God is with the Jews!

Zechariah 8:23
"Thus says the LORD of hosts: 'In those days ten men [representatives of the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel?] from every language of the nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jewish man, saying, "Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.""

God is with the Jews!

Jews are a stubborn lot

Interesting, I read a little of yer website and you say the true followers of Christ worship the Jewish Creator God, while the false believers follow a corrupted version, tainted by Babylonian Mystery Religion. I could almost agree w/ you on this and then decide to follow Judaic Law, and all things Jewish, similar to the Essenes(?) at qumran. But then, something else comes to me. God appears to people in their own version. He appeared to Native Americans(specifically Hopi) as Massau(sounds similar to Messiah), appeared to Hindus as Krishna(sounds like Christ), and a number of people in a way they could accept and understand. God is not exclusive, He is a uniter. Offering salvation to all written in the Book Of Life. If you exist, salvation is guaranteed. What is salvation, though? Freedom, namely freedom from burden,guilt, pain. Freedom to be, unhindered. There's been times in my journey here where I felt like I should follow strict Judaic Law, like the Essenes, to purify myself of worldly filth. But then I was shown what The Christ has done for me, and all who exist. Atonement and redemption has already been accomplished. Our Purity is maintained by God in Heaven. Could/Would we go against His Will, well, the wages of sin is death, and what will die is already dead.Accept this fact, submit to the will of Christ and we shall enter the Stream of Life, Joy Everlasting. Would you offer Joy and Freedom, Puriity and Guiltlessness to All Beings. Well, that's because God would. If you wouldn't, though, then yer God won't, and salvation may be tough for you to achieve.
Peace, brother, and May we be guided to Love Everlasting.

theeternaliam wrote:Interesting, I read a little of yer website and you say the true followers of Christ worship the Jewish Creator God, while the false believers follow a corrupted version, tainted by Babylonian Mystery Religion. I could almost agree w/ you on this and then decide to follow Judaic Law, and all things Jewish, similar to the Essenes(?) at qumran. But then, something else comes to me. God appears to people in their own version. He appeared to Native Americans(specifically Hopi) as Massau(sounds similar to Messiah), appeared to Hindus as Krishna(sounds like Christ), and a number of people in a way they could accept and understand. God is not exclusive, He is a uniter. Offering salvation to all written in the Book Of Life. If you exist, salvation is guaranteed. What is salvation, though? Freedom, namely freedom from burden,guilt, pain. Freedom to be, unhindered. There's been times in my journey here where I felt like I should follow strict Judaic Law, like the Essenes, to purify myself of worldly filth. But then I was shown what The Christ has done for me, and all who exist. Atonement and redemption has already been accomplished. Our Purity is maintained by God in Heaven. Could/Would we go against His Will, well, the wages of sin is death, and what will die is already dead.Accept this fact, submit to the will of Christ and we shall enter the Stream of Life, Joy Everlasting. Would you offer Joy and Freedom, Puriity and Guiltlessness to All Beings. Well, that's because God would. If you wouldn't, though, then yer God won't, and salvation may be tough for you to achieve.
Peace, brother, and May we be guided to Love Everlasting.

Hi TEIA

Great post ~ thanks.

PLU ~ Bob

theeternaliam wrote:Interesting, I read a little of yer website and you say the true followers of Christ worship the Jewish Creator God, while the false believers follow a corrupted version, tainted by Babylonian Mystery Religion.

This is true.

But then, something else comes to me. God appears to people in their own version. He appeared to Native Americans(specifically Hopi) as Massau(sounds similar to Messiah), appeared to Hindus as Krishna(sounds like Christ), and a number of people in a way they could accept and understand. God is not exclusive, He is a uniter.

Unlike your ideas, I base my beliefs upon the Bible. The Bible would say whatever appeared to such folks, if it contradicts the Scriptures, is a demonic counterfeit. However, the Bible reveals that ultimately all nations/Gentiles will come to know and worship our Great Creator God, the God of Israel.

"However, the Bible reveals that ultimately all nations/Gentiles will come to know and worship our Great Creator God, the God of Israel."

I'd agree w/ you on this too. There will be One Holy Brotherhood worshipping One God. There is almost no difference b/w worshippers of Krishna and Christ. "And you shall know them by their fruits" Will followers of Krishna be saved if they don't worship the "Jewish" God. Yes, b/c they believe in The Good, The Holy Begetter of Good.

A demonic counterfeit? I can say w/o a doubt that no demon has power to "steal" salvation from any individual. All power belongs to Our Gracious Lord.

May God Humble Our Hearts So We May Receive His Holy Grace

Zechariah the name means Yahweh remembers he was a contemporary of Haggai he hails from the tribe of Levi and this guy was one of the greatest Messianic prophets of the old testament . his work is about repentance. picking up in chapter 8 it is about the future , its about Zion. and about the kingdom of god. the quote 0f 8:23 the nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jew and say let us go with you God is with you is telling us that there is a global attraction to the God of Israel
and many peoples from many nations shall seek him .IT is not because they are Jewish it is because salvation is of the Jews
jon4;22 i might add this is an excellent chapter it is one of my most favorites
also no created being either for christ or against christ can undo or take away what God has given, numbers 22, especieally athe blessing of salvation

Excellents posts, Iam, and VERY good point Sopherim, I just love the way you think.

I have decided not to post to Ben Ariel directly (not that he would be likely to answer anyhow), he has not the ears to hear (not yet anyway.)


To quote the Gospel of Thomas "The kingdom of God is inside you, and all around you." Words of the blessed one, and He didn't specify a specific 'bloodline.' I hate breed snobs even in horses....

i agree! it is also very sad that any one person thinks they are esteemed any higher then there brother.

"God is with the Jews."


Good topic.

Well, Define Jews though.

Because there's Jews and then there's Jews...
Those that understand what the Messiah really is, and those that condem the messiah as a man named Yeshua Ben Pandira.

Those that accept the living Father YHWH of Ayn Sof and then those that accept an anthropomorphic demiurge mis-transliteration "yahweh" or "jehovah."

And really, what do we know?

Alot of us believe information that is passed down to us through holy books like the Bible or the Torah but do not comprehend the origin of such texts and fail to realize how limiting belief is to begin with.

Such belief isn't knowing.
We have our own gnosis to come to know from.

Really, who can truly say God is with them and actually know what that means? When you base it on a definition in a book then you are missing the entire point.

You have to look internally. Those real Jews know this.

Anyone can claim to have the Christ incarnate but for most their deeds give them away as charletons.

It's important to see that anyone can connect with their source and they don't have to be labeled as Christian, Muslim, Jew or Gentile, etc...

"God" is not so much with the Jews exclusively, like it was posted, but can be with anyone who doesn't limit their search fo it by belief.

Unlike your ideas, I base my beliefs upon the Bible. The Bible would say whatever appeared to such folks, if it contradicts the Scriptures, is a demonic counterfeit. However, the Bible reveals that ultimately all nations/Gentiles will come to know and worship our Great Creator God, the God of Israel.

I would urge Caution my friend when you base your personal beliefs into something created from Mans hands. Anything that talks of a division within Gods creation of beings is not of the Father of Eternity. For the father needs no man or people to do his biding for Him, But rather for themselves to attain Him, why would he place any divisions there. Its the sons that need the father.

In the statement "The creator God, the God of Israel" For the mortal plain structure of things, and without understanding the Gnosis(Knowledge ) of the scriptures of Christ speaking of the true cestrial make up of all, It is a very true Statement. For who is God of this world. By Biblical difinition it is Satan of course. He could have never offered it to Jesus, in rewards of recieing worship, if he did not have the divine ownership in the Mortal realm in the first place.
For Satan and his rulers are the creators of mortal things, but the Parents are the designers of all of it, and without the breath of the father, none would move or live.

The Bible is based from latin Vulgate(old testemnet), together with Constantines new Testimony (New Testament)
Constantine was a Sun God whorshiper, who oked the collection of scriptures at the councel of Laodicea in 325 AD (hay got it right bob ..lol). So in actuality the Demon here would be Constantine. In the Bible, not outside to be politically correct. But realy alittle wheat and tares in both.

If a Belief System radicalizes the Illusion of self vanity, It is only but another veil in your own journey to the truth.

Remember a true explorer is one that looses sight of shore.

Brother Thomas

David Ben-Ariel wrote:If it contradicts the Scriptures, [it] is a demonic counterfeit.

Sounds like so many fundamentalists from Islam, and other "religions of the book"! Those with NO Understanding or LOVE!

PLU ~ Bob

Well said, Bob.

David Ben-Ariel wrote:Zechariah 8:23
"Thus says the LORD of hosts: 'In those days ten men [representatives of the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel?] from every language of the nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jewish man, saying, "Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.""

God is with the Jews!

Jews are a stubborn lot

The hem of the skirt they hold-on to and LISTEN to is symbolic of the LAW. The hem also represents rule and kingship. Those that Follow God's laws and put them in proper light again and teach others to do so are of these people.



It would take too much to explain how they are related but heres some food to chew on:
Isaiah
4 1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

They are related.


Isaiah
66 18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.

The Nations of Israel Scattered into Heathen Lands that became known as Gentiles.

The Nations that were known at that time as Israel, and who have scattered the world and encompass the majority of Christians today and whom speak different languages today.

The two sticks become ONE.

Judah and Israel (two sticks) come one.

Revelation of John
5 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

God only redeemed HIS RACE. The Other races were paid for with a Price in the death. All races can come to God.


Ezekiel
37 1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones, 2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. 3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest. 4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD. 5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: 6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. 8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. 9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army. 11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. 12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it , and performed it , saith the LORD. 15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying, 16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions: 17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand. 18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these? 19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand. 20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes. 21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: 22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: 23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. 24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children' children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever. 26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. 27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.


This is already in part in progress and has happened already.

When God's people wake Up, and return to him...

In the 'regular' Bible is the verse of Jeremiah 8:8. Read that and see what those who know the truth think of the 'lying tounges of the scribes'.....

For me, life has been a quest. Initially I had no idea where I was going...sometimes I wonder if I do even now. Yet throughout, I have recognized one thing...those who try to force me to their way of thinking.
That is the turn off for me to orthodoxy. Someone telling me that they know what God wants for me, based on a recital of a biblical passage.
What if I do not interpret it the same way? Doesn't matter does it? I am now condemned to hellfire.

I notice as I browse here that many of us also rely on quotation to reinforce points. That has always backed me up. My draw to Gnosticism occured many years ago when I read Elaine Pagels book: The Gnostic Gospels.
From that point forward, I came to realize that discovery of the Light, is a personal thing. Each of us capable of imparting the Divine Wisdom to others through revelation. I have had some interesting personal experiences, yet I also am still on my path.

The great danger to a true Gnostic is failing to follow the truth as we each see it. Defending position, or worse, calling up legitimacy by quoting a scripture or passage, negates the power of the vision. We are all prophets in a sense, our inspirations comng individually and worthy of proclamation. Anyone who disrespects that, is not of this higher order.

Just some thoughts

Peace and Light and Wisdom