WILL JESUS RETURN TO EARTH

Do all Christians believe that one day Jesus, Himself, will return to Earth in a physical body?

I would really like to know what beliefs are held on this subject, and how Christians believe he will return - e.g. flying through the sky like superman (I have seen such drawings in certain Christian literature), or just miraculously appearing out of thin air, or being born once more as a human baby?

PLU

Admin wrote:Do all Christians believe that one day Jesus, Himself, will return to Earth in a physical body?

I would really like to know what beliefs are held on this subject, and how Christians believe he will return - e.g. flying through the sky like superman (I have seen such drawings in certain Christian literature), or just miraculously appearing out of thin air, or being born once more as a human baby?

PLU

This boils down to the resurrection. Many, even to this day only see Christ in a physical body. This is how they arrive at this deduction. He did come and dwell amongst us, as in a fleshly body, but He came from above, and this is where He was raised to. Many only see Him being raised back to where He came (earth), and not to where He came from (Spirit). For Christ to be fully resurrected, it would have to be from where He came. Besides this...Christ in us, the hope of glory...is only fulfilled in Spirit and power.

Try explaining this to many christians, see how quickly they will begin to throw out their favorite word, 'heretic'. They love that word. But then, I'm just a big ole hairy-tick,

Peace.

Wow, Gary, that is JUST what I think as well!
And no, they DON"T want to hear it. They are happily asleep, and grumpy if you wake 'em up.... (I know, I get heretic and false teacher thrown at me ALOT, or just devil possessed. )

DarkChylde wrote:Wow, Gary, that is JUST what I think as well!
And no, they DON"T want to hear it. They are happily asleep, and grumpy if you wake 'em up.... (I know, I get heretic and false teacher thrown at me ALOT, or just devil possessed. )

Amen! It's the gospel in a nutshell, yet has been lost through tradition and the commandments of man. That same glory that Christ reveals to us, is promised to us as well. What a great gift and 'good news', that God is bestowing upon us. This is why He is worthy of praise and thanks.

It's a great honor and in good company to be thought evil of in the name of Christ. They don't want to hear this, because this one Truth destroys their whole foundation, and they will do whatever they feel appropiate to do Gods' service. History attests to this and the bible prophesizes it to take place.

Nobody can take that joy away from you. It's a seal between you and God, a fortress built upon a high mountain, unable to be broken by the vanity of man.

Being in a long journey, and from that great witness, has given us expectation, inexplainable joy, and the desire to persevere, for we know what is ahead. May you walk not forgetting, knowing how easy it is in this world to lose our way, but continue knowing in advance the destination.

Boy, what a rambler I am today. Jeesh!

Gary

Hello

Pardon my humor, but Jesus coming back? After his experience last time?
No, I don't think so. He did it once and he did it perfect. Another, or many others may come, but I think Jesus wants to wait some 1000 years more.

And, it's a big universe. Maybe Jesus has some task somewhere else.

People are lazy. First Jesus comes and dies for their sins and saves them. And then they expect him to come again and rectify all the mess they've made on Earth since last time?

Well, what do I know?

BB

BB, I can't pardon your humor, it is too hilarious, and spot on as well! Heh heh. Yeah, I think his last experience shows He saw all to well what happens when the pearls are thrown to the swine, so to speak. But I do believe in love He would do it all again, but that doesn't mean he will (or is supposed to).

I DO know that all things will return to thier root. I believe that 'Christ's return' will not be a physical manifestation, but a time when He will be made manifest in hearts (already is, and by some on this forum I would wager) of people, that is a 'kind' of second coming. People that are obsessed with his physical apperance are obessed with the physical, and have no understanding of spiritual because of that. Ears to hear, you know....

DK,

seriously. I don't know what it means that he will come again.

Maybe he will re-incarnate?
What exactly does he say in the Bible?

I think Jesus is like any good businessman - he's caring about his investment.
Or a shepherd caring about his flock. Something like that.

I also think we're giving Jesus and God (and all appointed angels who are watching us on Earth) some gray hairs. I think we're probably among the most badly behaved creatures in the universe and are seriously trying our Creator's patience.

If you have a lot of patience and discipline.*, I recommend you to read "Beelzebub's tales to his grandson" by Gurdjieff. It's about the entire history of the Earth and mankind from day 1 until the beginning of the 1900's (*you'll need it.) I'd say it's extremely interesting. And quite funny at times.

Beelzebub was/is a (very long-lived) being in a distant solar system who had misbehaved and was ordered by the Creator to live in our solar system for a period of time. First he lived on Mars (he flew in his spaceship) and later, when humanity was created, he moved to Earth. Then he observed the development of humanity unfold with great interest.

Beelzebub is sitting on a very long spaceship-journey and he's telling stories from his youth to his grandson Hassan who is an eager listener and wants to hear more and more about these strenge beings on "Earth".

BB

Well, I think he HAS reincarneated, and while many candles can be lit from one tiny flame, his spirit continues to show itself in ALL of those who manifest unconditional love. But as an aeon, the Christos didn't reincarnate, but Yeshua did.
I believe it is the Christos that comes to us, that is 'born again' in us when we allow His teachings and His words to work the changes in our lives, that make us more loving and open to the ONE.
I enjoy your input, your wisdom, and your humor. Hope to hear more!!

Boy Bob that is such an interesting question, To tell you the truth I was wondering what You would say on that actually...LOLOL ok
I`m trying to think of all the scripture associated with this, and basically it is in Revalations, where He states there will be a New Heaven and a New Earth for all the elect and all who have died for Christ and the Father previous. he also talks of the Holy city that will be in his new Creation having walls with still all those that are with Mammon on the outside and only those truely of God within. There will be many armies on the outside too planning to war against God and the ones on the inside for the last time. So many would assume if there are bad rascles there, the earth would be the same as it is now right, which is actually infested with bad. But Because Christ tells his Apostles the world has no deficiency for the deficiency is in the hearts of men. and intruth the kingdom of Heaven is here already for those that see it. So even with those truths stated. He does say heaven and earth will pass away that no flesh will be saved. So here is were some thinking comes in. How if no flesh is save the rascels end up on the new earth before the Judgement which will be in 1000 years of Heavens time explained in Pistis Sophia, which constitutes 365,000,000 years in present earth time as one day to a thousand years, Bible and Gnostics explaine.
one thing to think about is as in what manner will be this new earth fashioned. I`m thinking now it cannot be as we have it, due to it was created by the rullers on the design of the parents. The rullers I would think will have nothing to do with this new one, cause they are on there way to the outer darkness with limited building powers left, especially after all the required number of elect have come knowledge. with all the collors of Gems discribed , its either going to be a Big Ebay LOL kidding or most like a creation which has never been inwhich will be a City of Loving Light. which is not to be thought of in earthy light terms but of all creational light. He tells us at the Consumation we will be told of the Expansion of the Universe. We could not understand it being in the flesh. so basically to this same earth, No, to a new earth of some fashion Yes.... what fashion No idea LOLOL.. If I make it that far, I`ll wait for directions... thats fine for me.

I personally interpet Revelations to be about the orthodox view corrupting the true message and beleivers of Christ, myself. The book never made sense to me before, until I thought of it that way. If you read the Apochyphon of John, much of the same symbolism is used, and could be about Rome and the fledgeling Catholic church taking over and changing Christ's message. (Why so many references to 7, as there are 7 main 'hills' in Rome, as well as 7 main roads that went in and out of Rome.
I feel the 'new kingdom' is one where Christ WILL come again, but not in a body, but the Christos will become awakened in every man and woman, and they would all be as Yeshua (Jesus) was. Now wouldn't THAT be heaven? He has come again in some of us, those of us who embody the Christos. But could you imagine what this physical reality would be like if we were all like Yeshua and Miriam magdala? Awesome!!

Prism1111 wrote:Boy Bob that is such an interesting question, To tell you the truth I was wondering what You would say on that actually...LOLOL ok
I`m trying to think of all the scripture associated with this, and basically it is in Revalations, where He states there will be a New Heaven and a New Earth for all the elect and all who have died for Christ and the Father previous. he also talks of the Holy city that will be in his new Creation having walls with still all those that are with Mammon on the outside and only those truely of God within. There will be many armies on the outside too planning to war against God and the ones on the inside for the last time. So many would assume if there are bad rascles there, the earth would be the same as it is now right, which is actually infested with bad. But Because Christ tells his Apostles the world has no deficiency for the deficiency is in the hearts of men. and intruth the kingdom of Heaven is here already for those that see it. So even with those truths stated. He does say heaven and earth will pass away that no flesh will be saved. So here is were some thinking comes in. How if no flesh is save the rascels end up on the new earth before the Judgement which will be in 1000 years of Heavens time explained in Pistis Sophia, which constitutes 365,000,000 years in present earth time as one day to a thousand years, Bible and Gnostics explaine.
one thing to think about is as in what manner will be this new earth fashioned. I`m thinking now it cannot be as we have it, due to it was created by the rullers on the design of the parents. The rullers I would think will have nothing to do with this new one, cause they are on there way to the outer darkness with limited building powers left, especially after all the required number of elect have come knowledge. with all the collors of Gems discribed , its either going to be a Big Ebay LOL kidding or most like a creation which has never been inwhich will be a City of Loving Light. which is not to be thought of in earthy light terms but of all creational light. He tells us at the Consumation we will be told of the Expansion of the Universe. We could not understand it being in the flesh. so basically to this same earth, No, to a new earth of some fashion Yes.... what fashion No idea LOLOL.. If I make it that far, I`ll wait for directions... thats fine for me.

One of the most important things to understand about Spiritual Truth is that there is actually no (reference to) past or future ~ IT IS ALL NOW! The Spiritual Kingdom is not something to come in the future ~ IT IS NOW! Realization of God is NOW ~ as it always has been NOW! ~ and as it always will be NOW!

PLU

Yep!! Dat's it!! Well put, Bob.

3. Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you.
When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."

Words of the Blessed One that got left out, told too much truth to allow for the control of the masses....

DC Your explaination of the Christos in Us has hit a very enlightening eye in myself also, and I do agree in all truth of it. I`m curious to ask you, what first formed your opinion about the orthadoxy of Revalations, to reflect a subversion rather than just and imprestionalistic explination of the visions of heaven for earthy men to corralate to?
I do know the first council of trent in 325 AD tampered with much of the new testament and literaly formed some of the books from Gnostic texts which have dates previous to it. So the chances of that happening also to revalations is possible too, but have only found proof that John and Rev are the only ones that were not of others, from documented proof.
Just curious..



Bob
I do agree with all the words you stated regarding the importance in the Now. absolutly. But as we can also see something that happened in our life 20 years as if it were today, is because in the Spiritual realm of Schooling , it was today. But I can see that the time element in this world being a slight cushion for the Spirits that have a heavy veil of forgetfulness apon them, and will in the coarse of time take the learning steps needed to achieve the fulness of the now and then time will tend to cease of be of none event or use to the Spirit, except only to utilize it in the helping of others from what we are selves came through and understand in a loving way.
But Bob You still didn`t answer the question on Christ, from Your view point,, which I would be very interested in hearing Honestly.

Brother Thomas

Prism1111 wrote:But Bob You still didn`t answer the question on Christ, from Your view point,, which I would be very interested in hearing Honestly.

Brother Thomas

OK. This is my personal understanding of the subject. I believe that when Jesus said He would return, He was referring to the 'Christ Spirit' which has always been incarnating in a continuous succession of Spiritual Masters throughout history. In the NT book of Hebrews it is referred to as the "succession of Melchizedek". I believe that every great and genuine Spiritual Master was a manifestation of the 'Christ Spirit' which continues to incarnate on Earth right up to our own day. Such Masters as Krishna, Zoroaster, Melchizedek, Moses, Buddha, Isaiah, John (the Baptist - Jesus' Teacher), Jesus, Mohammed, Guru Nanak, etc. etc. have all been, imo, Masters in this genuine line of Messiahs.

These Masters, I believe, are required in order to reveal the mystic 'keys' to the Kingdom of Heaven within ~ the great mystic experiences which are described elsewhere on this site. (see - CLICK - here)

I truly believe that finding the living contemporary Master today is all important for reaching our final goal on the Path.

Well ~ that's what I believe.

PLU

just as he left before he said it himself what to expect