A NEW NAME !

Rev 2:17 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches. To him that overcometh, to him will I give of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and upon the stone a new name written, which no one knoweth but he that receiveth it."

Rev 3:12 "He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the Name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name."

There are two names mentioned in the last verse - the (Holy) Name of God, AND the Messiah's (mine) own newname! This new name of the Messiah is mentioned in both passages. So what is the meaning of the Messiah's "new name" mentioned here?

PLU

Admin wrote:Rev 2:17 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches. To him that overcometh, to him will I give of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and upon the stone a new name written, which no one knoweth but he that receiveth it."

Rev 3:12 "He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the Name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name."

There are two names mentioned in the last verse - the (Holy) Name of God, AND the Messiah's (mine) own newname! This new name of the Messiah is mentioned in both passages. So what is the meaning of the Messiah's "new name" mentioned here?

PLU

Perhaps reading this post in conjunction with this (CLICK HERE) might raise some ideas.

PLU

Gods real name and my real name is "I''. There is only the "I"








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angelfire wrote:Gods real name and my real name is "I''. There is only the "I"

This does not answer the question I posed about the "new" name of the 'Lord' (N.B. this is not referring to the Eternal and Unchanging 'NAME' of God ~ see {CLICK} here!).

My personal interpretation of these passages from Revelations (i.e. Rev 2:17 & Rev 3:12) is that they refer to a new (later) incarnation of the Christ Spirit, i.e. a new (i.e. another) living MASTER, with a "new" (i.e. different) name.

PLU

I think that whatever we call God is the son (or daughter) naming the Father (or Mother), and while I refer in Valentinian terms as the ONE or the Father (there are other terms, but different facets of the same gem), there really IS no name for God, as we are speaking of incorruptability with corruptable tongues and brains. If God REALLY had a name, I doubt I could pronounce it....

DarkChylde wrote:I think that whatever we call God is the son (or daughter) naming the Father (or Mother), and while I refer in Valentinian terms as the ONE or the Father (there are other terms, but different facets of the same gem), there really IS no name for God, as we are speaking of incorruptability with corruptable tongues and brains. If God REALLY had a name, I doubt I could pronounce it....

Indeed, what is termed the 'Name' / 'Logos' / 'Word' (of God) is not a word in any human language. It cannot be pronounced with our lips - it is actually the mystic/ethereal primordial vibration which resonates upon our breath.

The Gospel of Truth (from the Nag Hammadi Collection) puts it like this:

“He (the Father) revealed how the Living Word is not made up of vowels or consonants, that one might read it and think of something foolish, but Spiritual letters of Truth which they alone invoke who know them… The Name is not formed of letters, nor does His Name consist of appellations, but it is invisible.” (NHL – Gospel of Truth).

PLU

Good point!

Unfortunately, I don't think many people could consider communicating any other way... Maybe THAT is why there are so many names for the same thing (and why people get so mad thinking THEIR name is the 'right' name...)

DarkChylde wrote:Good point!

Unfortunately, I don't think many people could consider communicating any other way... Maybe THAT is why there are so many names for the same thing (and why people get so mad thinking THEIR name is the 'right' name...)

Yes ~ God, Allah, Bhagwan, Elohim, etc., are merely 'pronouns' used for speaking or writing about the truth.

Jesus/Yehoshua (the terms) are not 'THE' NAME! Although Jesus/Yehoshua (and Buddha, Moses, etc. ~ i.e. the incarnations themselves) were 'AT-ONE-WITH' the NAME.

It is THE NAME which is the very Essence and Power of Truth ~ that which we must KNOW and become UNITED (AT-ONE) with.

PLU

Yes ~ God, Allah, Bhagwan, Elohim, etc., are merely 'pronouns' used for speaking or writing about the truth.

Jesus/Yehoshua (the terms) are not 'THE' NAME! Although Jesus/Yehoshua (and Buddha, Moses, etc. ~ i.e. the incarnations themselves) were 'AT-ONE-WITH' the NAME.

It is THE NAME which is the very Essence and Power of Truth ~ that which we must KNOW and become UNITED (AT-ONE) with.

PLU

Bob... NICE. He (Yeshua) came in his Father's Name.
"AT-ONE-WITH". Yes,yes,yes.

Bob, are you familiar with AUM? I'm sure you are.

Peace to you always.
AYOGI

AYOGI wrote:

Yes ~ God, Allah, Bhagwan, Elohim, etc., are merely 'pronouns' used for speaking or writing about the truth.

Jesus/Yehoshua (the terms) are not 'THE' NAME! Although Jesus/Yehoshua (and Buddha, Moses, etc. ~ i.e. the incarnations themselves) were 'AT-ONE-WITH' the NAME.

It is THE NAME which is the very Essence and Power of Truth ~ that which we must KNOW and become UNITED (AT-ONE) with.

PLU

Bob... NICE. He (Yeshua) came in his Father's Name.
"AT-ONE-WITH". Yes,yes,yes.

Bob, are you familiar with AUM? I'm sure you are.

Peace to you always.
AYOGI

Hi AYOGI

Yes I am familiar with the term AUM (from Hindu and Buddhist tradition), but it is not what I would consider the 'highest' and 'true' Name of God, i.e. the ineffable sacred Name.

PLU

There's a science called..."Harmonics", I think. There some researchers put sand or other fine material on a tray and play various sounds. To see what kinds of shapes that appear on the tray. When a loud and clear enough "Aum" is played, exactly the Sanskrit shape for that word appears on the tray.

BB

BelzeBob wrote:There's a science called..."Harmonics", I think. There some researchers put sand or other fine material on a tray and play various sounds. To see what kinds of shapes that appear on the tray. When a loud and clear enough "Aum" is played, exactly the Sanskrit shape for that word appears on the tray.

BB

Interesting, but I could find nothing on the net about this phenomenon. Do you remember where you found it?

PLU

In the Nexus magazine. Oh, this science is called "Cymatics."
Here's a link:
http://www.cymaticsource.com/

BB

Eckankar got it right, they say the name of god is 'HU'.

If you say the word 'HU' strung out similar to 'Aum' it has a resonance of its own.
I have found it VERY useful in calming my mind & body.

Also note 'HUman' as in Human Being, translated to GODmen.
I think it is appropriate, hence my forum name.

BelievHUman wrote:Eckankar got it right, they say the name of god is 'HU'.

If you say the word 'HU' strung out similar to 'Aum' it has a resonance of its own.
I have found it VERY useful in calming my mind & body.

Also note 'HUman' as in Human Being, translated to GODmen.
I think it is appropriate, hence my forum name.

It's an interesting theory. The sufis also shout "Hu!" as they begin to dance.