Re: Shaul, a GNOSTIC??

by Unprofitable Servant on Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:37 am

PAUL’S GOSPEL	GOSPEL OF JESUS and the TWELVE
Spiritual Parents
1Cor 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. Eph 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Philemon 1:10 I beseech thee for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten in my bonds:	Mt 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Mt 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Whom to imitate
1Cor 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me [NKJV = imitate me]. Gal 4:12 Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all. [NKJV = Brethren, I urge you to become like me, for I became like you.]	Jn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 3Jn 1:11 Beloved, follow [NKJV = imitate] not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.
Meekness
1Cor 4:21 What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?	Mt 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Dealing with adultery
1Cor 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. ... 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit [NKJV = his spirit] may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.	Jn 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Judging
1Cor 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?	Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. [also Jn 8:15-16, Mark 6:37]

by Unprofitable Servant on Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:47 am

PAUL’S GOSPEL	GOSPEL OF JESUS and the TWELVE
Men Judging Angels?
1Cor 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?	Mt 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like to a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. 49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Food sacrificed to idols
1Cor 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 8:7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. 8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse. 9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of your's become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. 1Cor 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles [NKJV = meat market], that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:	Acts 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. Rev 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
Financial reward for preaching
1Cor 9:11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal [NKJV = material] things?	Mt 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
Approval from men
1Cor 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; 21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. 22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 1Cor 10:33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved. Rom 14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. Phil 4:22 All the saints salute you, chiefly they that are of Caesar's household.	Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets. Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. Jn 5:41 I receive not honour from men. Luke 14:11 For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. James 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Teachers and Church structure
1Cor 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 1Tim 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity. 2Tim 1:11 to which I was appointed preacher, an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.	Mt 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master [NKJV = Teacher], even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

by Unprofitable Servant on Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:58 am

PAUL’S GOSPEL	GOSPEL OF JESUS and the TWELVE
Sumitting to Church authorities
1Cor 16:15 I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and that they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,) 16 That ye submit yourselves unto such, and to every one that helpeth with us, and laboureth. Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.	Mark 10:42 But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. 43 But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: 44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all. [NKJV = 44 And whoever of you desires to be first shall be slave of all.]
The Sabbath
1Cor 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:	Deut 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Christ brings Peace to the world?
1Cor 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Eph 2:17 And [Jesus] came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.	Mt 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. [Luke 12:51]
Dealing with unbelievers
1Cor 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. [NKJV = accursed. O Lord, come!]	Mt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; [Mark 6:27-28]
Authority of the twelve Apostles
Gal 2:6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me: ... Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas [Peter], and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. 13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation [NKJV = hypocrisy].	Jn 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. 15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

by Unprofitable Servant on Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:19 am

PAUL’S GOSPEL	GOSPEL OF JESUS and the TWELVE
The commission to the uncircumcised
Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)	Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. Mt 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Faith vs Works
Gal 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.	James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? Mt 16:27
Punishment for blasphemy
1Tim 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: 20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.	Mt 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. [Luke 12:10]
Where to pray
1 Tim 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.	Mt 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Charity
1Tim 5:9 Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man. 5:16 If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged [NKJV = burdened]; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed. 2Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.	Mt 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. Mt 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

by Unprofitable Servant on Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:30 am

PAUL’S GOSPEL	GOSPEL OF JESUS and the TWELVE
Sanctification
Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate. 1Cor 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.	Jn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

by Prism1111 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:01 am

US..... Thankyou Brother truly for posting your collection of truths concerning Pauls Epistles. We can only pray the veil is lifted more for all those under such Blasphemies as he has perpetrated with of course help of others in the dark light. For ones just to understand that the wheat grow with the tears right within the Very book they think will save them. is a big step up in the enlightment indeed.

many Blessing to you Brother

Bro Thomas.... bounce

by Unprofitable Servant on Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:54 am

Hi Bro Thomas,

The book is indeed the wheat and tares together in the same field. It is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It is the abomination that makes (spiritually) desolate as Daniel wrote (who reads will understand).

We have both paths before us. The choice is ours to make.

btw, I'm always happy to hear about ways of improving the above list.

Peace,
Mark

by DarkChylde on Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:58 am

Okay, this is getting better and better, you guys are awesome.

Chukuma, wow. You r research is untouchable, and you have deeped my understanding even more, and for that I am grateful.

Mark, that is really great, tho to me it shows the discrepancies of the Bible (as incomplete as it is) as well.... Good work, still studying it all. You would like the Restoration Scriptures, methinks. I use that for my research alot.

Thanx to all for your input on this, I LOVE THIS PLACE!!! cheers

by sopherim7 on Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:38 am

i know this is so awesome , where can i find the restoration scriptures What a Face

sopherim

by Admin on Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:51 am

sopherim7 wrote:i know this is so awesome , where can i find the restoration scriptures

sopherim

Hi Soph. You will probably find a different version of the "restoration" scriptures in the mind of each one who tries to restore them. scratch

PLU ~ Bob

by Chukuma on Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:00 am

DarkChylde wrote:Okay, this is getting better and better, you guys are awesome.

Chukuma, wow. You r research is untouchable, and you have deeped my understanding even more, and for that I am grateful.

Mark, that is really great, tho to me it shows the discrepancies of the Bible (as incomplete as it is) as well.... Good work, still studying it all. You would like the Restoration Scriptures, methinks. I use that for my research alot.

Thanx to all for your input on this, I LOVE THIS PLACE!!!

Reply:

Oh my DC! You're blowing me away! Thank you for the very kind words. As they say, there is nothing new under the sun. We're all turning rocks over. Wink

I am learning here as well!! We are a very blessed family and site. There is a lot of meat here. This thread of yours is a hefty piece of steak! Very Happy

DC, what is your opinion on the information regarding Apollonius/Pol thus far? If you have yet to research him the link below is a good start.

http://www.mountainman.com.au/apollonius_of_tyana.htm

Htp

by DarkChylde on Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:24 pm

YATI(Your Arms To Israel) is the ones who published the Restoration Scriptures I have. It is a bunch of Hebrew scholars that have tried to 'restore' the scriptures (which the oldest copies the Vatican has are in Greek of course) back to the Peshitte Aramaic. Now, YATI has thier own two-bayit (house) theory they are trying to prove, but thier research is very good and I have learned alot from using it.
Here is a link to the one I have: http://store.yourarmstoisrael.org/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1139596726

Chukuma, I have to dig into that site later, I am limited on time (as usual Sad

) and will have to get back to you on this, but I will! Pinky swear! Laughing

by Chukuma on Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:09 pm

DarkChylde wrote:YATI(Your Arms To Israel) is the ones who published the Restoration Scriptures I have. It is a bunch of Hebrew scholars that have tried to 'restore' the scriptures (which the oldest copies the Vatican has are in Greek of course) back to the Peshitte Aramaic. Now, YATI has thier own two-bayit (house) theory they are trying to prove, but thier research is very good and I have learned alot from using it.
Here is a link to the one I have: http://store.yourarmstoisrael.org/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1139596726

Chukuma, I have to dig into that site later, I am limited on time (as usual ) and will have to get back to you on this, but I will! Pinky swear!

Reply:

Hey, DC. I understand. I bet you will dig into it! LOL - There's definitely enough to material to do so.

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