Yetziratic Projection

One of the best tools at a gnostic's disposal is Astral Projecting.

The constant struggle to achieve the projection of the astral double from the physical body with full concious faculties intact is a favorite tool of mine, and I am working on doing concentration excersizes more to improve this ability.

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While I have had many spontaneous psychic expereinces, I have never been too good at consciously triggering them. I try to mediate, but I either fall asleep or get bored. I wonder if this old dog could learn a new trick....

So, how do you do it?

I've had a few self-induced OBE's, but I don't try so hard anymore b/c I don't see how it can further me on my journey. What is the use, how can it further the gnosis experience?

To DC, the best way to induce an OBE is to rest on yer back, relax and almoost go to sleep. But at the same time, once yer relaxed enough, try to rock back and forth,imagine doing it, but not actually doing it. Mentally rock back and forth, so that yer muscles actually almost feel like they're about to move.

I truely I must say , and I also agree with DC on what use it is in ones journey in finding the pearl in our lives, why would one want to try leaving without finding it yet.
In the actual discription as is mentioned here of what one seeks to make happen and experiance, without Highly being with the father and the parents may prove to be extremely dangerous to your soul and its will of staying with the Light.
But if one wishes to journey this avenue, Christ tells of it comepletely in Pistis Sophia also, it is one of the most highest Mysteries there is, and I myself only consider to be a novice in my short time of understanding his Mysteries and performing them with only a few at this time. This do take all you got within you. These are the Gifts the Father allows us by the son through the parents to apply from the Fulness we gather and achieve in Life. The Mystery results in Coming out of the body at your own Direction and Go unto the treasury of light to pass before all the Rullers and the Arcons. To me, one must be saying, Lord my work here from your direction is done, and its time. Yes its possible, but as Jesus says Not to be play acting by no means. He who heres ... better listen. JC.
I am sure to Know I`m not even close to dable with that yet .. from His agreement with me know...LOL truely wow...

Patience in virtue Friends
Brother Thomas

theeternaliam wrote:I've had a few self-induced OBE's, but I don't try so hard anymore b/c I don't see how it can further me on my journey. What is the use, how can it further the gnosis experience?

I entirely agree with you. The true Spiritual experience is WITHIN ~ so why go "astral travelling"? Imo it is merely another side track ~ which might even be a dangerous one.

PLU

Apakhana



can you do it?

I've had a feeling that practicing subtle body "experiences" was a way to strengthen one's consciousness on the subtle body, so eventually one could slip into it at will, and especially at death. I think the motivation for me doing it before was a feeling that I couldn't be saved from this world until I could finally break free from my body, so that way at death I wouldn't come back. Also, during a self-induced OBE(and lucid dreaming, as well)one almost falls into the dreams of subconscious, but by an effort of intention and will you remain conscious(er). I sometimes feel if I can "wake up" in my dreams then it would be good practice of "waking up" to fuller consciousness. As i said in another post, though, this desire often causes me to feel I lack something and I must do something to achieve something. If Jesus Christ already put the archons under His Dominion, what more should I do, for His Will is My Will. Or is this a metaphor/allegory for something we all must accomplish to be Christed beings? This brings back the question, is salvation something we must attain ourselves through Power of Our Father, or has our brother Jesus the Christ accomplished all for us and should we just gladly accept salvation as a gift? This is a big question for me at this time, for sometimes I feel as if I'm shirking my responsibilities by not doing certain things, not being "perfect" as our Father in Heaven, but this may just be the activity of the Accuser/ego. In my opinion, though, I agree with the latter, that, salvation has been procured for us by our Brother through the Father, and this is one reason I often agree more w/ Traditional Christianity, although I actually "started" on The Path as a "gnostic"(not saying that I'm not a gnostic, whatever that means.) Essentially, is there anything more we need do than simply accept salvation?

theeternaliam wrote:I've had a feeling that practicing subtle body "experiences" was a way to strengthen one's consciousness on the subtle body, so eventually one could slip into it at will, and especially at death. I think the motivation for me doing it before was a feeling that I couldn't be saved from this world until I could finally break free from my body, so that way at death I wouldn't come back. Also, during a self-induced OBE(and lucid dreaming, as well)one almost falls into the dreams of subconscious, but by an effort of intention and will you remain conscious(er). I sometimes feel if I can "wake up" in my dreams then it would be good practice of "waking up" to fuller consciousness. As i said in another post, though, this desire often causes me to feel I lack something and I must do something to achieve something. If Jesus Christ already put the archons under His Dominion, what more should I do, for His Will is My Will. Or is this a metaphor/allegory for something we all must accomplish to be Christed beings? This brings back the question, is salvation something we must attain ourselves through Power of Our Father, or has our brother Jesus the Christ accomplished all for us and should we just gladly accept salvation as a gift? This is a big question for me at this time, for sometimes I feel as if I'm shirking my responsibilities by not doing certain things, not being "perfect" as our Father in Heaven, but this may just be the activity of the Accuser/ego. In my opinion, though, I agree with the latter, that, salvation has been procured for us by our Brother through the Father, and this is one reason I often agree more w/ Traditional Christianity, although I actually "started" on The Path as a "gnostic"(not saying that I'm not a gnostic, whatever that means.) Essentially, is there anything more we need do than simply accept salvation?

No one can accomplish our Salvation (i.e. unity with Elohim ~ the SPIRIT) for us, it is for each of us to do for ourselves. This does not mean that we will recieve no help ~ that, imo, is why the Masters / Teachers come to Earth.

PLU ~ Bob

Apakhana(or anybody else w/ experience on this subject), I was kinda interested in what you feel astral projection accomplishes, and how it does this?

Hi everyone,

Yes, I have experienced astral projection, as well as a wonderful experience with causality where there seems to be no ego attachment to anything whatsoever. You are more clear headed and can hear you being alot easier; words fail to describe this spiritual experience so that description ends here.

This personal experience with causal reality, for me, adds truth to the teaching that the egos we create can not exist or have no strength in this higher plane because they are mental/psychological in nature and attach to us via the Daath point, a point where certain things come into our minds. The dimension of cause is beyond mental idea-form.

Regarding astral dimensions;

Speaking from my experience, it is one of the best tools the student has at their disposal because it is a way too see things from "behind the scenes." It eliminates the fear of death and through this gnosis/experience we come to realize that we absolutely are not all the things we think we are, like our personality and our egos.

We can see just how much we actually don't know regarding the nature of life and it's mysteries.

If you understand the structure of creation, we are all multidimensional beings and exist in all dimensions of astral, mental and causal at the same time. The problem is that we are usually only concerned with what our physical brain interprets from stimuli of the physical world.

We can recieve teachings from the astral world and be shown things or taken somewhere that we can't normally see in the physical world, like the akashic records people speak of (although I've never found them yet and other people's stories reflect the uncertain, easily mis-interpreted nature of the records- like where someone may literally see a great flood in the past, another will not interpret this literally but it actually means something else. The achetypical symbol people assign to the event of a flood might actually be something completely different that happened in the past).

I have noticed that the subconcious likes to "fill in the blanks" and put things into the experience that don't exist in the physical world, like a window or a changed landscape. Machines seem to work according to the same laws of the physical world, albeit for the simple fact we expect them too.
It is easy for me to fall into a dream if I'm not aware, so the practice of waking up the awareness throughout the day is vital to any astral experience, in my case.

Some people seem to confuse lucid dreaming with astral projection but after you experience it there is no mistaking the experience for what it is.

There's a million different techniques to do it and it's up to the individual to find out what works best, but in my case, staying aware and concious in the day keeps the awareness sharp while dreaming and we can ask ourselves where we really are and then sometimes wake up outside our physical organism.

A tip: If you ever do it (or do it again) then don't think about your physical body or remain near it because there is the tendency to get sucked right back in.

Alot of people become afraid to practice projection because they are limited by ridiculous beliefs that say it doesn't exist or that the student shouldn't do it. This mentality comes from people that have never done it themselves and profess to know truth when the fact is that they have no idea what they are talking about.

Gnosis is about experience. If people spend all their time talking about things like astral travel and why they should do it, then they waste their time and never truly "know" anything.

Is astral projectio a more advanced form of an induced OBE? I don't thik I've actually experienced such an in-depth experience as the one you explained, I usually "snapped back" after a few minutes. I feel some people may take the Astral Realm as more real than this realm or any realm. To me, it seems similar to hallucinoges in that way. But, I really don't have much experience, so maybe just bias.

To me, they are two different ways of describing the same thing.

Generally, an OBE could be the consciousness existing in any dimension separate from the one our organism percieves, and astral projection is strictly that speciffic dimension.

As far as it being a good tool to use or not, you basically get what you put into it and a half-hearted attempt usually yeilds low results. Such is my experience.
If you use hallucinogens you are interfering with your awareness in the experience, despite the way the drug may cause you to feel or think otherwise, so you don't get a clear understanding of what's happening.

In my opinion, which doesn't matter, I would only reserve the use of natural drugs to a shaman or someone that knows what they are doing and understands what they recieve from the experience.

As far as an astral projection being more "real" - it definately feels that way because the mind is more concentrated and aware than the usual psychologicaly asleep daydream we are usually in during the waking periods of the day.
When we put in alot of work on ourselves to radically change internally, we can see that our awareness is able to open up to what is defined as "real" during everyday living. This involves getting rid of all the banter in one's head that constantly demands attention, like a song that plays over and over or compulsive thoughts of lust, anger, doubt, etc...

Most the time for me, there was that "snap-back" after a seemingly all-to-short period. It takes alot or work to overcome the impatience and laziness, I still have, to really experience the phenomena in a clear and aware state.

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Hello people, I don`t doubt for a sec that many have experianced here a Spiritual projection, transformation, etc. In fact I have just talked with a young girl that swears she believes in Jesus Christ , God and also works with Wicca spells, sees the dead, and other spirits that are as real as you and I are in the Body walking around every day with her, and every variation. most interesting to try and figure out on the basis of the logos of God.

There are certain questions when talking to ones going through such wide ranging attributes within the world that was created for fixing the defiency thru Gods Logos only. Everything else is an illusion a bad joke being played on Gods Children to keep them ocuppied away from Pearl that solves this.
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The questions are; Do you feel that you have achieved the Path to utter salvation and know it, not kinda know it but truely know it, from the experiance you became one with?

Was this path shown to You by Christ from your asking, and He apart of your every being while trying to Live out this experiance and seeing in a glimps what He himself went through?

Did Christ Help You to return to your starting position and retain all that you lived with an incredible clearity that will be in you for eternity.

Was this experiance Finding the inner most inner within you, due to the body had to be your vessal that was created for this reason and the experiance you could only travel this in.
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when talking to those in a loving way only to help unwind the mystic questions they are being wraped in. All the time the aswer is no , none of the above...lol Kind of funny that phrase came to me. They have more questions then answers. They have No idea what they were seeing or doing, but they knew they could do it again or rather let it happen again. It seemed also greater than their Mortal existance in this world, thus assumeing it had to be greater and therefore something to be sought after.

Why was a divine piece of the ineffable Father put into so many Bodys with souls only to have them flee out again, with a wee bit effert. So many masters as Christ where placed here to bring such a divine message to all those in the body. Aparantly there is something we must do while being in the body that is of such celestrial importance, for all this to be. Yes in deed. He told his disciples, and I also am witness from none scriptured awareness for 30 years knowing this that when one is able in all things, and can bring Heaven down to earth, for then You will truely see the Logos you were made for. This doesn`t happen the other way,, by going up and escaping the mixture, we have the power to overcome the Mixure and purify it, all of it..... How strong can one be.. this is what the Son came here for, to teach us this Glory of the Father.

Or he would have sucked us up and told us that, and saved a whole lot of dieing.
What I say here is known by many;;; Take the phrase from Neil Young song " heart of Gold" I live alone in a paradise that makes me think of two. Doing for others is the key to fulness by sharing the the light of God thats in you. Towards the end of the age, before the consumation it will be getting harder and harder to recognize the return of your planted seeds of the Father. As long as one is out of the body, you have taken yourself out of loop so to speak. You could not even gather anything within this world, due to not being here. A bit of come sence in this also. Is it rough in this world,,, LOL ohh yaa Thats why I laugh is it boring sometimes , yes thats why I tell stories that are all true, cause God have givin me a very busy and full life as to be up in my Word, as Jimmi Hendrix has sung... and this is not our fate. Live life to the fullest... or rathur the fulness same o same o... Friends.

See with all this space traveling I was reading and the mention of Christ did not appear once... so with the help of the Parents to clue me into the changing Gnosis of our times now within, and for His Children with Love always, I had to relate these truths that I know are true indeed , and hope they can be recieved by the Spiritual light among men to be considered for discernment with also the Parents wisdom (Holy Spirit).

Does Christ talk of coming out of the body by our own choosing , Yes he does. In Pistis Sophia if one has attain in all manners and performed all of the Higher Mysteries of the father, and completed all the task to which you were sent here to perform for Him, in the body, One can release themselves and go directly to kingdom of Lights By the Highest Mystery of the ineffable. This is a one time deal only so be sure that all is accomplished and you will attain the inheritance desirving of what you are about in the Father.
The disciples were disturbed at hearing this, with having complete responsibility over all thier destiny, but never the less true.
For the most, endure in the Body till the contest is complete.. Jesus Christ

Patience in understanding...

Brother Thomas

I'd have to agree w/ you Prism, I see no point in practicing such things anymore. Mayebit was some sort of practice for the final laying of the body, though, I dont know. One thing, it kinda caused a sort of pride in "myy own abilities", and a feling that I lack if I couldnt achieve it again. Funny, though, I still have the desire to attemp this kinda ting again, and lucid dreaming as well. Is it the Spirit urging me, or the counterfeit spirit? Hmmmm, I think I'll be patient and Let God.

Although, I think you get the impression that it's ones soul that leaves the body, I don't thimk this is what it is(unless one's soul leaves during dream states). I fel it's something else, for sometimes(one time to be specific ) it seems like there's more than2 or 3 bodies even. I don't think it really helped in the recognition of God, so I don't feel it's too worthy. I don't know what the practical uses of it is. It sorta reminds me of a saying by Jesus Christ about the elementary principles of the world(Ican't remeber, maybe someone here knows the full quote) and leaving them be for the worldly folk.

"Do you feel that you have achieved the Path to utter salvation and know it, not kinda know it but truely know it, from the experiance you became one with?"

Thank you for the reminder, I can't honestly say that inducing an out-of-body experience on my own will lead me to salvation. I'll keep faith the Christ has already done this for me.

May peace be with you.

Quite simply, one must be very careful that one does not get deluded into believing that 'psychic' experiences are in any way Spiritual. Many people believe that 'out of body' experiences, or 'feeling vibrations'/'seeing visions' from some past activity, or 'seeing spirits of the dead', etc., are Spiritual ~ they are not!

PLU ~ Bob