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Post by sopherim7 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:26 pm

scratch there is one GOD ,he has many names some not even reveild yet.he is not my, you or there GOD he is our God. to be a jew means many things,it is a culture as well as a religion and one cannot really seaperate them the same for the nation of islam. Weare all either jew or gentile.the 24 elders represant the 12 tribes of isreal and the 12 disciples these each make up a body that will {escatological dualism} one day be one in christ. the jews wait for the comming messiah the christed wait for his return. Also so do the muslims, they wait for the return of{ issa ?} in jon 4 after speaking to the samaratian woman, a woman shunned according to the text, christ said salvation is OF the jews can any one tell me where it says
that " God is for the Jews" in context with an adress where it can be found?

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Re: who is God for

Post by Cha_Chynga on Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:03 am

those jews wait for their coming AS Christ... i.e. that's a antiChrist - someone taking Christs place. they are also antiChrist by rejecting Christ as well

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/dcontents.html

She's wrong in many things, and yet right in many as well

that site may expose many things about the jews of today

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Post by sopherim7 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:18 am

i once got into a very heated discussion with my pastor about this he was pissed as i said including Jews everyone that is not for Christ is against him . i think we are on the crux of this , peace will come to the middle east and it will be brought by the ANTI-CHRIST who the assume is the messiah because he will rebuild the temple and put back into place the animal sacrifice ,he insisted that because they were the chosen ones that makes a difference . belligerent as i am i argued my point . a very real deception of peace is about to unfold on the masses and then it will happen all hell shall break loose .these things are playing out ,they have begun and there is only going forward, the sign of Jonah has been given . Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.also comment a little further on what you mean in your statement above as far as what you mean about being wrong and right, im curious as to why you would say that! Idea Question

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Post by DarkChylde on Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:41 am

Well, according to the 'gnostic' view the creator god of the Hebrews we call the Demiurge and not that which sent Christ in the first place, not the 'Father' Yeshua spoke of.

The Father that was spoken of IS the true God, not the many variations of the Demiurge(false creator-god). That is why Yeshua spoke saying 'the law says this but I tell you this' kind of thing, and why he made an obscience to the established religion of the time (tho he seemed to abhor animal sacrifice and other aspects of the temple, such as the selling of the sacrificial animals) while at he same time realizing that the people there where searching for the truth, they wanted to know what the truth of God was, and the preistcraft had them all buffaloed into beleiving what they would have them beleive so they could be controlled that way, rather than turn sole responsibility for one's relaitonship to God over to the individual. Freedom of that was what Yeshua was striving for, and what all TRUE followers of Christ would strive for now if they would learn to pay attention to the words of Yeshua, blessed with the spirit of the CHRISTOS, that came to us in a skin suit to try to show us the way to gnosis, but His message got mistrued along the way, (tho Yeshua Himself predicted this would happen.)

Now, the Demiurge is also available to all, but in the various forms of YWHW, Allah, Ra, and all the other forms, as are the connection to the male-dying-resurrected savior that is typified by those who feel they need a human connection to God first. But as my 6 year old says 'God is right here in my heart,' THAT is where God is here and now, you only need to find it and connect to it, and that is the TRUE 'God', by the way, the limitless Light giving Light, the uncorruptable, the tower of strength and glory the maker of the world does not know......
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Animal sacrifice

Post by sojourner_8 on Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:04 pm

I always had a problem with this! Probably in the same way I have a problem with a God who wants us to spend eternity praising Him.
Too many human aspects attributed to the Divine!

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