WAS JESUS A GNOSTIC ?

DarkChylde wrote:This is totally fascinating.
I feel that all names for God are names the son gives the father, and can't be right in itself. I sometimes refer to That Most High as 'my Father' as Yeshua did, or The ONE. But I do not really see it as having gender, so a term which uses gender (such as He, or She, or Father or Mother) I think is where we went wrong to begin with. I understand the use of gender in the Kabbalistic sense (which is how I think Yeshua meant it) but I have trouble myself in how to phrase it without gender.
But to speak of it is to speak of the unspeakable anyway... Innit?

Precisely. There is no suitable pronoun (He, She, It, etc.) in the English language for Elohim / God. I guess the language was not designed to talk about the indescribable! And It's (pardon the expression) true Name is not a 'word' or external sound!

PLU

I don't know if anyone has been to this site: gnosticchristianity.com
(still too new here to do correct links)

But this author has created a very good plausible pattern of gnostic thought in relation to Christ.

For instance - the 5 states of consciousness and Non-Judgemental thinking (which I have become a firm believer in).

I found it a great foundation for 'Correct; thinking & it has helped me tremendously.

Thanx for the link, BHUman, checking it out, pretty cool!

No

Jesus Knew...

Jesus `was a prophet . the definition of gnosis is the divine revelatory knowledge of GOD in you ,

Good lookin DarkChylde. The first thing I noticed while reading
these responses was the consistant identification fo God as a he. In
fact i see it on many posts. In the gospel of the Holy 12, Yeshua
refers to our parent as either Abbaamma (mother-father or
father-mother), or the Eternal parent, never as a spaccific gender,
since Yah is neither male nore female, but is both, since they both
exist inside. This is the explination given. Here's a site you can read
that gospel: http://www.thenazareneway.com/ght_table_of_contents.htm
Wouldn't call the gospel Gnostic, but there are some definet
simalrities. The gospel is origionally in Aramaic, and is proboblly a
little less Greek than Gnosticism.

As far as Jesus being a Gnostic is concerned, I would say it's
defientlly possible in the definition given,but no such movemeant
existed in Israel at the time of Eshoo (Jesus in Aramaic). There are
different Gnostic groups, and some may be at odds with the actual
person Christ, as an historical figure. The canoical Gospel of John,
defientlly shows gnostic influence with its focus on the mystical. It
is important to note that all these scriptures have been tampered, or
have layers of symbolism, which may have little to do with the actual
Jesus, as most see him today. Many myths of Pagen (non-Jewish) origin
seem to have been mixed with the the great teachings of "the Christ".
The only clear aspect of Jesus seems to be his interpretation of Jewish
law, emphasizing love and compassion, the mystical teachings are
proboblly more symbolic, amd may not reflect the actual man we know as
Jesus.

everything&nothing wrote:Good lookin DarkChylde. The first thing I noticed while reading these responses was the consistant identification fo God as a he. In fact i see it on many posts.

The problem is that there is no satisfactory pronoun for 'God' in the English language - it would sound terrible to use "IT", instead of 'HE' or 'SHE'!

In the gospel of the Holy 12, Yeshua refers to our parent as either Abbaamma (mother-father or father-mother), or the Eternal parent, never as a spaccific gender, since Yah is neither male nore female, but is both, since they both exist inside. This is the explination given. Here's a site you can read that gospel: http://www.thenazareneway.com/ght_table_of_contents.htm
Wouldn't call the gospel Gnostic, but there are some definet simalrities. The gospel is origionally in Aramaic, and is proboblly a little less Greek than Gnosticism.

This so-called "Gospel of the Holy Twelve" is a 20 Century production and was never translated from Aramaic or found in a Tibetan Monastery as the 'author' makes out! It is simply a hoax!

As far as Jesus being a Gnostic is concerned, I would say it's defientlly possible in the definition given, but no such movemeant existed in Israel at the time of Eshoo (Jesus in Aramaic).

What about the Essenes (their 'Teacher of Righteousness'), and people like John the Baptist and Simon Magus. Gnosticism is not a 'religion' or a 'movement' so much as the individual recognition and experience of the Spirit - i.e. Mysticism.

PLU ~ Bob

Admin wrote:

This so-called "Gospel of the Holy Twelve" is a 20 Century production and was never translated from Aramaic or found in a Tibetan Monastery as the 'author' makes out! It is simply a hoax!

Hi Bob,

I read somewhere that Ouseley's work was a product of Automatic Writing. This rings true with me. A hoax on Ouseley himself perhaps?

Peace,
Mark

Admin wrote:Thus, when put together, the word (Is-ra-el) means: “Spiritual one(s) who SEE God.” From this explanation it should be quite obvious that the term does not apply to any particular ‘race’ or ‘clan’ of people, but to ALL those who SEE, and thus KNOW God, i.e. all genuine Gnostics / Mystics!

First of all, by ur definition at least, Jesus was a gnostic. but not only did He see and know God, He was God (John 10:30, 16:28 ) - He's part of the Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), remember? So in other words, He was 100% God & 100% man.

And what do you mean by all those who SEE God?

jesusfreakette1212 wrote:

Admin wrote:Thus, when put together, the word (Is-ra-el) means: “Spiritual one(s) who SEE God.” From this explanation it should be quite obvious that the term does not apply to any particular ‘race’ or ‘clan’ of people, but to ALL those who SEE, and thus KNOW God, i.e. all genuine Gnostics / Mystics!

First of all, by ur definition at least, Jesus was a gnostic. but not only did He see and know God, He was God (John 10:30, 16:28 ) - He's part of the Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), remember? So in other words, He was 100% God & 100% man.

You say this because that is what you have been told? (i.e. it has become your belief) - or do you KNOW this to be true? Why do you say "remember"? (that He's part of the Trinity)? Isn't this just a reminder to us of what we were indoctrinated with as 'Christian' children, by our 'Christian' parents, or in our 'Christian' schools or churches? Genuine gnostics are those who actually rise above blind beliefs to the very VISION and KNOWLEDGE of Truth.

And what do you mean by all those who SEE God?

Have you heard of the so-called 'Beatific Vision', or the 'Vision of Shekhinah' - the wondrous vision seen by Mystics / Prophets throughout the ages.

Hope this helps you in your search.

PLU ~ Bob