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Post by The_Passerby on Mon May 19, 2008 12:22 pm

I sometimes think of the Jesus-God created at the Nicea Assembly, which imo, is a pagan Idol of Rome which is a result of a great corruption. How much this Jesus-God which is not the same as Yeshua our Elder Brother, I can say for certain that this false Jesus has helped many people. At that level, when they go to church and praise Jesus, many conform their lives and are able to escape their addictions, to some capacity. And this is really good and at their level without the Jesus-God creation and their elementary doctrine they would not have the necessary support or things that are reflective at their level to help conform them.

Without the Jesus-God many of them would be helpless to their own earthly nature. Not to say they aren't, but that they are able to abstain from things which are terrible. Many drug addicts and such have turned a new leaf when they accepted the Jesus-God in their life. And although this "Jesus" is really a result of corruption and removal of higher concepts (along with actually attempting to erase them through genocide), it doesn't mean that this can not be useful to someone.

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Christians better than Pharisees ?

Post by Admin on Mon May 19, 2008 1:57 pm

The_Passerby wrote:I sometimes think of the Jesus-God created at the Nicea Assembly, which imo, is a pagan Idol of Rome which is a result of a great corruption. How much this Jesus-God which is not the same as Yeshua our Elder Brother, I can say for certain that this false Jesus has helped many people. At that level, when they go to church and praise Jesus, many conform their lives and are able to escape their addictions, to some capacity. And this is really good and at their level without the Jesus-God creation and their elementary doctrine they would not have the necessary support or things that are reflective at their level to help conform them.

Without the Jesus-God many of them would be helpless to their own earthly nature. Not to say they aren't, but that they are able to abstain from things which are terrible. Many drug addicts and such have turned a new leaf when they accepted the Jesus-God in their life. And although this "Jesus" is really a result of corruption and removal of higher concepts (along with actually attempting to erase them through genocide), it doesn't mean that this can not be useful to someone.


I really do not know if (Paul's / corrupted 'so-called') "Christianity" has truly done more good than it has done harm. confused

Consider what Yehoshua said to the Pharisees (i.e. the 'godly' No orthodox religionists of his day, who were in no way any worse than the 'godly' orthodox "Christians" of today Rolling Eyes ) - just look at Matthew chapter 23 - a complete condemnation of orthodoxy and their Priesthood - those who misguided people away from entering the KINGDOM. How many people has the Christian church (and ALL religions) led away from SPIRITUAL TRUTH?

What could be worse than leading people away from the KINGDOM? Question

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Re: Gnostic vs. New age

Post by The_Passerby on Mon May 19, 2008 11:59 pm

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The_Passerby wrote:I sometimes think of the Jesus-God created at the Nicea Assembly, which imo, is a pagan Idol of Rome which is a result of a great corruption. How much this Jesus-God which is not the same as Yeshua our Elder Brother, I can say for certain that this false Jesus has helped many people. At that level, when they go to church and praise Jesus, many conform their lives and are able to escape their addictions, to some capacity. And this is really good and at their level without the Jesus-God creation and their elementary doctrine they would not have the necessary support or things that are reflective at their level to help conform them.

Without the Jesus-God many of them would be helpless to their own earthly nature. Not to say they aren't, but that they are able to abstain from things which are terrible. Many drug addicts and such have turned a new leaf when they accepted the Jesus-God in their life. And although this "Jesus" is really a result of corruption and removal of higher concepts (along with actually attempting to erase them through genocide), it doesn't mean that this can not be useful to someone.


I really do not know if (Paul's / corrupted 'so-called') "Christianity" has truly done more good than it has done harm. confused

Consider what Yehoshua said to the Pharisees (i.e. the 'godly' No orthodox religionists of his day, who were in no way any worse than the 'godly' orthodox "Christians" of today Rolling Eyes ) - just look at Matthew chapter 23 - a complete condemnation of orthodoxy and their Priesthood - those who misguided people away from entering the KINGDOM. How many people has the Christian church (and ALL religions) led away from SPIRITUAL TRUTH?

What could be worse than leading people away from the KINGDOM? Question

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Bob,

I know that many Christians are latter day Pharisees. When I talk, it must be noted that I attempt to perceive through many perspectives and apply empathy -- this is an important function in regards the expansion of mind. The realities of mind we all possess, while a Christian may be polarized in perspective and greatly hindered by this organic limitation, it is more important to perceive the strength and weakness of those of a pharisaic mindset then to judgment them. I seek to discern them and perceive both the "good" quality and the "bad."

Not everyone can follow higher concepts, not everyone can be a truly Spiritual Gnostic. For instance my path I would never push on anyone because many are not ready for such things. We live in a school environment, preschooler must have their preschool lessons and instructions, at their level and these elementary instructions and orders at their level fits their mental capacity, their maturity in mind (understanding etc), and really where they are physically in their growth and perception. It would be wrong to think that a preschooler should learn at a high school level, it would be wrong to place upon them things at their level would be impossible for them to carry. A man must take what he has in hand, on the level of mind and being not everyone is same. We function and operate out of different faculties of mind, some more polarized then others, some more fragmented then others, some more whole then others. Many do not understand this, and when it comes to Being, there is a great difference as well -- some have more in common with a rock then a man, with a deer than a man and some man have more in common with he Great Light of a Sun then anything on earth. And by their level of Being and their Development of mind, which the laws will support, an individual will have certain abilities of perception, understanding, and impressions which makes them able to move in direction where others can not move originally at all, to think in a evolved manner where others may not even possess a original thought, and etc.

So while the Jesus-God is a big corruption which has crippled the world and being Pharisaic, the leaders lead others into their limitation -- their illusion, the fact remains is that this corruption became of benefit and the laws which brought it about in regards the unconsciousness and divided within themselves multitude who did not possess consciousness of self or the cosmic laws which work on them and all of life, also uses it as a lower level of progression for those who are really entangled. HOWEVER it is not where one can become complete, it is only ok to a certain point until it bounds an individual and ensnares them till they physically die. BUT there are some who would not be where they are if they had not had Christianity as a foundation first and were able to move onward. I can name many people on this forum along who this has been the case with. If one has the capacity and the shock is given, then they will as a man walking up a ladder to reach the heights, will move beyond the rung of the pharisee, as they are drawn by something greater than themselves to become the truth.

I see a world filled with machines of different sorts, programmed from birth -- as the machine expands he acquires the tools which can eventually make him a real human. One man acquires thought, the other acquires emotion, the other acquires movement, the other acquires will, the other acquires consciousness, the others acquire mind, the other acquires being and there are many levels of same and many laws and barriers that exist within same. Like a school each level has a set curriculum, each a given set of test and a standard and a teacher that resides over it. Who will succeed, or who will be held back and ensnared by their lack of being and mind?

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Re: Gnostic vs. New age

Post by sopherim7 on Tue May 20, 2008 3:58 am

. BUT there are some who would not be where they are
if they had not had Christianity as a foundation first and were able to
move onward. I can name many people on this forum along who this has
been the case with. If one has the capacity and the shock is given,
then they will as a man walking up a ladder to reach the heights, will
move beyond the rung of the pharisee, as they are drawn by something
greater than themselves to become the truth........passerby


this my friend is so very true.... as i am one of these you mention above. i feel it was very important for me to be grounded in the precepts of Christianity first. or who knows where i would have ended up. as pharisaic as fundamentalist Christianity can be it was the first step to the experiences i have had with GOD. it was a back drop that allowed me to recognize his movement in my life as he woke me up and made himself known to me.then as i read the scripture it started to reveal to me that the Christianity of today was in fact to be a judisier or legalistic.THIS IS NOT THE WAY OF CHRIST.it kinda threw me off a bit and am thankfull that judgement is going to begin in the house of the lord............i have to finish this later............

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I understand what you say

Post by Admin on Tue May 20, 2008 6:19 am

Hi Passerby and Sopherim

I understand what you say, and I see that all peoples from the most ancient of times (even cavemen) have had belief systems which might be termed 'religions'. These beliefs along with conscience and thus consciousness have certainly guided mankind in a more Spiritual direction. In fact, it often seems that ancient societies had more Spiritual connection and KNOWLEDGE than we do today. Perhaps because they had not such an overpowering hierarchy demanding adherence to a particular set of beliefs, but were more in the 'experimental' and 'discovery' stage/mode, thus allowing more freedom of thought. Also, scriptures were not then in widespread use away from the hierarchy's temples, and literacy was very limited, also leaving more room for free thought.

It is when strict hierarchical religion comes into widespread rule that freedom and Spirituality suffer. This is what I see as evil, for it tries to control people, and stops them from finding God for themselves, it is merely a materialistic and ultimately evil control device.

My Master once said that it is usually far easier to reveal the Truth to someone who does not follow any religion, than to a practicing religionist. I have found this myself when posting on conservative Christian forums - like CARM.

One only has to ask - who was it that wanted Yehoshua (and all genuine Prophets) dead, if not the religionists.

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Re: Gnostic vs. New age

Post by The_Passerby on Tue May 20, 2008 7:11 am

Shalom Bob,

I understand what you say, and I see that all peoples from the most ancient of times (even cavemen) have had belief systems which might be termed 'religions'. These beliefs along with conscience and thus consciousness have certainly guided mankind in a more Spiritual direction. In fact, it often seems that ancient societies had more Spiritual connection and KNOWLEDGE than we do today. Perhaps because they had not such an overpowering hierarchy demanding adherence to a particular set of beliefs, but were more in the 'experimental' and 'discovery' stage/mode, thus allowing more freedom of thought. Also, scriptures were not then in widespread use away from the hierarchy's temples, and literacy was very limited, also leaving more room for free thought.


What I see, personally speaking is that once a system becomes revealed to the greater multitude, among individuals who are the living dead -- sleeping machines -- Divided within themselves -- the result is that such systems will eventually swallow itself. What I mean by this is they will become their opposite and turn upon their first principles, which are essential. It is the natural mechanical manner things move by mechanical laws which work upon the mind. These esoteric things become a part of the common laws of life and are subject to distortion and corruption by those whose organic consciousness is ruled over by vices and the powers of this world -- their vital energy is dispersed aboard and they do not possess the necessary energy in order to see anything above the earth-bound. They don't possess consciousness and thus what they have is intermixed with fantasy and corruption as a result of their impurity and inner divisions. It is an inevitable reality and will occur everytime without failure unless it is kept in secret and among those who are highly aware and conscious of themselves -- those that see themselves. Movements turn upon themselves first by those who are within them, it is an inevitable reality.


My Master once said that it is usually far easier to reveal the Truth to someone who does not follow any religion, than to a practicing religionist. I have found this myself when posting on conservative Christian forums - like CARM.


I agree, it is far more likely for someone without an religion to hear you out then one who is bound by one. But one without a religion and one with a religion is operating from different faculties of mind, different centers, thus having a completely different filter of belief. One without a religion has limitations just as one with has limitations as well. It will be hard press for an Atheist to be able to "feel" just as it will be hard press to find a fundi who can "think." But you were referring to one who is more agnostic. They are open because they do not stand for anything (often that they can not know for sure) and that maybe their strength but it will later become their weakness unless they can overcome the organic limitations in that mindset. As for a Christian, well... what can I say, besides they are not supposed to be open if they were then they would graduate from that level, since it would be useless to them if they did not give all of themselves to it. Christians are polarized and emotionally (by sexual energy) bound to a elemental force, a god of their own mind. If Gnostics existed as they did in the past now, they would write allegorical scriptures and use the Jesus-God, which I call the Idol of Rome as their Demiurge figure for various reasons.

One only has to ask - who was it that wanted Yehoshua (and all genuine Prophets) dead, if not the religionists.


You get no complaints from me about this. If it were even possible for Yeshua to return out in the open among the coarser vibration of this world now, fundi's would be the first to slew him.

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Gn Vs NA

Post by Prism1111 on Tue May 20, 2008 8:31 am

I truly agree that the meat and potatoes of comming to realizing our path in the celestrial mechanics of it has nothing to do with Worldly traditions at all, but rather being motivated in a positive way with the many truths of light from other souls not churches or groups. That just also happen to find the cause to manifestate thier love of God there because others have choose it also out of ease in communicating. In other words there is a proper place and time for everything, if one chooses to perpetuate that in the Father within thier lives , so shall it be. But it still was from Your choosing within you, not a Church.

The line is indeed fine to understand which way the power enlightens oneself and others, Because in truth it is actually give and take which builds the fulness we feel in Him. Thoose that are at a Church and tell others in all thier honesty, Most are geniune in what they do to the degree of Knowledge they hold, for a specific time they wish to. We all know that Mankind settles for things, to make a slight diferance, so he knows he is alive and exists from point to point as needed. In short, most achieve Par for themselves and realy don`t wish to be that out spoken soul after everyone goes Home, to alow that seed to grow, but rather relaxes and havests the Feeling of the good works they have done(they are thinking) by the acceptance of others only for some, few by God.

The ways of the power are vast without number of sequence and Cycles , within generations, and Milliniums of His logos to find as we do Day by day and moment by moment. new ones are created as man advances, seeing we Hold His seed within us. which brings us back to ourselves as He intended. Not to follow blindly words writen 1500 years ago, accept to know it is for Us now to grow from there, and only through self can it be.

Also adding that years ago people seemed more attuned to the Spiritual, is because they had fewer choices as we do nowalso. Ours are at both ends of the Spectrum virtually now. With less numbers reaching the pearl that they were distine to find, having so many things to preoccupy ones thoughts. The dark side wishes to make God a choice of the Many, rather then realizing Light or Dark, and Reigning in the light over all things.

I read an article today where Scientist have studied things and the coesmos to an indepth degree and have found no proof of God in any of it, therefore said He does not exist. How silly this men are indeed trying to prove God in just the Mortal aeon, and also Trying to prove God or Satan from their own View point, making themselves Gods of Judge of existance , how could they see a divinity in anything else but themselves.

Christ told His disciple in Pistis Sophia that there are 3 types of People in the world;
1. Those that do things of the world and all its desires and pleasures. They donot do anything that does not please them elsewhere but the world.
2. Those of the Mind, they care not for things and pleasures of the world only of litteral thought, thinking which pleases the mortal mind, and donot do anything else but that. Eistien forgot to eat and was hospitalize.
3. Those of the Elohim and the lamb, and realize what truth they are living in, and seek not in desire of anything of the other two, But only the fulness that transcends them both.

This Journey we are on is a blessed ride indeed when veiwing from the light that is within us.

Keep in shining my friends, all will be answered and more.

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Re: Gnostic vs. New age

Post by DarkChylde on Sat May 24, 2008 4:23 am

Excellent points, Bob. cheers


And Heather, you are DEFINATELY on the right path, listen to your heart, it is a very good one, I would wager on it. Wink
You are growing and learning yourself and what is around you very well, keep it up.


Also excellent points, Brother Thomas. You have a really wonderful way of putting things, keep it up! cheers
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Re: Gnostic vs. New age

Post by The_Passerby on Sat May 24, 2008 6:35 am

Heh I don't make good points I guess.

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Re: Gnostic vs. New age

Post by Admin on Sat May 24, 2008 6:49 am

The_Passerby wrote:Heh I don't make good points I guess.


You are joking, of course! clown You make excellent points, and I for one am most interested to read your views. sunny

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Gn vs. New

Post by Prism1111 on Tue May 27, 2008 2:01 am

Passerby, your spirit truly fulfills many things , and even more Hidden of the Father then any of us realize. We all play a distinct role in Time of the now, while we are advancing in the pleroma. To think anyone of the Fathers creations are not Highly important to this is falling under the deep sleep Christ has mentioned, and warned us to beware of. I also have felt this sleep to watched for and recognized in ones self.
we all have not met here by chance, for within his Light rays that have been shared many many times. ones could not stand strong to that if not meant to be , feeling whole in the enlightening process.

You now are seeing the expansion of his seed within this forum of consistant memebers, The glory in Him is not without its pitfalls in this process, but we shall seek to stand as one regardless.

Grace and Patience be strong to you Brother

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Re: Gnostic vs. New age

Post by The_Passerby on Tue May 27, 2008 7:12 am

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The_Passerby wrote:Heh I don't make good points I guess.


You are joking, of course! clown You make excellent points, and I for one am most interested to read your views. sunny

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My type of humor says sarcastic :p

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Re: Gnostic vs. New age

Post by DarkChylde on Thu May 29, 2008 2:20 am

That is so childish, Passerby, I do not know how to respond, except to tell you to take a 'time out.'

Jeesh. No I can't compliment anyone and if you are not mentioned you take insult. Get over yourself. Rolling Eyes
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Re: Gnostic vs. New age

Post by The_Passerby on Thu May 29, 2008 3:38 am

DarkChylde wrote:That is so childish, Passerby, I do not know how to respond, except to tell you to take a 'time out.'

Jeesh. No I can't compliment anyone and if you are not mentioned you take insult. Get over yourself. Rolling Eyes


No childish. I was just stating a observation sarcastically of an unseen pattern. You will al have to forgive me, with the people I interact with, we point out what we perceive in another -- although in a indirect manner so the individual can work out their own patterns and see themselves.

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Re: Gnostic vs. New age

Post by Heather on Thu May 29, 2008 5:29 am

DarkChylde wrote:Excellent points, Bob. cheers


And Heather, you are DEFINATELY on the right path, listen to your heart, it is a very good one, I would wager on it. Wink
You are growing and learning yourself and what is around you very well, keep it up.


Also excellent points, Brother Thomas. You have a really wonderful way of putting things, keep it up! cheers


Thanks, I needed a little encouragement here. I really appreciate everyone's comments and thoughts sunny

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