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the new call.
by sopherim7 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:47 am
i have been reading this here and ther for a couple of years now and i'll tell you what ,it is extremley AWESOME ! this author is very wise and humble and knows what he is talking about,i have tried to contact but to no avail.please take the time to check it out there are many topics, total of 3 e-books. you will get so excited to read from here i promise ,has any one else stumbled on this golden nugget? http://www.thenewcall.org/inner_teachings.htm
http://www.thenewcall.org/new_kingdom_1.htm
this truley truley worth your time
http://www.thenewcall.org/new_kingdom_1.htm
this truley truley worth your time
Re: the new call.
by Admin on Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:26 am
sopherim7 wrote:I have been reading this here and there for a couple of years now and I'll tell you what, it is extremely AWESOME! This author is very wise and humble and knows what he is talking about, I have tried to contact but to no avail.
Hi Sopherim7
I took a brief look at this, but found things which I cannot agree with. For example, read through the following "Questions and Answers" section very carefully, and tell me what you really see:
http://thenewcall.org/ri_true_master.htm
PLU ~ Bob
q&a
by sopherim7 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:56 am
i can honestley say that i have never.ever read the Q&A sections on that site .i just read from the e books . so i will check that out thanks for the heads up.
sopherim7
sopherim7
Re: the new call.
by theeternaliam on Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:32 am
"The Invisible War on Humanity
An article from: Rare Insights
Today we find ourselves living in progressively more turbulent and stressful times. Sensitive persons, and even the more discerning man-of-the-masses, are now feeling the increasing pressure and influence of unwholesome forces and powers arising, as prophesied, to maintain and reinforce their dominion in these end-times. The ongoing agenda to suppress genuine spiritual awareness and experience is intensifying; greater and more cunning efforts are being made to reduce the potential for freedom from the systems of physical and occult control that fashion and manipulate human society on Earth.
This is a subject, though frightening to many, that we have long sought to expound in the world as a necessary warning of what vision had apprised us of much earlier, knowing that a point in time would arrive when many more people would become conscious of these influences, and so seek understanding. For although, due to enhanced communications such as the Internet etc., humanity is being made aware of the more tangible methods of propaganda via the media, politics, economics and military activity, far fewer people are to date educated regarding the more subtle and surreptitious dynamics of the hidden or invisible onslaught upon the collective human consciousness.
In our times of potential world-awakening and spiritual realization, a discriminating portion of humanity is striving to disengage as much as possible from "the matrix*", at least in thought and aspiration, which, unlike the physical level of our being, is possible even if challenging to do. However, such a disconnection and readjustment in one's inner life and attitude brings about peculiar ramifications and responses from the pervasive intelligence of the matrix itself, and these are today bearing down on mankind as the inevitable world-tension increases.
* The Matrix: an accurate metaphorical term borrowed from the deeply allegorical movie of the same name.
Some of the hostile reactions of the living, intelligent matrix and its ceaslessly active, incorporeal servants to any genuine effort to disengage are quite recognizable to the informed mind and certainly experienced by the sensitive. The person who has become aware and who is therefore naturally moving in a contrary direction to the dying world-order might experience periods of a darkening of consciousness that is impossible to explain by worldly reasoning alone and which may last for hours, weeks or longer, only to suddenly evaporate, affording the victim much needed and precious time to recover. Agitation and psychic stress, doubt, guilt, self-depreciating thoughts, confusion and an inability to think clearly; physiological effects such as headaches, heart palpitations and insomnia; disorienting thought-impressions, 'voices', and thought-loops, extreme bodily heaviness and enervation identical to the symptoms of chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), listlessness and depression... these are just some of the symptoms caused by the growing, reactive hostilities of the matrix to souls who are struggling to become free or who carry Light.
These psychic attacks are purposefully imposed to undermine self-esteem, confidence, alertness and awareness. Designed to incite a sense of personal shortcoming or failure, thus inciting guilt and shame, they stimulate a need to 'fix' oneself or to otherwise distract oneself by way of engaging in the lower passions and desires*. The victim may consequently seek respite from these onslaughts in various ways, earnestly believing that he or she is a bad, weak or otherwise unworthy person. Yet inexplicably and in a moment these symptoms of psychic attack can disappear entirely, as though a switch has been turned off, the resulting, relatively bright and clear mind and consciousness left in a daze as to what has happened and where it has been.
* Should the victim choose to submit to the enticements of the gross impressions and opt to become preoccupied by some trivial, mundane or self-gratifying activity (for example, smoking, drinking, eating, having sex, entertainment or even meaningless social interaction), the symptoms may abate, or amidst such distraction one might become less conscious and so less overtly troubled by them.
Presently, all around the world, we can observe the manifest, physical-plane correspondences of an ongoing invisible war, which is imposed upon humanity from the inner side of life and is facilitated by the general state and customary activity of the mass-consciousness itself. This assault is being experienced by almost every human being in some way, yet those who are in conformity with the matrix and so who vibrate within the parameters of 'psychic acceptability' set by the ruling powers of this world have become inured to many of its effects by way of habit, which brings about a crystallization of consciousness and its corresponding psychic and spiritual insensitivity. To date on the planet, as long as one is participating within and so contributing towards (feeding) 'the system', the matrix, one is generally spared the more severe psychic attacks and inevitable effects of Armageddon, and may even be encouraged or inspired in one's mundane pursuits by being fed from and stimulated in symbiotic rapport with the gross energies and forces that predominate on Earth and which permeate the planet, leaving no person untouched, and with which the majority of humanity is entirely identified and subservient. As long as people 'keep the beast happy' by feeding the matrix in one form or another, via their attitudes, their thinking and their emotional responses, and - analogous of a military scenario - as long as people march to the beat of the common drum and do not fall out of line, then they are exempt from reprimand and the pressure of corrective discipline. In order to fortify the semblance of 'life' on Earth they may also be rewarded by a sense of self-satisfaction or materialistic achievement. This latter kind of reward is temporary, and due to its nature being of the lower human psyche, it requires the seeking out of and engagement in appropriate worldly and psychic activity so as to secure the next fix. Meanwhile for those who are genuinely striving to be free of the matrix and so who venture even marginally beyond the delineated ceiling of consciousness, the wrath of the 'keepers', the 'sentinels', the 'agents' of the matrix will be experienced in some way in order to coerce consciousness back to a more manageable and controllable level.
Even if one does not partake of society's indoctrination, human consciousness is still gradually conditioned by the pervasive matrix, via negative feedback, to avoid certain attitudes, ideas and states of awareness. The agencies that allow such hidden manipulation to be successful are intrinsically active within the human ego: the personality vessels that each soul occupies while in incarnation. To give just one example, the brain/mind is easily conditioned through pleasure and pain stimuli, and the subtle bodies that exist within the human aura are highly impressionable, and through prolonged and unnatural pressures, applied by mankind's hidden aggressors, can be molded to produce particular and habitual response-patterns.
It has ever been the case, but is particularly so in these days of increasing planetary tension and catharsis, that it requires an uncommonly stout, dedicated and devout soul to go the genuine spiritual Path: a path that necessitates relinquishment of the ways of the world upon the sane journey towards freedom from the imprisoning matrix. For many earnest seekers and lovers of Truth in our troubled and very challenging times, a major part of going The Way is to simply endure the onslaught in trained dispassion and surrender, often suffering one's relegation to a meek, spiritually-limited but ever vigilantly-policed consciousness. For only in unconditional surrender can one minimize the further trouble that is so often brought about due to hasty, if quite understandable, reactions in a world where true Justice together with any sense of fair play by the righteous is entirely absent. "Resist not evil" - Jesus. Faithful endurance is the virtue of this 'hour of crucifixion', as was demonstrated by Jesus on the cross, and it is normal and natural for many to feel that God has forsaken them.
Today this Earth is indeed, perhaps more than ever before, the world of the cross*, and those who seek and live their lives in alignment with the Truth carry the weight of the Cross heavy upon them. As Jesus said to those who deemed that they were ready to follow in Christ's footsteps, "You must count well the cost" before setting out upon the Way. Yet for the spiritually-sane there is never really any other choice; they must either bear their cross in willing personal sacrifice, or give in to and so serve the forces that are opposed to the freedom and liberation of the soul from the bondage of ignorance and death.
* As it has been known for ages by aware members of the galactic community.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Experienced initially only by the sensitive, from the inner, subtle planes of this world, what has been developing there is now manifesting physically and materially upon the planet. More and more the world is seeing evidence of psychological and physical control playing itself out amidst the outer machinations of society. Humanity is being deceived and manipulated on a massive and all-encompassing scale, and the deception, which in the past has been relatively subtle, is today becoming more obvious. One can hardly read the news nowadays without hearing about yet another country rebelling against corruption in its government: the polarities of Armageddon playing themselves out in the material world as a result of the manifesting tensions from the hidden side of life.
Already the physical ethers of the planet are saturated with electromagnetic noise. Much of this is created by communication systems, yet some of the bandwidth that humanity naturally shares within its collective consciousness is also being utilized for the deliberate broadcast of frequencies that cause agitation, confusion and debilitation to the sensitive inner being. In addition to the physical pollution as a byproduct of human commerce and industry, the very air that we breathe is being polluted, again purposefully, with consciousness-altering/suppressing chemicals and compounds. As a result, humanity is being driven more and more towards self-anaesthetizing activity and distraction, pressurized daily to assimilate and so conform with the matrix program.
These outer manifestations are an inevitable precipitation of the inner psychic pollution that has arisen within human society as a result of perpetuated thinking and desiring over millennia. The mental and emotional worlds that correspond to the physical planet are today filled with the noise and noxious clouds of unwholesome living. Planet Earth is ailing terribly.
An attitude of informed detachment and dispassion is most prudent in these last days of the cycle. A good occult understanding and subsequent non-identification with the phenomena arising as a result of a world in crisis are invaluable in maintaining a correct focus and attitude, which will help avert becoming overwhelmed by the intensifying assault.
There is little hope now for a turn-around in the trend of the collective human consciousness before the end of this age. While there is greater incidence of rebellion in response to the more tangible manifestations of the end times developments ("war and rumor of war"), for fundamental change to occur, their fundamental cause and source must be addressed by mankind, which for long ages and thus far it has been unwilling to do. Therefore it should be expected that the world-situation will become more inflamed leading up to the prophesied and inevitable apocalypse.
It is the responsibility and opportunity of each soul to seek out the truth of things, and to seek thoroughly and conscientiously, so that we may see clearly what is taking place in the world. Even though it may be unpleasant we must not be afraid to confront reality squarely, for in seeking the Truth we must acknowledge both the good and the bad. Then in seeing clearly, we may adopt an objective attitude, understanding the costs and tribulations that we will necessarily experience on the Path, while proceeding in willingness and supplication to what is true. Despite all outer appearances, we should remain faithful to our inner calling, whatever form that may take. The wise do not indulge in hopefulness, nor do they dwell in regret, but instead address things just as they are, so that with awareness, honesty and steadfastness they may go The Way in spiritual surrender. "
I really liked this particular article. This was just exactly something I needed to read cos of the bombardment of psychic energy I've had to bear lately. Helps me put some things in perspective and gives me the inspiraton to "keep on truckin'".Hope it isn't too much to put here.
An article from: Rare Insights
Today we find ourselves living in progressively more turbulent and stressful times. Sensitive persons, and even the more discerning man-of-the-masses, are now feeling the increasing pressure and influence of unwholesome forces and powers arising, as prophesied, to maintain and reinforce their dominion in these end-times. The ongoing agenda to suppress genuine spiritual awareness and experience is intensifying; greater and more cunning efforts are being made to reduce the potential for freedom from the systems of physical and occult control that fashion and manipulate human society on Earth.
This is a subject, though frightening to many, that we have long sought to expound in the world as a necessary warning of what vision had apprised us of much earlier, knowing that a point in time would arrive when many more people would become conscious of these influences, and so seek understanding. For although, due to enhanced communications such as the Internet etc., humanity is being made aware of the more tangible methods of propaganda via the media, politics, economics and military activity, far fewer people are to date educated regarding the more subtle and surreptitious dynamics of the hidden or invisible onslaught upon the collective human consciousness.
In our times of potential world-awakening and spiritual realization, a discriminating portion of humanity is striving to disengage as much as possible from "the matrix*", at least in thought and aspiration, which, unlike the physical level of our being, is possible even if challenging to do. However, such a disconnection and readjustment in one's inner life and attitude brings about peculiar ramifications and responses from the pervasive intelligence of the matrix itself, and these are today bearing down on mankind as the inevitable world-tension increases.
* The Matrix: an accurate metaphorical term borrowed from the deeply allegorical movie of the same name.
Some of the hostile reactions of the living, intelligent matrix and its ceaslessly active, incorporeal servants to any genuine effort to disengage are quite recognizable to the informed mind and certainly experienced by the sensitive. The person who has become aware and who is therefore naturally moving in a contrary direction to the dying world-order might experience periods of a darkening of consciousness that is impossible to explain by worldly reasoning alone and which may last for hours, weeks or longer, only to suddenly evaporate, affording the victim much needed and precious time to recover. Agitation and psychic stress, doubt, guilt, self-depreciating thoughts, confusion and an inability to think clearly; physiological effects such as headaches, heart palpitations and insomnia; disorienting thought-impressions, 'voices', and thought-loops, extreme bodily heaviness and enervation identical to the symptoms of chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), listlessness and depression... these are just some of the symptoms caused by the growing, reactive hostilities of the matrix to souls who are struggling to become free or who carry Light.
These psychic attacks are purposefully imposed to undermine self-esteem, confidence, alertness and awareness. Designed to incite a sense of personal shortcoming or failure, thus inciting guilt and shame, they stimulate a need to 'fix' oneself or to otherwise distract oneself by way of engaging in the lower passions and desires*. The victim may consequently seek respite from these onslaughts in various ways, earnestly believing that he or she is a bad, weak or otherwise unworthy person. Yet inexplicably and in a moment these symptoms of psychic attack can disappear entirely, as though a switch has been turned off, the resulting, relatively bright and clear mind and consciousness left in a daze as to what has happened and where it has been.
* Should the victim choose to submit to the enticements of the gross impressions and opt to become preoccupied by some trivial, mundane or self-gratifying activity (for example, smoking, drinking, eating, having sex, entertainment or even meaningless social interaction), the symptoms may abate, or amidst such distraction one might become less conscious and so less overtly troubled by them.
Presently, all around the world, we can observe the manifest, physical-plane correspondences of an ongoing invisible war, which is imposed upon humanity from the inner side of life and is facilitated by the general state and customary activity of the mass-consciousness itself. This assault is being experienced by almost every human being in some way, yet those who are in conformity with the matrix and so who vibrate within the parameters of 'psychic acceptability' set by the ruling powers of this world have become inured to many of its effects by way of habit, which brings about a crystallization of consciousness and its corresponding psychic and spiritual insensitivity. To date on the planet, as long as one is participating within and so contributing towards (feeding) 'the system', the matrix, one is generally spared the more severe psychic attacks and inevitable effects of Armageddon, and may even be encouraged or inspired in one's mundane pursuits by being fed from and stimulated in symbiotic rapport with the gross energies and forces that predominate on Earth and which permeate the planet, leaving no person untouched, and with which the majority of humanity is entirely identified and subservient. As long as people 'keep the beast happy' by feeding the matrix in one form or another, via their attitudes, their thinking and their emotional responses, and - analogous of a military scenario - as long as people march to the beat of the common drum and do not fall out of line, then they are exempt from reprimand and the pressure of corrective discipline. In order to fortify the semblance of 'life' on Earth they may also be rewarded by a sense of self-satisfaction or materialistic achievement. This latter kind of reward is temporary, and due to its nature being of the lower human psyche, it requires the seeking out of and engagement in appropriate worldly and psychic activity so as to secure the next fix. Meanwhile for those who are genuinely striving to be free of the matrix and so who venture even marginally beyond the delineated ceiling of consciousness, the wrath of the 'keepers', the 'sentinels', the 'agents' of the matrix will be experienced in some way in order to coerce consciousness back to a more manageable and controllable level.
Even if one does not partake of society's indoctrination, human consciousness is still gradually conditioned by the pervasive matrix, via negative feedback, to avoid certain attitudes, ideas and states of awareness. The agencies that allow such hidden manipulation to be successful are intrinsically active within the human ego: the personality vessels that each soul occupies while in incarnation. To give just one example, the brain/mind is easily conditioned through pleasure and pain stimuli, and the subtle bodies that exist within the human aura are highly impressionable, and through prolonged and unnatural pressures, applied by mankind's hidden aggressors, can be molded to produce particular and habitual response-patterns.
It has ever been the case, but is particularly so in these days of increasing planetary tension and catharsis, that it requires an uncommonly stout, dedicated and devout soul to go the genuine spiritual Path: a path that necessitates relinquishment of the ways of the world upon the sane journey towards freedom from the imprisoning matrix. For many earnest seekers and lovers of Truth in our troubled and very challenging times, a major part of going The Way is to simply endure the onslaught in trained dispassion and surrender, often suffering one's relegation to a meek, spiritually-limited but ever vigilantly-policed consciousness. For only in unconditional surrender can one minimize the further trouble that is so often brought about due to hasty, if quite understandable, reactions in a world where true Justice together with any sense of fair play by the righteous is entirely absent. "Resist not evil" - Jesus. Faithful endurance is the virtue of this 'hour of crucifixion', as was demonstrated by Jesus on the cross, and it is normal and natural for many to feel that God has forsaken them.
Today this Earth is indeed, perhaps more than ever before, the world of the cross*, and those who seek and live their lives in alignment with the Truth carry the weight of the Cross heavy upon them. As Jesus said to those who deemed that they were ready to follow in Christ's footsteps, "You must count well the cost" before setting out upon the Way. Yet for the spiritually-sane there is never really any other choice; they must either bear their cross in willing personal sacrifice, or give in to and so serve the forces that are opposed to the freedom and liberation of the soul from the bondage of ignorance and death.
* As it has been known for ages by aware members of the galactic community.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Experienced initially only by the sensitive, from the inner, subtle planes of this world, what has been developing there is now manifesting physically and materially upon the planet. More and more the world is seeing evidence of psychological and physical control playing itself out amidst the outer machinations of society. Humanity is being deceived and manipulated on a massive and all-encompassing scale, and the deception, which in the past has been relatively subtle, is today becoming more obvious. One can hardly read the news nowadays without hearing about yet another country rebelling against corruption in its government: the polarities of Armageddon playing themselves out in the material world as a result of the manifesting tensions from the hidden side of life.
Already the physical ethers of the planet are saturated with electromagnetic noise. Much of this is created by communication systems, yet some of the bandwidth that humanity naturally shares within its collective consciousness is also being utilized for the deliberate broadcast of frequencies that cause agitation, confusion and debilitation to the sensitive inner being. In addition to the physical pollution as a byproduct of human commerce and industry, the very air that we breathe is being polluted, again purposefully, with consciousness-altering/suppressing chemicals and compounds. As a result, humanity is being driven more and more towards self-anaesthetizing activity and distraction, pressurized daily to assimilate and so conform with the matrix program.
These outer manifestations are an inevitable precipitation of the inner psychic pollution that has arisen within human society as a result of perpetuated thinking and desiring over millennia. The mental and emotional worlds that correspond to the physical planet are today filled with the noise and noxious clouds of unwholesome living. Planet Earth is ailing terribly.
An attitude of informed detachment and dispassion is most prudent in these last days of the cycle. A good occult understanding and subsequent non-identification with the phenomena arising as a result of a world in crisis are invaluable in maintaining a correct focus and attitude, which will help avert becoming overwhelmed by the intensifying assault.
There is little hope now for a turn-around in the trend of the collective human consciousness before the end of this age. While there is greater incidence of rebellion in response to the more tangible manifestations of the end times developments ("war and rumor of war"), for fundamental change to occur, their fundamental cause and source must be addressed by mankind, which for long ages and thus far it has been unwilling to do. Therefore it should be expected that the world-situation will become more inflamed leading up to the prophesied and inevitable apocalypse.
It is the responsibility and opportunity of each soul to seek out the truth of things, and to seek thoroughly and conscientiously, so that we may see clearly what is taking place in the world. Even though it may be unpleasant we must not be afraid to confront reality squarely, for in seeking the Truth we must acknowledge both the good and the bad. Then in seeing clearly, we may adopt an objective attitude, understanding the costs and tribulations that we will necessarily experience on the Path, while proceeding in willingness and supplication to what is true. Despite all outer appearances, we should remain faithful to our inner calling, whatever form that may take. The wise do not indulge in hopefulness, nor do they dwell in regret, but instead address things just as they are, so that with awareness, honesty and steadfastness they may go The Way in spiritual surrender. "
I really liked this particular article. This was just exactly something I needed to read cos of the bombardment of psychic energy I've had to bear lately. Helps me put some things in perspective and gives me the inspiraton to "keep on truckin'".Hope it isn't too much to put here.
rare insights
by sopherim7 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:33 am
i did check out the Q&A but really ,when taken context to the entirety of what this unknown author has to share ,and the enormous bulk of real truth he is able to communicate the Q& a really is set apart from the teaching/communication, and has nothing to do with what i found to be enlightening. and i really could not notice what you were implying to be incorrect
in the Q&A maybey if you were a little more specific it would aid in the examination of that area.
YES,YES YES!!! theeternaliam is that not AWESOME
it got me sooooooooo excited and at first i could not stay away from the library so i could read it on line, i really was so compelled to keep reading it, alot of the same parts over and over and over, it is just so extremley deep . i have this feeling that i cannot describe, i am just overwhelmed at the conformatio within me that this puts into words things i have longed to express
sopherim7
in the Q&A maybey if you were a little more specific it would aid in the examination of that area.
YES,YES YES!!! theeternaliam is that not AWESOME
it got me sooooooooo excited and at first i could not stay away from the library so i could read it on line, i really was so compelled to keep reading it, alot of the same parts over and over and over, it is just so extremley deep . i have this feeling that i cannot describe, i am just overwhelmed at the conformatio within me that this puts into words things i have longed to express sopherim7
Re: the new call.
by theeternaliam on Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:58 pm
Do you agree w/ this opinion that there are forces that attempt to limit and confine Man? If so, do you feel it is actual(existing "apart" on its own), or are the forces unconscious tendencies of our own psyche, in our minds for self-preservation? This idea occured to me,(that those forces are unconscious tendencies programmed for self-prservation) and I almost doubted "surrender", feeling I had to do something on my own to free myself of forces wishing to keep me down. This is what I believe, is the mind-set of someone who chooses indulgence, saying God is the one limiting our pleasure and trying to "keep us down". I've noticed this subconscious tendency in myself, recently, and it has even manifested itself in the world(like a dream).
This surely is the end-times, for the world is throwing down all its cards, now. I pray that all conscious being(s) awake from the dream of meaninglessness to Life in all its Manifest Glory.
I am Mind. Mind is Light. Mind is One.Mind is All. This is Our Union.
This surely is the end-times, for the world is throwing down all its cards, now. I pray that all conscious being(s) awake from the dream of meaninglessness to Life in all its Manifest Glory.
I am Mind. Mind is Light. Mind is One.Mind is All. This is Our Union.
reply
by sopherim7 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:16 pm
This is what I believe, is the mind-set of
someone who chooses indulgence, saying God is the one limiting our
pleasure and trying to "keep us down". I've noticed this subconscious
tendency in myself, recently, and it has even manifested itself in the
world(like a dream
i truley believe this is what true jihad is ,it is the internal spiritual war fare on the battle feild of our mind, carnal vs
spiritual man. it in my opinion takes place in all human kind ,and it is very much so a part of life.i will say that i have come to learn to look at it this way.will this action bring glory to god or gratify my self? will it hurt other people ? is it something i keep from the light of truth in order to keep it invisable ,who will it hurt if the sun shines on it?the point of this time on earth is to ultimitley GOD IS GOD ALMIGHTY ,it is to determine if our beings are rebelious . there must be order or all is caos.how will the after life have no tears of pain if beings can serve self and not GOD by serving each other? IT is a mind set, and the action of setting your mind or will to be obidient to GOD and not self. what is your aim or goal ,GOD IS to be the bullseye our actions the arrow and our desire is how we take aim ,sin is missing the mark,falling
short. setting ones mind to be obiediant is a constant endevor, it is an action , meaning it is not auto matic ,each time ,are we aiming to please GOD,SELF,OR THE WORLD? I also firmley believe in the invisable world ,hevean and hell.i believe hellis not so much of a place to spend the after life cause we are naughty, it is the eternal exsistance of being ABSOLUTLEY seaperated from GOD. the giver of all life,light and love,none of this can be experianced apart fom GOD.that is hell. i believe that our own mind IS OUR WORST ENEMY!!! i also believe that there are powers,principalities,thrones and dominions,or fallen angels . as well as seriphim, cheribim , angels and arch angels .All created to serve his purpose and plan that we in this place truley cannot fully understand ,until the end and all will be reveiled.WE MUST NOT LOSE HEART
my soul and body. the term the dog who wins the fight is the one who gets better food and care cause it is the stongest. it is up to you to choose who you feed better the spirit of christ in you or the carnel spirit. id like to say more but i have to go to work take care sopherim7
someone who chooses indulgence, saying God is the one limiting our
pleasure and trying to "keep us down". I've noticed this subconscious
tendency in myself, recently, and it has even manifested itself in the
world(like a dream
i truley believe this is what true jihad is ,it is the internal spiritual war fare on the battle feild of our mind, carnal vs
spiritual man. it in my opinion takes place in all human kind ,and it is very much so a part of life.i will say that i have come to learn to look at it this way.will this action bring glory to god or gratify my self? will it hurt other people ? is it something i keep from the light of truth in order to keep it invisable ,who will it hurt if the sun shines on it?the point of this time on earth is to ultimitley GOD IS GOD ALMIGHTY ,it is to determine if our beings are rebelious . there must be order or all is caos.how will the after life have no tears of pain if beings can serve self and not GOD by serving each other? IT is a mind set, and the action of setting your mind or will to be obidient to GOD and not self. what is your aim or goal ,GOD IS to be the bullseye our actions the arrow and our desire is how we take aim ,sin is missing the mark,falling
short. setting ones mind to be obiediant is a constant endevor, it is an action , meaning it is not auto matic ,each time ,are we aiming to please GOD,SELF,OR THE WORLD? I also firmley believe in the invisable world ,hevean and hell.i believe hellis not so much of a place to spend the after life cause we are naughty, it is the eternal exsistance of being ABSOLUTLEY seaperated from GOD. the giver of all life,light and love,none of this can be experianced apart fom GOD.that is hell. i believe that our own mind IS OUR WORST ENEMY!!! i also believe that there are powers,principalities,thrones and dominions,or fallen angels . as well as seriphim, cheribim , angels and arch angels .All created to serve his purpose and plan that we in this place truley cannot fully understand ,until the end and all will be reveiled.WE MUST NOT LOSE HEART
my soul and body. the term the dog who wins the fight is the one who gets better food and care cause it is the stongest. it is up to you to choose who you feed better the spirit of christ in you or the carnel spirit. id like to say more but i have to go to work
take care sopherim7
Re: the new call.
by theeternaliam on Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:09 am
I hate to think of the world as some sort of game or fight. And I can use different "weapons" and "potions" to win or something. I don't like this mind-set, at all. I refuse to play any sort of game in which I'm meant to be ignorant of, and given a huge handicap, as well. It doesn't seem Just, to me. This is why I surrender to the Good.
Re: the new call.
by Iehi Aur on Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:59 am
Reading that Q&A it seems Dubious. I could be wrong, but....
The Q who seems to be a student starts off:
Then gets to:
Are these not concepts that have altered the Q's thoughts by A, the intellectual aspect being played to turn belief in T around?
Also that part at the end seems to be a bit capricus, about the psychic reading on T, before this conversation began I presume.
As Q may be sitting with A.
With believers blindly harvesting more believers? If T really pointed the way to Know their true Self, then how did Q get talked into disguarding knowing/experiencing, by believing A.
"At the end even the wise will be led astray"? I guess if the believers think they know and get talked into another belief, but is belief wise or wisdom?
It seems that experience is the only way to surpass belief. So what does absorbing an outer structure of beliefs do, and why do we accept some over others? It would seem that the structure accepted may even effect an experience, like wings on an angel for some and not for others.
If I am told about a place, I get the concepts through my relation to the words of the one telling me, I don't Know about it further than second hand, if I want to go, I may ask how to get there, and when take the steps of going and then arrive, am I merely arriving at what I was looking for from the second hand knowledge that started me on the quest for this place?
When people all over have similar experiences that come from different cultures, times and beliefs, then it seems we have something universally collective(especially when it was not expected), it's up to us to be brutally honest with ourselves if we actually seek truth sincerely.
Lucifer's preferred platform for his work is the intellect - the lower conceptual mind
The Q who seems to be a student starts off:
Q.It is clear that T has achieved the Goal. He is a fully Awakened soul.
Q. I know that T is fully Enlightened as are numerous others. It is so clear, so very obvious.
Then gets to:
Q. Right. I was wondering about these things when I initially heard about T, but let my intuition slide...but that was before my recent realisations that were catalysed by my contact with you.
Are these not concepts that have altered the Q's thoughts by A, the intellectual aspect being played to turn belief in T around?
Also that part at the end seems to be a bit capricus, about the psychic reading on T, before this conversation began I presume.
Q. But why are you so anti T? Have you sat with him yet?
As Q may be sitting with A.
Q. This is not my experience of T. I have some serious differences with his so-called 'followers'. He doesn't consider anyone who meets him to be a follower. The 'followers' construct the label themselves. T and I have had an in-depth discussion about this, and his position is that he is only pointing people who meet him towards their own experience of who they truly are. Not at all unlike what you are speaking about.
A. Any truly enlightened Master knows how futile, worse, how dangerous and karmically-loaded it is to throw 'roses to asses'; the genuine Master knows precisely how the self-grasping of the masses distorts his teaching, and this is why true Masters always work in the background on dark planets such as Earth and through inner and outer circles. They do not invite all and sundry to sit at their feet. This is especially the case today with the unprecedented level of lower psychism and glamour in the world, and this is my query with regard to T's activities.
A chain is as strong as its weakest link. Already his 'followers' are becoming proud and complacent in their belief that they have found their guru who will lead the way Home. This attitude is decidedly Piscean, and will lead to disaster in the Aquarian age due to the new and adjusted laws which are becoming progressively more applicable to planet Earth as the planetary deadline approaches. Like so many others, T's efforts are being corrupted and used to serve Lucifer*. This is also how all true religions become crystallised and dead. This is how imitation spirituality is born. But worse, this is also how a conduit is constructed for evil forces to enter this world. Now, why would an enlightened Master want to have anything to do with that?
A. If you are truly grateful, then please demonstrate it by helping us to reach out to all candidates for harvest with the very Good News.
With believers blindly harvesting more believers? If T really pointed the way to Know their true Self, then how did Q get talked into disguarding knowing/experiencing, by believing A.
"At the end even the wise will be led astray"? I guess if the believers think they know and get talked into another belief, but is belief wise or wisdom?
It seems that experience is the only way to surpass belief. So what does absorbing an outer structure of beliefs do, and why do we accept some over others? It would seem that the structure accepted may even effect an experience, like wings on an angel for some and not for others.
If I am told about a place, I get the concepts through my relation to the words of the one telling me, I don't Know about it further than second hand, if I want to go, I may ask how to get there, and when take the steps of going and then arrive, am I merely arriving at what I was looking for from the second hand knowledge that started me on the quest for this place?
When people all over have similar experiences that come from different cultures, times and beliefs, then it seems we have something universally collective(especially when it was not expected), it's up to us to be brutally honest with ourselves if we actually seek truth sincerely.
There is no religion higher than truth. H.P.B.
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Re: the new call.
by Iehi Aur on Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:12 am
Also the thing about being a Christ to recognize a Christ, or Christ consciousness.
I am not so sure about that one, if Christ reveals the mysteries to me I may know, but before hand it would seem I would be not a Christ but a seeker of truth, this is a complex thing because we are dealing with subjective intangible experiences, that can not be disected measured and analysed by all who are merely curious.
I am not so sure about that one, if Christ reveals the mysteries to me I may know, but before hand it would seem I would be not a Christ but a seeker of truth, this is a complex thing because we are dealing with subjective intangible experiences, that can not be disected measured and analysed by all who are merely curious.
There is no religion higher than truth. H.P.B.
Re: the new call.
by theeternaliam on Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:31 am
Well, I think w/ this site and all information one gleams, one must pick the wheat from the chaff, use what is applicable to oneself, I guess.
I'd have to say the potential, hence the essence, was always there.
Iehi Aur wrote:Also the thing about being a Christ to recognize a Christ, or Christ consciousness.
I am not so sure about that one, if Christ reveals the mysteries to me I may know, but before hand it would seem I would be not a Christ but a seeker of truth, this is a complex thing because we are dealing with subjective intangible experiences, that can not be disected measured and analysed by all who are merely curious.
I'd have to say the potential, hence the essence, was always there.
Re: the new call.
by Iehi Aur on Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:49 am
Yeah I agree we must pick the wheat from the chaff, I am also not saying these things with conviction, I enjoy conversation about deeper things, and I am open to any views given, I don't argue, but love discussion, I also may be wrong in my thinking at times and am glad to see things pointed out, for dealing with words can be fun and a learning experience and improve angles of viewing, I like to work on my communication skills.
There is no religion higher than truth. H.P.B.
the game
by sopherim7 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:06 am
i did not intend my description of inner spiritual war fare to look like a game. in every thing we observe,or read the wheat must be seaperated from the chaff, there is not one master ,theologin,teacher,religion,or belief who has it 100% correct, not one, especially since gnosis comes to each individually as God wills,thats just it many try to convince others of things that were reveiled to them for there life,and compell others to believe it .there are universal truths, which i believed to be summed up nicley in the 10 commandments
game
by sopherim7 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:36 am
sorry i sent that by mistake im not done! 
anyway the 10 commandments these are the universal truths to live by . that is the perimeter of obedience we are to live in .they are all encompassing.no matter what i read i line it up with what i know to be truth derived thru personal. everyone has opinions and i enjoy hearing them , there are somethings i accept and some i dont agree with.I am not always right and neither is any one else
anyway the 10 commandments these are the universal truths to live by . that is the perimeter of obedience we are to live in .they are all encompassing.no matter what i read i line it up with what i know to be truth derived thru personal. everyone has opinions and i enjoy hearing them , there are somethings i accept and some i dont agree with.I am not always right and neither is any one else
Re: the new call.
by Admin on Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:17 am
sopherim7 wrote:... there is not one master, theologian, teacher, religion, or belief who has it 100% correct, not one...
I do not know how you actually KNOW this? Perhaps Yehoshua (and other Masters) was not 100% correct, but I would not pretend to Know such things.
We must be very careful about what we say we know, and what we believe, and what, or who, and if we follow.
PLU ~ Bob
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