the new call.

Sopherim7 wrote

also to make somethig clear,no orthodoxy convinced me to believe what and how i believe in CHRIST,there was a point in my life, as darkchylde, that i was involved with many occult practices in my search for truth . i also realise that second hand knowledge is not genuine gnosis.it is no big surprise that i believe in the death resurrection and ascension of a physical JESUS CHRIST.i really don't care who thinks i am an ignorant because of it either. I came to this TRUTH thru gnosis, not what i was told to believe by people.oh before i forget
Jesus was recognised, after the resurrection, by MARY it was the men who did not recognise him. also why even read the bible and talk about these times if you dont even believe it was true?i am not the only GNOSTIC CHRISTIAN who believes
in the death and resurrection.i do not have the time right now to get in to it but i will after i get home from work.nothing
except GOD would have me to change my mind and heart on this subject

I have also dug deep into Occult practice, without the evocation of spirits though, yet I know some that have personally. This in no way gave me the inclination that anything the church said is true, for they do not even have the elementry concept of the Mysteries, for they push blind belief and a simple prayer will do for rebirth. I feel through discernment that it is the Way of life and living that are the preliminary, through thoughts, words and actions, not something simply done on sunday, a literal way of life.

If these notions of Jesus's death/resurrection and such did not come from the church dogma, then from where do they? Even if one had visions and inner thoughts well up, could one honestly say that these are not the child of preconcieved notions thought to be from another source other than likely falsefied fourth century imperial romes use of a living religion, to cloak the desire to control the masses and keep the majority spiritually dead and enslaved to mammon.

That would make a good case for them to have burnt books and attempts to extinguish Gnostics and those who would have refused there indoctrination and known better, through direct inner experience, and not the mass produced blind belief based on mental slavery.

I am not saying I know the truth, yet I have discernment and knowing that I do not know, helps me to let go of the possibly false notions imbedded through the sight of the masses believing, yet the best one can do is to Live the Way that is obviously righteous and corresponds to the teachings that we can apply with no worry if they are from Christ, because they are benificial reguardless to those who will to do and be the best example they can for fellow humanity, willingly at heart.

In the end it is not about who is smart or older, it is about caring enough to point out when someone appears to have good will, that may be tainted by the church's misleading ways. The wisest ways are when those who see the possible pitfalls and have the mind to change there direction, even slightly, willing to give up a belief that is likely of no use to anyone but the misleaders, the factual stuff to me is less important than the way of life and the search for truth. I search for truth, not historical fact that I have no way of really knowing, I would think anyone who is Gnostic would do the same, and keep there minds open enough to recognize what is neccessary and keep a loose grip on outer things that come from men.

If I seem like a know it all, please excuse me, I assure you I do not know much and believe little.

Iehi Aur wrote:Sopherim7 wrote

also to make somethig clear,no orthodoxy convinced me to believe what and how i believe in CHRIST,there was a point in my life, as darkchylde, that i was involved with many occult practices in my search for truth . i also realise that second hand knowledge is not genuine gnosis.it is no big surprise that i believe in the death resurrection and ascension of a physical JESUS CHRIST.i really don't care who thinks i am an ignorant because of it either. I came to this TRUTH thru gnosis, not what i was told to believe by people.oh before i forget
Jesus was recognised, after the resurrection, by MARY it was the men who did not recognise him. also why even read the bible and talk about these times if you dont even believe it was true?i am not the only GNOSTIC CHRISTIAN who believes
in the death and resurrection.i do not have the time right now to get in to it but i will after i get home from work.nothing
except GOD would have me to change my mind and heart on this subject

I have also dug deep into Occult practice, without the evocation of spirits though, yet I know some that have personally. This in no way gave me the inclination that anything the church said is true, for they do not even have the elementry concept of the Mysteries, for they push blind belief and a simple prayer will do for rebirth. I feel through discernment that it is the Way of life and living that are the preliminary, through thoughts, words and actions, not something simply done on sunday, a literal way of life.

If these notions of Jesus's death/resurrection and such did not come from the church dogma, then from where do they? Even if one had visions and inner thoughts well up, could one honestly say that these are not the child of preconcieved notions thought to be from another source other than likely falsefied fourth century imperial romes use of a living religion, to cloak the desire to control the masses and keep the majority spiritually dead and enslaved to mammon.

That would make a good case for them to have burnt books and attempts to extinguish Gnostics and those who would have refused there indoctrination and known better, through direct inner experience, and not the mass produced blind belief based on mental slavery.

I am not saying I know the truth, yet I have discernment and knowing that I do not know, helps me to let go of the possibly false notions imbedded through the sight of the masses believing, yet the best one can do is to Live the Way that is obviously righteous and corresponds to the teachings that we can apply with no worry if they are from Christ, because they are benificial reguardless to those who will to do and be the best example they can for fellow humanity, willingly at heart.

In the end it is not about who is smart or older, it is about caring enough to point out when someone appears to have good will, that may be tainted by the church's misleading ways. The wisest ways are when those who see the possible pitfalls and have the mind to change there direction, even slightly, willing to give up a belief that is likely of no use to anyone but the misleaders, the factual stuff to me is less important than the way of life and the search for truth. I search for truth, not historical fact that I have no way of really knowing, I would think anyone who is Gnostic would do the same, and keep there minds open enough to recognize what is neccessary and keep a loose grip on outer things that come from men.

If I seem like a know it all, please excuse me, I assure you I do not know much and believe little.

Wise words indeed.

PLU ~ Bob

theeternaliam wrote:

Admin wrote: ~ THAT WE MUST DO FOR OURSELVES.

We do that by accepting God's Gift. Perfect Love Gives Unconditionally. I find it impossible to believe that we achieve salvation through our own means. I've tried this before w/ energy work, inducing out-of-body experiences to travel the astral-realm, using amulets and visualizations to keep me "safe", etc. etc. I've realized though, that God Is Perfect, and leaves no conditions for salvation, other than the Desire for it. God is Perfect. Would you sincerely release your brethren to Eternal Joy, and Unconditional Love? If you would, I'm sure Good would, too.

You seem to misunderstand what I am saying. We must definitely accept the great gift of the Sacred Mysteries which the living Messiah (Master) offers personally to each seeker. No one but a genuine Spiritual Master (Anointed One) can reveal this Knowledge to us, but WE must PRACTICE the KNOWLEDGE, i.e. WALK THE PATH TO REALIZATION / ENLIGHTENMENT. The Master is always there to help us, BUT WE must do the work under His guidance, an with His Divine Grace!

Admin wrote:It is one of the greatest mistakes of Christianity to believe that Jesus has done all the work by dying for us.

I agree, it was the consequent ressurection, harrowing of hell, and other mysteries that have assured our place in the Pleroma. It is through Life we are assured Life.

We are assured of nothing if we do not personally RECEIVE, KNOW and USE the great Mysteries of the Spirit which the LIVING "flesh and blood" Master offers, i.e. WE must find the living Master (not an historic one from 2,000 years ago) the SAME WAY AS THOSE DISCIPLES 2,000 YEARS AGO DID!

PLU ~ Bob

Admin wrote: The Master is always there to help us, BUT WE must do the work under His guidance, an with His Divine Grace!
PLU ~ Bob

But I hate working.

theeternaliam wrote:

Admin wrote: The Master is always there to help us, BUT WE must do the work under His guidance, an with His Divine Grace!
PLU ~ Bob

But I hate working.

And, it seems, do all religionists (especially Christians)!

PLU ~ Bob

it seems as no one has read any other posts i have made, or there would not be such an air of self rightousness. as i have gone into length about what i feel about dogma so far as to include GNOSTIC DOGMA and JEWISH DOGMA,and who is any one to say what someone elses life experiances including the occult, visions, dreams or messages from GOD on toast, has taught them . i did not think so ,for that would be foolish!!! is truth absolute? i am curious to know! .and true AGE HAS ABSOLUTLEY nothing to do with it either nor does mans finite knowledge. i have heard more wisdom from my children then many adults. i agree with theeternaliam.i would like to know how many people truley can save themselves? what control does any one have over any thing,most people cannot control themselves,let alone there salvation.i choose to believe in the ubiquity of CHRIST based on PERSONAL GNOSIS.NOT only that the only CHRIST FIGURE that has surfaced since jesus was david koresh .and you can say but are we not all christ? and i will say NO! i will say that i am NOT THE FULLNESS OF CHRIST but one of that make up the corprate body of CHRIST , i believe there are alot of people caught up on the cultural relatisim of holy script as well,i also believe people put to much stock in the agrapha to ,yet i have yet to say a judge mental word thus far. i have not doubted the genuiness of any ones gnosis yet again ,the esoteric revelatory first hand knowledge and understanding of GOD and how he works in my life thru my own personal experiances have been

sopherim7 wrote:it seems as no one has read any other posts i have made, or there would not be such an air of self rightousness. as i have gone into length about what i feel about dogma so far as to include GNOSTIC DOGMA and JEWISH DOGMA,and who is any one to say what someone elses life experiances including the occult, visions, dreams or messages from GOD on toast, has taught them . i did not think so ,for that would be foolish!!! is truth absolute? i am curious to know! .and true AGE HAS ABSOLUTLEY nothing to do with it either nor does mans finite knowledge. i have heard more wisdom from my children then many adults. i agree with theeternaliam.i would like to know how many people truley can save themselves? what control does any one have over any thing,most people cannot control themselves,let alone there salvation.i choose to believe in the ubiquity of CHRIST based on PERSONAL GNOSIS.NOT only that the only CHRIST FIGURE that has surfaced since jesus was david koresh .and you can say but are we not all christ? and i will say NO! i will say that i am NOT THE FULLNESS OF CHRIST but one of that make up the corprate body of CHRIST , i believe there are alot of people caught up on the cultural relatisim of holy script as well,i also believe people put to much stock in the agrapha to ,yet i have yet to say a judge mental word thus far. i have not doubted the genuiness of any ones gnosis yet again ,the esoteric revelatory first hand knowledge and understanding of GOD and how he works in my life thru my own personal experiances have been

Sopherim I truly feel and with Grace understand some of the point of view You are speeking of dear one indeed. I am trying much at this point to draw on the parents to fill my words that would help set the light of truth upon the table for all to see so as the working logos does not get stifled with anyone of the children to continue in seeking in a positive enlightening way.
At this point in time, I myself am in transit to relocate to a whole new area of the country with new Job, additional friends and aquantences. So I am trying inwardly to become more full in Him so as manifestation of the new suroundings I am seeking is truly completed, seen and undestood by all without being a diverse opinion at least initially to gain trust of the truth in Him amounst new Spirits as to be none threating. At My age and living experiances I do know my own fears, weaknesses, and have learn to transcend to other in a broad sence of averge ones in them also. I also know that divine power can wash this clean to make a Beatifull transition without speaking outwardly of it or one one come accross as righteous, and only do here for the point of explination to help others see thier own roads that they choose to create without division self.

I agree with you on your childrens wise words also. My son who is taking over my house here wth renting is my prodical younger that is trying to kick some real bad habits and return to the Spirit within Him that has been taught Him throughout his life. He ask me yesterday "Dad is it wrong to feel you are so right in your life in the things you do?"
I knew what He mean and is seeing now, which is the diference from were he was, that declined much around him also , But now picking everything back up virtually by Himself to the status quo of litteraly Higher from that which He left, because it is a listen by the True parents for Him. I am his Parent not now, for only his Brother within the Divine he is begining to see. I must take on a whole new role with him seeing that he is 24 years old, But he still trust the things I taught Him Helping now for the enlightment.

For Chris and myself talking within the righteousness of God and things we see for ourselves to be lived and used in life as we walk, would not seem so proper if his friends were involved as observers to our conversation, rebuking our attitudes from his point of view as a self righteous one, that they would not understand. Now talking to much in that context when very well knowing that their are other souls around and do not get lifted within that understanding or enlightment would start to be felt as action needed to be taken, or Our Joy slowed for the benifit of the whole, only seen by our own point of view if we attune in fulness to that also. Sometimes yes sometimes no.
Like the the saying " you can please some of the people some of the time etc" although many use that for an excuse to not come down off thier cloud for others.

So basically having respectfull intuition of others within a doable reason of things of God is truely needed to make the best within any situation.

A fine line we all walk indeed with rewards and pitfalls

the queen of hearts always wins over the queen Diamonds

Bro Thomas

god IS SO GOOD MAY HE BLESS YOU RICHLEY IN HIS PEACE LOVE AND HOPE as he takes into new places and new peoples lives in HIS MIGHTY SERVICE may he continue to bless you richley for his glory as he grows the kingdom thru your vessal.please dont leave us here it would not be the same with out you my dear brother of light.
i under stand what your speacking of ,i hear your words of truth ,i feel a kindred spirit with you ,and pray for you
thank you for serving God and your obiediance to him and the words he speaks to your heart and the courage to speak them,as sometimes that takes tremendous strength sometimes

sopherim7 wrote: god IS SO GOOD MAY HE BLESS YOU RICHLEY IN HIS PEACE LOVE AND HOPE as he takes into new places and new peoples lives in HIS MIGHTY SERVICE may he continue to bless you richley for his glory as he grows the kingdom thru your vessal.please dont leave us here it would not be the same with out you my dear brother of light.
i under stand what your speacking of ,i hear your words of truth ,i feel a kindred spirit with you ,and pray for you
thank you for serving God and your obiediance to him and the words he speaks to your heart and the courage to speak them,as sometimes that takes tremendous strength sometimes

Sopherim Your Blessed Spirit projected from Your unique Soul designed by the Father truly makes clear the need for, and understanding of the collectiveness of the Christ consousness. The spontaneous energy You show is alot like my earthy Sisters in that regards, I tell her that she is like the smiling flower in midst of the factory workers that is the simplictic joy that motives, although overlook in this world more now in its deep complexity of Thinking things out(theology).
In short it makes one want to go out and Dance... just for the sake of dancing with a Light heart.

I will be posting here between tasks I need to do as long as the internet and this board stays going. It is indeed a joy that I find nowhere else, with a way of Spiritually sojournment with all present in so many colors of life, set aside from the Mortal Busyness we all live in also.
It helps one return to the truth of the NOW divinely expressed By Bob which I still marvel how such that one word could excompass such a vast understanding of the all within us.

May the colors of Love never cease to flow in us and be expressed freely to others.

Brother Thomas <--- this is dancing LOL

we will dance at the wedding supper dear brothers and sisters of light! how i long so deepley with the whole of my being to know the knower as he knows me,and be where he is, in eternity!!! " in my fathers house there are many mansions and i go to prepare a place for you , that where i am there you may also be" ......... AH............ ...........HOME!!!!!........

sopherim