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Post by Pila on Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:32 pm

EATING LIFE WILL GIVE LIFE


From the book of Gabriel Cousens, Conscious EATING

What is important here is that this teaching is a direct quote of Jesus from an original Aramaic third-century manuscript found in the secret archives of the Vatican. It is not a teaching by implication. The message is consistent with Jesus’ own dietary practice and that of his community of birth and where he grew up, which also practiced vegetarianism. Aside from these exciting findings, most of the information concerning Jesus’ explicit teachings on this subject has been lost or destroyed. One exception is the work by Epiphanies (A.D. 315-403) a Catholic bishop of Constantia in Cyprus. In his book Panarion.


When Jesus was asked, "tell me, please, why sayest thou, do not eat the flesh if animals….? "Jesus' beautiful answer to him was; "Behold this watermelon, the fruit of the earth" Jesus then broke open the watermelon and said: "See thou with thine own eyes the good fruit of the soil, the meat of man, and see thou the seeds within, count ye them, for one melon maketh a humdredfold and even more.

If thou sow this seed, ye do eat from the true God, for no blood was spilled, nay no pain nor outcry sis ye hear with thy ears or see with thine eyes. The true food of man is from the mother of the earth, for she brings forth perfect gifts unto the humble of the land. But ye seek what Satan giveth, the anguish, the death, and the blood of living souls taken by the sword. Know ye not, those who live by the sword are the ones who die by the same death? Go thine way then, and plant the seeds of the good fruit of life, and leave ye off from hurting the innocent creatures of God."

In a teaching to his disciples in Lection XXXII, verse 4, of The Gospel of the Hebrews, Jesus is completely clear about his opposition to killing and eating animals:

For of the fruits of the trees and the seeds of the herbs alone do I partake, and these are changed by the Spirit into my flesh and my blood. Of these alone and their like shall ye eat who believe in me, and are my disciples, for of these, in the Spirit, come to life and health and healing unto man.

In the same section, verse 9, Jesus explains the problem of the custom of flesh-eating with an understanding of the past and a prophecy for the future return to vegetarianism for the whole world:

Verily I say unto you, in the beginning, all creatures of God did find their sustenance in the herbs and the fruits of the earth alone, till the ignorance and the selfishness of man turned many of them from the use which God had given them, to that which was contrary to their original use, but even these shall yet return to their natural food, as it is written in the prophets (Isaiah), and their words shall not fail.

In Lection XXXVIII, verses 3, 4, and 6 of The Gospel of the Hebrews, the spiritual meaning of the awareness and practice of the oneness with all of life is translated into Jesus" teachings of vegetarianism and noncruelty to animals and all of life; His words are consistent with the awareness one would expect from someone of Jesus' great spiritual stature:

3 God giveth the grains and the fruits of the eaeth for food; and for righteous man truly there is no other lawful sustenance for the body.

4 The robber who breaketh into the house made by man is guilty, but they who break into the house made by God, even of the least of these are the greater sinners.(Parasites)

5 Wherefore I say unto all who desire to be my disciples, keep your hands from bloodshed and let no flesh meat enter your mouths, for God is just and bountiful, who ordaineth that man shall live by the fruits and seeds of the earth alone.

6 And whatsoever ye do unto the least of these my children, ye do it unto me. For I am in them and they are in me, yea, I am in all creatures and all creatures are in me.(The light of LIFE) In all their joys I rejoice, in all their afflictions I am afflicted. Wherefore I say unto you: Be ye kind one to another, and to all the creatures of God.




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Post by Admin on Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:29 pm

Pila wrote:EATING LIFE WILL GIVE LIFE


From the book of Gabriel Cousens, Conscious EATING

What is important here is that this teaching is a direct quote of Jesus from an original Aramaic third-century manuscript found in the secret archives of the Vatican. It is not a teaching by implication. The message is consistent with Jesus’ own dietary practice and that of his community of birth and where he grew up, which also practiced vegetarianism. Aside from these exciting findings, most of the information concerning Jesus’ explicit teachings on this subject has been lost or destroyed. One exception is the work by Epiphanies (A.D. 315-403) a Catholic bishop of Constantia in Cyprus. In his book Panarion.


When Jesus was asked, "tell me, please, why sayest thou, do not eat the flesh if animals….? "Jesus' beautiful answer to him was; "Behold this watermelon, the fruit of the earth" Jesus then broke open the watermelon and said: "See thou with thine own eyes the good fruit of the soil, the meat of man, and see thou the seeds within, count ye them, for one melon maketh a humdredfold and even more.

If thou sow this seed, ye do eat from the true God, for no blood was spilled, nay no pain nor outcry sis ye hear with thy ears or see with thine eyes. The true food of man is from the mother of the earth, for she brings forth perfect gifts unto the humble of the land. But ye seek what Satan giveth, the anguish, the death, and the blood of living souls taken by the sword. Know ye not, those who live by the sword are the ones who die by the same death? Go thine way then, and plant the seeds of the good fruit of life, and leave ye off from hurting the innocent creatures of God."

I am a little confused here. Are you claiming that the above quote is from an early Aaramaic manuscript found in the Vatican's Secret Archives? I know of one such claim by Edmond Bordeaux Szekely to have found such a manuscript, which was published in four volumes between 1937 and 1981, entitled variously "The Gospel of Peace of Jesus the Christ" and "The Essene Gospel of Peace" (Books 1 to 4). But, although it is a beautiful and inspiring work, it is a modern forgery.

If this is not the work from which you quoted, please give us your original source.


In a teaching to his disciples in Lection XXXII, verse 4, of The Gospel of the Hebrews, Jesus is completely clear about his opposition to killing and eating animals:

For of the fruits of the trees and the seeds of the herbs alone do I partake, and these are changed by the Spirit into my flesh and my blood. Of these alone and their like shall ye eat who believe in me, and are my disciples, for of these, in the Spirit, come to life and health and healing unto man.

In the same section, verse 9, Jesus explains the problem of the custom of flesh-eating with an understanding of the past and a prophecy for the future return to vegetarianism for the whole world:

Verily I say unto you, in the beginning, all creatures of God did find their sustenance in the herbs and the fruits of the earth alone, till the ignorance and the selfishness of man turned many of them from the use which God had given them, to that which was contrary to their original use, but even these shall yet return to their natural food, as it is written in the prophets (Isaiah), and their words shall not fail.

In Lection XXXVIII, verses 3, 4, and 6 of The Gospel of the Hebrews, the spiritual meaning of the awareness and practice of the oneness with all of life is translated into Jesus" teachings of vegetarianism and noncruelty to animals and all of life; His words are consistent with the awareness one would expect from someone of Jesus' great spiritual stature:

3 God giveth the grains and the fruits of the eaeth for food; and for righteous man truly there is no other lawful sustenance for the body.

4 The robber who breaketh into the house made by man is guilty, but they who break into the house made by God, even of the least of these are the greater sinners.(Parasites)

5 Wherefore I say unto all who desire to be my disciples, keep your hands from bloodshed and let no flesh meat enter your mouths, for God is just and bountiful, who ordaineth that man shall live by the fruits and seeds of the earth alone.

6 And whatsoever ye do unto the least of these my children, ye do it unto me. For I am in them and they are in me, yea, I am in all creatures and all creatures are in me.(The light of LIFE) In all their joys I rejoice, in all their afflictions I am afflicted. Wherefore I say unto you: Be ye kind one to another, and to all the creatures of God.

I am afraid these quotes you give above are not from 'The Gospel of the Hebrews' (as you, and a certain web-site claim), they are from the so-called "Gospel of the Holy Twelve", by Rev. G. J. R. Ouseley {
TO SEE - CLICK HERE}, which is another forgery. This work was claimed to have been translated from another ancient Aramaic manuscript which was, according to the author, found in a Tibetan Buddhist monastery last century. Of course, like Joseph Smith's golden tablets, it simply vanished into thin air.

Just reading the text should tell you that it is merely an idealized fiction.

We must be very careful before merely accepting things which we are told. You will find that no reputable publishers or web-sites even mention this work.

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Re: Eating Life will Give LIFE

Post by Pila on Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:30 am

These writing came From the book of Gabriel Cousens, Conscious EATING. Where he got them from I don't know.



But what I do know is it is truth, for I live it in truth. After I did my first purification, I went back to eating like I did before the Cleanse, Within a month I could only see the light in the mornings when I first woke up.

So the next year I did the purification again and got to the light within so I could see it anytime I liked. So this time I only ate LIFE,(anything without a bar code) and from that time till now I can see the light anytime I like. My whole body became alive, and even my gray hair went from gray to brown. And many other healings took place, That was 18 years ago. I didn't start teaching Life till Jan. 07, In that year I took 130 of God's children to the Light within, and I tell them how to keep it, some do and the others, they went back to the world of Darkness.

If God's Holy Temple is clean, and you eat Life, Life will be add onto you. Old age is a diease of the world.


When Jesus was asked, "tell me, please, why sayest thou, do not eat the flesh if animals….? "Jesus' beautiful answer to him was; "Behold this watermelon, the fruit of the earth" Jesus then broke open the watermelon and said: "See thou with thine own eyes the good fruit of the soil, the meat of man, and see thou the seeds within, count ye them, for one melon maketh a humdredfold and even more.

If thou sow this seed, ye do eat from the true God, for no blood was spilled, nay no pain nor outcry sis ye hear with thy ears or see with thine eyes. The true food of man is from the mother of the earth, for she brings forth perfect gifts unto the humble of the land. But ye seek what Satan giveth, the anguish, the death, and the blood of living souls taken by the sword. Know ye not, those who live by the sword are the ones who die by the same death? Go thine way then, and plant the seeds of the good fruit of life, and leave ye off from hurting the innocent creatures of God."


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Post by Admin on Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:55 am

Pila wrote:These writing came From the book of Gabriel Cousens, Conscious EATING. Where he got them from I don't know.

But what I do know is it is truth, for I live it in truth.

Yes, I agree that the contents about being vegetarian are very true. But it would have been better (honest) for the author not to have tried to make out that it was translated from some ancient manuscript composed by an Apostle of Jesus.

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Re: Eating Life will Give LIFE

Post by Mr.Joseph on Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:20 am

But in the bible where Jesus fed his disciples fish...

John 21:12

12 Jesus told them, "Come, have breakfast." None of the disciples dared to ask him who he was. They knew he was the Lord. 13 Then Jesus came and took the bread, gave it to them, and the fish likewise.

isnt that considered non vegetarian

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Post by The_Passerby on Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:32 am

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Pila wrote:These writing came From the book of Gabriel Cousens, Conscious EATING. Where he got them from I don't know.

But what I do know is it is truth, for I live it in truth.

Yes, I agree that the contents about being vegetarian are very true. But it would have been better (honest) for the author not to have tried to make out that it was translated from some ancient manuscript composed by an Apostle of Jesus.

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He could've channeled it, Bob. The interesting thing about the Nazirene/Light Gospel is the fact that when it first came to surface it was before the findings of the Thomas Gospel, yet it contains sayings and such that are parallel to it and the Phillip Gospel, so it is a bit interesting. Likewise it contains accounts which if you look back at the scriptures can see where it may have fit, like the what occurred to Johns father. In the canonical scriptures you don't know what happened to him, yet within those same scriptures Yeshua makes a statement to the pharisees about the blood of Zacharias who they slew between the alters. The severely edited and corrupted canonical scriptures, as you know, are no more authoritative in my mind.

IMO I would not be so quick to make judgments. I understand what you are saying, but you don't know the circumstances surrounding it. Nonetheless, truth is truth.

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Post by The_Passerby on Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:09 am

Mr.Joseph wrote:But in the bible where Jesus fed his disciples fish...

John 21:12

12 Jesus told them, "Come, have breakfast." None of the disciples dared to ask him who he was. They knew he was the Lord. 13 Then Jesus came and took the bread, gave it to them, and the fish likewise.

isnt that considered non vegetarian


Mr.Joseph the scriptures are allegories, a fish had a esoteric meaning. HOWEVER the original scripture from which is the source of them all, the Hebrew version of Matthew, it was not like tat at all.

"And again after a little bit: Bear forth, said the Lord, a table and bread. And immediately is added: He bore bread and blessed it, and broke it, and gave it to James the just, and said to him: My brother, eat your bread, because the son of man has resurrected from among those who sleep."


Although Epiphanius was a idotic church father from the late 3rd/4th century that didn't know the Hebrew Gospel was the authentic, he takes about it, so he mentions what was in the scripture itself,
"And John was baptizing, and Pharisees went out to him
and were baptized, and all Jerusalem. And John had clothing from the hairs of a camel, and a skin belt around his loin. And his food, it says, was wild honey whose taste was of manna, as cake in oil. So that clearly they exchange the word of truth for a falsehood, and instead of locusts they make it cakes in honey."... "And they themselves, having removed from themselves the following of the truth, changed the word, which is apparent to all from the words in context, and made the disciples to say: Where do you wish us to prepare the Passover for you to eat? And they made him to clearly say: It is not with desire that I have desired to eat meat, this Passover, with you, is it?"..."I came to abolish the sacrifices, and, if you do not cease to sacrifice, the wrath will not cease from you." To understand that sacrifice quote a little more, this is what Early Church Father Clement of Alexandria explained: "Sacrifices were invented by men to be a pretext for Eating the Flesh of Animals." Sacrificing the animals to your belly, your lower nature. You have to remember that Yeshua was a Nazirene, of the Nazir. Which means he would not at all consume flesh, but was consecrated.

Likewise it is important to perceive that he came fom the Essenes which were vegetarian, the first followers in his Way were the Ebionite/Nazirenes who were vegetarian and they were under his Borther James/Jacob the Just who was himself documented as a Vegetarian (he was the head of the church in Jersualem).


In describing James ascetic lifestyle, Saint Jerome, De Viris Illustribus, quotes Hegesippus' account of James from the fifth book of Hegesippus' lost Commentaries:

"After the apostles, James the brother of the Lord surnamed the Just was made head of the Church at Jerusalem. Many indeed are called James. This onewas holy from his mother's womb. He drank neither wine nor strong drink, ate no flesh, never shaved or anointed himself with ointment or bathed. He alone had the privilege of entering the Holy of Holies, since indeed he did not use woolen vestments but linen and went alone into the temple and prayed in behalf of the people, insomuch that his knees were reputed to have acquired the hardness of camels' knees."

The oldest known complete copy of our Gospels: Evangelion Da - Mepharresh, Luke
21:34: "See that you do not make your minds
heavy, to do this, never eat meat or drink wine."


Matthew likewise, Clement of Alexandria:"Accordingly, the apostle Matthew partook of seeds, and nuts, and vegetables, without flesh" (Clement; The Instructor)

In the Clementine Homilies, Peter says, Clementine Homily 7, chap 4: “Wherefore, as then ye were deceived by the forerunner
Simon, and so became dead in your souls to God, and were smitten in your
bodies; so now, if you repent, as I said, and submit to those things which are well-pleasing to God, you may get new strength to your bodies, and recover your soul’s health. And the things which are well-pleasing to God are these: to pray to Him, to ask from Him, recognizing that He is the giver of all things, and gives with discriminating law; to abstain from the table of devils, not to taste dead flesh, not to touch blood; to be washed from all pollution; and therest in one word, as the God-fearing Jews"

"But the reason whythe demons delight in entering into men's bodies is that, being disembodied spirits and having perverted desires after meat and sex, but not being able to partake of these due to being spirits, and wanting organs fitted for their enjoyment, they enter the bodies of men in order to gain organs with which to satisfy their lusts, both meat and sex."


"But you are still ignorant of this law, that everyone who worships demons or their idols, or sacrifices to them, or partakes with them of their table, shall become subject to them and receive all punishment from them, as being under wicked lords. And you who, on account of ignorance of this law, have been corrupted beside their altars, and have been satiated with food offered to them, have come under their power, and do not know you have been in every way injured in respect of your bodies. But you ought to know that the demons have no power over any one, unless first he be their table-companion; since not even their chief can do anything contrary to the law imposed upon them by God wherein the demons have no power over any one who does not worship them by being their table-companions in the eating of flesh.... But you, being ignorant of the foreordained law, are under the power of the chief of demons through evil deeds, wherefore you are polluted in body and soul, and in the present life you are tyrannized over by sufferings and demons.... If therefore, ye wish to be the vesture of the Divine Spirit,.... neither believe in idols, nor partake with them of the impure table...."

Remember the scriptures have a 3 fold nature, so the part about demons have a esoteric application.

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Post by Admin on Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:53 am

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Admin wrote:
Pila wrote:These writing came From the book of Gabriel Cousens, Conscious EATING. Where he got them from I don't know.

But what I do know is it is truth, for I live it in truth.

Yes, I agree that the contents about being vegetarian are very true. But it would have been better (honest) for the author not to have tried to make out that it was translated from some ancient manuscript composed by an Apostle of Jesus.

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He could've channeled it, Bob..... IMO I would not be so quick to make judgments. I understand what you are saying, but you don't know the circumstances surrounding it. Nonetheless, truth is truth.


I was merely stating what the Preface of the book itself stated:
This "Gospel of the Holy Twelve" (Evangelists) of the Christian Dispensation is one of the most ancient and complete of early Christian fragments, preserved in one of the Monasteries of the Buddhist monks in Thibet, where it was hidden by some of the Essene community for safety from the hands of corrupters and now for the first time translated from the Aramaic. The contents clearly show it to be an early Essenian writing. This ancient community of the Jewish Church called Yessenes, Iessenes, Nazarites, or Nazirs, strongly resembling the Therapeutae, and the Buddhists, who practised community of goods, daily ablutions, daily worship, and renounced flesh
eating, and strong drink and the sacrifice of animals, and the doctrine of "atonement" for the sins of some by the vicarious and involuntary suffering of others, as held by the Pharisees and Sadducees, and by the heathen before them; thus preparing the way for those Orders and Communities of men and women which have since arisen throughout the East and West, like cities set on hill, to shew the more perfect way to Christians living. in the world, notably those of S. Basil in the East, and S. Benedict in the West, and, with them, the Carthusians and the Franciscans, and before them all, the Carmelites (who had their headquarters on Mount Carmel) to whom they are similar in their customs, and even their dress, if not altogether identical with them, tracing their origin to Elias, abstaining from all flesh meats and strong drinks, whose symbol was, it is said, an iron cross in a circle, and among the animals, the Lamb and the Dove their special emblems. See Philo (in Loco) or Kitto's Cyclopaedia (art, Essenes), also Arthur Lillie's "Christianity and Buddhism."

The web-site which holds the contents of this text goes on to state:
"This Gospel record is the recovered document from which the Four Gospels as we have them today were built upon. It was the first formulated life of the Christ and was written by St. John about the year 70 AD., when he was imprisoned in Rome and given page by page to one whom he could trust.
When the scroll was completed and after its contents had been made known to the Apostles, it was taken to Tibet by the same disciple, who left it in the care of a unnamed lama. Here, it remained until a friar, named Placidus, visited the monastery in the eighteen seventies and asked if he might show it to the Church Authorities in Rome.
The scroll was then given to him and on the way home, which took a long time, he translated a portion of it into Latin and on his arrival in Rome read it to the assembled Cardinals. At first they were impressed, but as he proceeded to reveal the contents they realised that to make it known would discredit the Church which had, during the Council of Nicea, eliminated from the Gospels the Master's teaching about the love and care of animals and about abstaining from eating flesh-foods. And so the scroll was hidden away in the archives of the Vatican, where it remains to this day."
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As I stated, I agree with all the pacifistic sentiments of this work, but I do not feel it necessary to deceive the public in order to receive attention for any modern work. This has been done a number of times in the past, and is, in my opinion, as bad as trying to dupe the public with such things as the 'Hitler Diaries', etc. etc. There is simply no excuse for fraud ~ with or without good intentions.

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