IS JESUS EQUAL TO GOD ?

Charity51 wrote:Perhaps the father of a man is the spirit of a man?

Perhaps the quote should be "the Father of a man (i.e. God/Elohim = Spirit) is the Spirit of man"! Which IS entirely correct, for the Spirit is our innermost and true Father!

I remember that somewhere in the bible it says something like no one knows the man except the spirit of a man and I remember Jesus saying that no one knows the father except the son. We would be the seed of the spirit? The offspring or begotten of the spirit?

"I remember Jesus saying that no one knows the father except the son" and don't forget the important remainder - "and whosoever the son reveals Him."

Gnostics have also said that we contain (or are) "sparks" of the LIGHT, so I guess you might also say "seeds" of the Spirit. It is not complicated, no matter what metaphors we choose to use ~ we, in truth (our true Self), are simply SPIRIT.

PLU

Charity States;

Perhaps the father of a man is the spirit of a man? I remember that somewhere in the bible it says something like no one knows the man except the spirit of a man and I remember Jesus saying that no one knows the father except the son. We would be the seed of the spirit? The offspring or begotten of the spirit?

Just musing, any comments would be helpful. I plan on looking into this thought further in the coming weeks.


Charity greetings , You have hit the nail on the head in all correctness. For surrounding the ineffable Father is the eternal sea. Which those born of heaven have a drop of that Sea within us, which is our Spirit of the father. The seeking that Christ teaches us to do for understanding of the innermost inner is just that. When we have educated our soul into the proper sight needed to see and understand that Spirit within us, by trusting in the Holy Spirit also. Fulness will imerge in ourselves and a deeper knowledge will start to unfold.
But there is another part to this in understanding ourselves. The soul is free to seek that gnosis of the spirit, only under certain Laws of God which Christ came to teach us to do. As Scripture of John states " to lighten the light within Men, so that they will be Sons of God."
These basics are , the repentance of Sins (or releasing the bonds of the our Counterfeit Spirit) that contiually trys to make the soul Sin. So the third thing is the body. Like many I have heard Knows of God and the Spirit within them, and seek it continuosly with their soul, but still call the earth Evil and everything we are living in the thus ones body is part of that understanding so the Journey becomes more difficult.
Sorta like dragging a dead goat around ayy? LOL.. That to is talked of by Christ in Gods word. For the reason He went to the father after, was why? Because if he did not the one that is suppose to come after I leave won`t. The Holy Spirit , this is the ever imbracing glory of God that incompasses all His words and action and manifestation from the power of Christ words, it is the Love of the Father that comes to us for the instuctions of the Gnosis, The parents, and that which litturally allows us to stand.
As Christ said " For the Spirit is in all living things, in all realms always or man could not stand. So the trinity as mentioned by Churches in this regard By Christ explains it as one of the great Triple powers in Heaven and of earth.
So to keep ones Body following the soul, lead by the Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit that makes Animal man in to Divine man (Divine Anthropos) This is the born again event. Now the body will be a part of our Journey as long as we keep it Divine through what we do. This is the enduring part He mentions till the Consumation takes place. Jesus had to release these bonds also while present in the world to keep the that divinity to teach with of the Father in Him, as we also.
heres alittle parable which comes to me to explain it easier;
I as a Father of two boys, tell My sons to go and buy some grocies down the street, I also tell them to watch the traffic as you cross. Me as a father knows I need them to trust in my spirit, with the words I say to complete the task. The faith they will get to do the task will not be with them if they do not leave LOL... to go do it. Ounce in thier journey they can only rememeber and trust in what I said, by the physical departure. Christ departed to leave Us alone with the faith that would come to fulfill what he said all of the father, for I will always be with you.

Most of the informatio here You can read in the Apocryphon of John, and Pistis Sophia Charity. Thank You also Your few words did much enpowering of the Spirit in me to write that.

Your course is Bright
Your friend Thomas

Okay, here is my slant (warping, twisting, heh heh). The Apoch of John was our Genesis, Yochanan (John) was the most revered disciple of the Valentinians, tho Valentinus owned his apostolic succession to a student of Shaul (Paul). THe 'Father' (the ONE the great Prankantor (sp) neos have a myrid of names, but they are all the names of a son to a father, not hte FATHER"S name) is the uncorruptable (we are not, trapped/housed in physical bodies that will be rigid and decompose one day) and ever giving (we are bui;t to be ever-recieving, only when we have learned the truth and want to be ever creating will we channel this ever-giving part) light that exists that no human eye can see, but if you can develop (or are blessed with) Sight, then you can embody the Chirstos, and you are the light HERE in the corruptable realm. Not your body, silly, your 'self' (different from ego) where in your awareness of the Chirstos and the ONE in whose seed you carry within you connects you. The body is an alchemical vessel for our souls, like a robot we use to discover what we came here to find.
Have you found it yet?

Christ Claimed - the bible supports it, No contradiction. Jesus-Yahweah are the same!

Amen

Cha_Chynga wrote:Christ Claimed - the bible supports it, No contradiction. Jesus-Yahweah are the same!

Amen

What you must understand is that YAHWEH (LORD) means ‘being’ ("HE WHO IS") – i.e. the Lord, God-man, Christ, or Divine Teacher who incarnates on Earth. Whereas ELOHIM (GOD) is a plural word meaning ‘ethereal powers’ (i.e. the omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent Essence / Spirit of God). Thus Yehoshua was certainly the Lord ~ but not actually God (Elohim) Himself.

PLU ~ Bob

Charity51 wrote:Gnostics have also said that we contain (or are) "sparks" of the LIGHT, so I guess you might also say "seeds" of the Spirit. It is not complicated, no matter what metaphors we choose to use ~ we, in truth (our true Self), are simply SPIRIT.

PLU

Interesting. I LOVE finding little glimpses of Truth like that. There are only two other places around the mountain where I have found that truth. The Urantia Book, and some messages received this year, in the tradition of the Padgett Messages, and hosted on my personal website. The Indwelling Spirit

Actually its a VERY important part of things, the Indwelling Spirit.

On the matter of whether Jesus is God, I tend to favour what Jesus said himself, in English, not that many years ago, that I know has not been altered: Jesis is not God but was sent by the Father

Take care,
Geoff.