Re: forgivness

by sopherim7 on Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:37 pm

Vivamis123 wrote:"Hold firm within yourselves the Good things that come your way of the father, and when the times of enduring come upon you do not let them change your glory within you that you have found and await those times that Build you within the Father again in Peace , not giving thought to that which is not of the father".

Wise words indeed. That which is not..is not...unless we take thought.

it seems that you are suggesting that god wants us to ignore evil.
from this quote you post ,what is being said is that we need to meditate on what god has done for us ,in us with his love especially in times of suffering. that which is not of the father, is evil , there fore it is not being ignored. we are not, as his children to think of evil or have evil in our heart as those who are not of the father, meaning we are to meditate on him, and keep from evil

by The_Passerby on Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:41 am

Viv, is telling you not to think about such things, because we make them exist by thinking. The New Age mindset believes if you don't believe in something then it doesn't exist and doesn't apply to you. That there is requirements if you think there is, that a man is mechanical if you think there is, life has challenges if you think there is, there are laws if you think there is, that there is the negative if you think there is and this is all rhetoric and empty. The New Age mindset sees a male and female and instead of bringing them into harmony they banish the female and take the male. Negation and Non discernment is their mindset. In The New Age mindset they propose that if you had a schoolhouse, that it makes sense to put all students into a single grade and level regardless of their maturity of mind and development of mental and physical faculties. That school should not have levels of progression and there is only levels of progression needed if you think there is.

The fact is what is being said is that man capture every thought and make them obedient to the will of God, to an indivisible will. Viv doesn't understand that a man does not think -- that he is only autopilot and is mechanical and his thinking is earth-bound under a force upon the mind which keeps his thoughts pushing back to the earth, like a sort of gravity over the mind. He does not have original thought, to have original thought would mean that a man works from within himself to without, rather than his reality being what the world has invoked in him. His thoughts are the worlds and other things, nothing that originates within himself. His reality is this because he is a divided within himself. One thoughts most be evolved in mind.

by Prism1111 on Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:05 am

No Sopherim, what Christ is saying the the Father is everything that is, in every realm that could possible be and be created, good, bad, by our standards, our dreams wants and fears etc everything is under the Fathers creation. We can only learn of what the father creats and that yes we are apart of also..and may attain the same potential of knowledge, but never equaling his power over us only. In the scripture, I`ll make so we may understand. Did not we or our children have fear of riding a 2 wheeler before hand. Of corse we did to differant degrees, and it was of this world of things that were created. But we were taught of it and learned its potential until we now reigned over it, and taking thought of the fear of it was no more. Although the thought of knowing and understanding it was what was needed to achieve this Divinity over 2 wheelers... LOLOL cheers

We all remember our slight fear of that moment so long ago for some of us right? Did it teach us not to be so afried of things before understanding them? I hope so.. Are there things to stay away from even after understanding them......Yes there are. So by understanding things and giving proper thought of all there characteristics about them to now have knowledge over them whether or not they are going to be fitting for your point of view to do as you will is the Key of knowing thyself.

Vivamis, Christ ment only taking on the thoughts of evil or the Darkside unto your soul, not all thoughts. Like the though of Loving your Brother, the thought of compassion for others, thoughts are a result of thinking in an additive way to bring about a larger truth from that which you started on. I agree to much thought may bring about worry, so who shall decide when to stop thinking and act, we do , with God in us of corse that is a givin.

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