards our own inner divisions -- to become a ONE-NESS recognizing ONE-NESS. So saying that God is all there is true, but from another perspective the ONE is nothing without the ALL. So there is Whole and the Individual.

by The_Passerby on Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:40 am

As for forgiveness...

Yeshua said to forgive seventy times seven. To forgive is to consider and empathize with another -- true forgiveness ask for us to suspend our own perspective and with consciousness strive to understand things from different perspectives, even if it is from a opposite opinion to our owns so that we can come to understand why things have moved the manner that it has, why people are prompted to respond and act out the things they seem to do. As Yeshua said, forgive them father, they know not what they do -- so to it must be with us. Because any other way, when you judge another ignorantly, we can't help them to see themselves and we deprive ourselves from gaining the most out of a situation that can add us in growth. Most people do not do anything, they mechanically function in a sleep like state -- organic machines.

This is a reality that must be understood, most do not know why they do what they do, they only see effects but the never the cause. They are divided within themselves and are unconscious. If we forgive them, we do not return the product of division, which is evil for their divided expressions. In this way we do not entangle ourselves in their prison term, we do not make karma with them -- instead we can help them to see their selves so they can go about making the proper changes to rise above their what keeps them shackled. Give them forgiveness and peace, since they are bound by a great organic limitation and often has everything working against them seeing yourself. Be a beckon of light for them and if they deny it, you gave them peace anyways.

Forgiveness is an expression of one who is redirecting what has become attached and creates disruptions in themselves to see in a different perspective in order to round out their their perspective and give Light to those who did them wrong.

by Prism1111 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:16 am

sopherim7 wrote:forgiveness what does this word mean to you? have you achieved this in your life?Not just for others,but towards your own being.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4VMZb8wLY&feature=related

Sopherim

Sopherim indeed you have ask one of the most important questions there is for each of us to contemplate within ourselves, especially in the quest for the Fathers fulness. As Tri beings in the world we are not without need of His Graces each day, because we are Spirits that are dwelling in the mixture. Because we are not still just spirits and of this world also we are needing extra help from Him to attain the divinty still we know we have , just as Jesus did. What Christ brought us to make the evils within men of none effect, but more rathure, give us Gifts of the Father to empower Us here with thy seeking of them for that fulness, is the Pearl (Mysteries). The One Mystery that mostly encompasses the majority of the Higher Mysteries which are of the Father, and has been Performed and talked about throughout millinia is The Mystery of the forgiveness of sins (Baptism) or (Born again).
Jesus texts explain as in the blind man; it is not I that made you see but your faith. depicting the Fathers seed within each man doing the work as it grows, asking to see or be forgivin in the presence of Gods Spiriit, yes even in others, some do not know their own power to forgive themselves by the father in them.
The Mystery of the forgiveness of Sins is what keeps us in the Fathers sight within us, dividing the powers of the world from the powers of The Father.
Lu:12:52: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.

For those that seek not forgiveness on now finding the Divine within them, do you not seek to Harvest early. If one wishes to go to the Father early, that is coming out of the Body and going before the kindom of Lights on knowing that all your chores of the Father are complete. Please read and understand Pistis sophia and You will understand that you must attain and perform the Higher Mysteries to perform this. You will for sure know the Pearl.

There is a Mystery that takes away the oppurtinity to attain the kingdom of lights for those that Mock them and make ridicule. The disciple Peter Said to Christ ; Lord this woman continues to sin after being told of the mysteries of the first Mystery three times and has backslide each time, what should I do. He told him to envoke the Mystery that strips all chances of the woman from attaining anymore mysteries and the kingdom. Peter Says.. well Lord please let me try one more time for her before I should carry out that Mystery. Christ said Yes Peter please do, I was testing you to see if you had compassion for another.
This was a form of forgiveness.

Christ has said; Do all these things that I have done.
Blessed are the Mysteries of the Father...... Thank you truly

Brother Thomas...... Basketball

by Chukuma on Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:09 pm

sopherim7 wrote:forgiveness what does this word mean to you? have you achieved this in your life?Not just for others,but towards your own being.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4VMZb8wLY&feature=related

Sopherim

Reply:

Hi Soph. Very Happy

To me it is a disregarding of an offense whether it be towards one's self or another. I have not "achieved" it. There are offenses surely to come that will require forgiveness at that time.

Htp

by sopherim7 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:10 pm

i also was sexually abused,thankfully not by my dad but he beat the hell out of me ,and so did my ex ,it was the neighbor who did private grown up things to me . then when i was 12 it was 3 neighbor boys ,all older who picked me up from walking home in the rain from the pool.I as well am thankful for each experience . albeit usually not at the time.but yes they shaped my life and i am who iam . BUT.............i would endure that mental ,emotional and physical abuse and the abandonment of me and my 2 year old brother by mother at 4 all over ,and every day until i die , if that would 100%assure nothing of that sort would happen to my children. what mother would not? at the same time i say this and it is hard and painfull truth but the one thing is that i care most about is that my children experiance what they have to in order to come to the knowledge of JESUS CHRIST and enter the kingdom of hevean .
to deny the aspect of evil in this world is to live in LA LA LAND . to say that forgiveness is a judge ment that means something wrong is the right answer. EVIL IS REAL AND EVIL IS WRONG
Vivamis123 ,how can you discern true forgiveness and not really believe in forgiveness?
forgivness is critical for growth . weather you are the one giving or recieving.
who makes the rules? christ makes the rules!!! do unto others , do not hate ,be selfless in giving, if your enemy thirsts give him a drink and so on .. what is not for him is against him. to say that ,rape ,murder and the like are actions that do not require forgivnessas or they then would be labled wrong .... to me......how can i say this in love? well i am going to say that . that is a very ignorant statement !!! it is not in line with christs teachings, there are right ways and wrong ways for everything . CHRIST teaches self control of the lusts of the flesh , and i will not justify a pedifile with a statement that would elieviate that person from any wrong doing or a killer or a rapist or the thief ,or the nurse beating the crap out of someones mother in the nursing home at night .in this world there is light or dark ,good or evil to be gray or luke warm will get one spewed out as it makes one sick to the stomach . we are in a very real unseen battle right now and we must differentiate between evil and good

by The_Passerby on Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:44 pm

Forgiveness is so important on many levels, especially if you understand the reality of the Laws in regards their movement upon man. From a Karmic position forgiveness is SO important and vital, from a Enlightened position forgiveness for another is a sign of wisdom -- it is a sign of one growing in divinity or rather WHOLENESS.

Yeshua said to be Perfect as your Heavenly Father is Perfect -- this is something to strive for, to discern another and perceive the reality of their condition and strive for them to see their own selves through your insight and send them forgiveness. Because it is not correct to judge ignorantly or negatively in others natures that one possesses themselves, even though they may be active in other areas. Don't return evil for evil, man is mechanical and errors repeatedly unconsciously. When you judge something in another without understanding it you in a way condemn an aspect of yourself and you may have to become that which you condemned (be put into a karmic prison of experiences from the polarity you rejected and condemned).

Forgive those who hurt you, pray for those who have done you wrong.

by The_Passerby on Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:51 pm

sopherim7 wrote:i also was sexually abused,thankfully not by my dad but he beat the hell out of me ,and so did my ex ,it was the neighbor who did private grown up things to me . then when i was 12 it was 3 neighbor boys ,all older who picked me up from walking home in the rain from the pool.I as well am thankful for each experience . albeit usually not at the time.but yes they shaped my life and i am who iam . BUT.............i would endure that mental ,emotional and physical abuse and the abandonment of me and my 2 year old brother by mother at 4 all over ,and every day until i die , if that would 100%assure nothing of that sort would happen to my children. what mother would not? at the same time i say this and it is hard and painfull truth but the one thing is that i care most about is that my children experiance what they have to in order to come to the knowledge of JESUS CHRIST and enter the kingdom of hevean .
to deny the aspect of evil in this world is to live in LA LA LAND . to say that forgiveness is a judge ment that means something wrong is the right answer. EVIL IS REAL AND EVIL IS WRONG
Vivamis123 ,how can you discern true forgiveness and not really believe in forgiveness?
forgivness is critical for growth . weather you are the one giving or recieving.
who makes the rules? christ makes the rules!!! do unto others , do not hate ,be selfless in giving, if your enemy thirsts give him a drink and so on .. what is not for him is against him. to say that ,rape ,murder and the like are actions that do not require forgivnessas or they then would be labled wrong .... to me......how can i say this in love? well i am going to say that . that is a very ignorant statement !!! it is not in line with christs teachings, there are right ways and wrong ways for everything . CHRIST teaches self control of the lusts of the flesh , and i will not justify a pedifile with a statement that would elieviate that person from any wrong doing or a killer or a rapist or the thief ,or the nurse beating the crap out of someones mother in the nursing home at night .in this world there is light or dark ,good or evil to be gray or luke warm will get one spewed out as it makes one sick to the stomach . we are in a very real unseen battle right now and we must differentiate between evil and good

I can not say that Yeshua created the rules...he didn't make the rules, these are the Laws of Life. These are the LAWS, Yeshua said what he did because he could perceive beyond the physical and see what the result of judgments in ignorance and etc breeds on many levels. God set laws which would move all things to their completion, Yeshua was bringing these Laws to the knowledge of the people so that they could begin to release themselves and utilize these laws rather than be utilized by them no longer to be slaves in bondage -- but children of the Real -- the promise -- the Awake. There is a reason why all these things occur and it would be advantageous to understand why.

by sopherim7 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:58 pm

The_Passerby wrote:
sopherim7 wrote:i also was sexually abused,thankfully not by my dad but he beat the hell out of me ,and so did my ex ,it was the neighbor who did private grown up things to me . then when i was 12 it was 3 neighbor boys ,all older who picked me up from walking home in the rain from the pool.I as well am thankful for each experience . albeit usually not at the time.but yes they shaped my life and i am who iam . BUT.............i would endure that mental ,emotional and physical abuse and the abandonment of me and my 2 year old brother by mother at 4 all over ,and every day until i die , if that would 100%assure nothing of that sort would happen to my children. what mother would not? at the same time i say this and it is hard and painfull truth but the one thing is that i care most about is that my children experiance what they have to in order to come to the knowledge of JESUS CHRIST and enter the kingdom of hevean .
to deny the aspect of evil in this world is to live in LA LA LAND . to say that forgiveness is a judge ment that means something wrong is the right answer. EVIL IS REAL AND EVIL IS WRONG
Vivamis123 ,how can you discern true forgiveness and not really believe in forgiveness?
forgivness is critical for growth . weather you are the one giving or recieving.
who makes the rules? christ makes the rules!!! do unto others , do not hate ,be selfless in giving, if your enemy thirsts give him a drink and so on .. what is not for him is against him. to say that ,rape ,murder and the like are actions that do not require forgivnessas or they then would be labled wrong .... to me......how can i say this in love? well i am going to say that . that is a very ignorant statement !!! it is not in line with christs teachings, there are right ways and wrong ways for everything . CHRIST teaches self control of the lusts of the flesh , and i will not justify a pedifile with a statement that would elieviate that person from any wrong doing or a killer or a rapist or the thief ,or the nurse beating the crap out of someones mother in the nursing home at night .in this world there is light or dark ,good or evil to be gray or luke warm will get one spewed out as it makes one sick to the stomach . we are in a very real unseen battle right now and we must differentiate between evil and good

I can not say that Yeshua created the rules...he didn't make the rules, these are the Laws of Life. These are the LAWS, Yeshua said what he did because he could perceive beyond the physical and see what the result of judgments in ignorance and etc breeds on many levels. God set laws which would move all things to their completion, Yeshua was bringing these Laws to the knowledge of the people so that they could begin to release themselves and utilize these laws rather than be utilized by them no longer to be slaves in bondage -- but children of the Real -- the promise -- the Awake. There is a reason why all these things occur and it would be advantageous to understand why.

yes, i agree these are laws of life , but i was trying to make a statement . there is right and wrong, good and evil light and dark it is up to us ,whom and what we shall serve ,there is absolutely no room for indifference on this,one might as well condone evil if they are going to have that attitude. every thing you said passerby is so true, i marvel at your insight sometimes....well alot! you do make a great point , viv touched on it as well ,but i do not agree with what was said about forgivness as i said above

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