Re: WHAT IS MEDITATION ?

by Vivamis123 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:42 pm

I can relate to that rmcdra and great question: How do we distinguish between divine experience or imagination or memory? Is not everything within mind? Consciousness? If I can perceive it....

The "Real" is beyond mind.

by sopherim7 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:42 am

here is a great link to an awesome site you guys will really dig the info there ,this link is to a specific meditation .
http://www.inner.org/meditate/havayah/havayah.htm

but there is so much other AWESOME info there about gematria, kaballah and jewish mysticism

flower

sopherim

by Admin on Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:37 am

sopherim7 wrote:here is a great link to an awesome site you guys will really dig the info there ,this link is to a specific meditation .
http://www.inner.org/meditate/havayah/havayah.htm

but there is so much other AWESOME info there about gematria, kaballah and jewish mysticism

sopherim

Thanks Soph ~ this is a great site, so I'll also enter a reference link in the RESOURCES & INFORMATION Section ("OTHER USEFUL INFO").

by Aquila on Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:48 am

Meditation is many things to me, but for me it's mostly a tool and a haven...a means to an end, and also a very comfortable place to crawl into. A date with God. It can be very pleasant or it can be a struggle, and it's obviously difficult when things aren't happening in meditation that we think should be happening, or we're just dry, or our minds are running 1000 mph. But I couldn't live without it, and I couldn't progress without it, regardless of whether I'm seeing that progress or not.

Meditation is that which burns the veils away which separate us from the Real. Not only the veils, but the karma. If time were real--which it's not--I'd say that each passing day brings me closer to merging, thanks mainly to my teacher, to the meditation and the rest of the coping tool-kit given me by her, including the Names which help keep me sane 24-7.
Aquila

by The_Passerby on Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:00 am

Meditation is passive and there is a reason why Yeshua never mentions it. It would be better if one remembered themselves -- if they triangulated the moment with conscious-awareness and breath, connecting to what is essential in themselves. I know that will sound confusing, but in all honesty meditation is passive. It is helpful, but self remembering, now that is something very important.

Yeshua spoke about how every thought, every idle word will be accountable and that one must be aware put themselves in order (the goats on one hand the sheep on the other and also that ones "eye -- I" must be single), Paul said capture every thought, James said bridle the whole body and etc, these can not be achieved through meditation. Self remembering, one sees themselves -- they see their inner divisions, they can see the movement of the laws upon their body, minds, and emotions which are shackled to many vices and associations. A man in this state feels himself, and can redirect everything that the world possesses within him, to the ideal that he desires -- moving forward in consciousness. Because a man when he sees that he is mostly absent from life, and the sum of his existence has been on autopilot, he will know that he has never truly lived before -- only in pockets. He will know that he is a slave to himself and external stimuli, which is structured and moved by mechanical laws.

by Admin on Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:45 am

The_Passerby wrote:Meditation is passive and there is a reason why Yeshua never mentions it. It would be better if one remembered themselves -- if they triangulated the moment with conscious-awareness and breath, connecting to what is essential in themselves. I know that will sound confusing, but in all honesty meditation is passive. It is helpful, but self remembering, now that is something very important.

Yes PB, I must admit that I am somewhat confused by what you say here.

The meditation which I practice does all that you say is good - it brings forth conscious-awareness, awareness of breath, and connects to what is essential within oneSELF - our true SELF - beyond mind and thought.

Also, there may be another reason why Yehoshua never mentions meditation as such (although he does mention going alone to 'pray' within one's private chamber - and he himself goes into the desert to be alone). If you add together all the words that are reported to be spoken by Him during His lifetime here on Earth, even adding those from all the non-canonical books, you will find that they amount to no more than can be read or spoken in a couple of hours! This, I calculated, would be less than 0.05% of all He would have said during His 3 year teaching mission!

So, quite obviously, we actually know very little of what Yehoshua would have taught - especially the more intimate details reserved for the initiates.

PLU ~ Bob Very Happy

by The_Passerby on Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:22 am

I'm not bad mouthing meditation, it is good -- but it is not a essential aspect of seeking. I used to meditate all the time, in my meditation and I had MANY experiences, some I can't really discuss.

However, I do not meditate as much anymore. Yes one can see the light, but you can't become it through meditation. What I am referring to in self remembering, which Gurdjieff relates and what the scriptures relate is something that far exceeds passive meditation especially if you see that you operate in life mostly in sleep -- on autopilot or unconscious.

WHAT IS MEDITATION ?