God is with the Jews!

sojourner_8 wrote:For me, life has been a quest. Initially I had no idea where I was going...sometimes I wonder if I do even now. Yet throughout, I have recognized one thing...those who try to force me to their way of thinking.
That is the turn off for me to orthodoxy. Someone telling me that they know what God wants for me, based on a recital of a biblical passage.
What if I do not interpret it the same way? Doesn't matter does it? I am now condemned to hellfire.

I notice as I browse here that many of us also rely on quotation to reinforce points. That has always backed me up. My draw to Gnosticism occured many years ago when I read Elaine Pagels book: The Gnostic Gospels.
From that point forward, I came to realize that discovery of the Light, is a personal thing. Each of us capable of imparting the Divine Wisdom to others through revelation. I have had some interesting personal experiences, yet I also am still on my path.

The great danger to a true Gnostic is failing to follow the truth as we each see it. Defending position, or worse, calling up legitimacy by quoting a scripture or passage, negates the power of the vision. We are all prophets in a sense, our inspirations comng individually and worthy of proclamation. Anyone who disrespects that, is not of this higher order.

Just some thoughts

Peace and Light and Wisdom

I agree with you. Genuine (i.e. Spiritual - and uncorrupted) Scripture was originally intended merely as a type of signpost - pointing the way. Once one has discovered the LIGHT, there is no more need for scripture - everything we need to know is WITHIN.

PLU ~ Bob

sojourner_8 wrote:For me, life has been a quest. Initially I had no idea where I was going...sometimes I wonder if I do even now. Yet throughout, I have recognized one thing...those who try to force me to their way of thinking.
That is the turn off for me to orthodoxy. Someone telling me that they know what God wants for me, based on a recital of a biblical passage.
What if I do not interpret it the same way? Doesn't matter does it? I am now condemned to hellfire.

I notice as I browse here that many of us also rely on quotation to reinforce points. That has always backed me up. My draw to Gnosticism occured many years ago when I read Elaine Pagels book: The Gnostic Gospels.
From that point forward, I came to realize that discovery of the Light, is a personal thing. Each of us capable of imparting the Divine Wisdom to others through revelation. I have had some interesting personal experiences, yet I also am still on my path.

The great danger to a true Gnostic is failing to follow the truth as we each see it. Defending position, or worse, calling up legitimacy by quoting a scripture or passage, negates the power of the vision. We are all prophets in a sense, our inspirations comng individually and worthy of proclamation. Anyone who disrespects that, is not of this higher order.

Just some thoughts

Peace and Light and Wisdom

Well said.

Admin wrote:
I agree with you. Genuine (i.e. Spiritual - and uncorrupted) Scripture was originally intended merely as a type of signpost - pointing the way. Once one has discovered the LIGHT, there is no more need for scripture - everything we need to know is WITHIN.

PLU ~ Bob

Yep, just a finger pointing the way, till people became obsessed with the finger rather than the path to which it points.... Then you have 'religion.'

Yep as Alan Watts said,"Once you get the message hang up the phone."(though he was talking about hallucinogens)

in this very thread people have said the bible is not needed ,why is there a bible application on the home page

Zec:8:23: Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

In Reading this Text, and understanding truely what The Lord of Host is saying, one should look very carefully to the full context of due to no supporting Mentions to this one.

I have to agree fully in this text in what it says which is;
- 1. in those days (end times) that the 10 figures mention do signify the ten tribes will Take Hold of a belief within themselves.
- 2. There will be even some that follow the jew way trying to find the Belief in themselves needed correct? And They are going to be saying we heard that the Lord is with you.

ok Yes all this has come true already..... BUT there is NO meantion in this text that is saying God is with the Jews any more than any body else .. It just states that there will be People that say it.. thats all. Just becuse the words Lord of Host is writtin in it , it does make it all true beyond what He is telling.

Sopherim I also quote scripture alot and believe in all that which the Spirit confirms with me on a one by one basis when needed. Everything in this world is the growing up of the wheat and tares together this is why Christ tells us to continualy seek the truth till we find it, ask and ye shall recieve, knock and it is open to you.
I too have talked of the scriptures much to Hundreds of people, people will believe in differant degrees, some not, some will Lash back and some will not want to here although they say they are strong in the Lord. Only a delicate Feather upon a fense would care whether the wind would blow or not. For a Rock in a valley would let a storm pass without caring, for it is sound.
In other words I tell them , If you were solid in your belief why should Me speeking to you have any effect , if it is strong. Like wise If I am strong telling the things I know, a rebuke would make little effect in my manner of speeking or Belief.
I does get rough though, I will be the first to admit it indeed .

As Christ says "Rest in Me, for my burden is Light"
Amen to that

Keep the smiles they look well on you.
Brother Thomas

sopherim7 wrote:in this very thread people have said the bible is not needed ,why is there a bible application on the home page

I have always said that the Bible (and other scriptures) can be useful as a "sign-post" to point the way for the un-initiated. Often I quote things from these scriptures to reinforce something that I have said. Also, many 'religious' types will not accept anything unless it is confirmed in ancient scripture. Scriptures can be damaging if one accepts them as the final word - i.e. in place of personal EXPERIENCE of God. They then become one's God, in place of REALITY!

This is what I mean, and why I have introduced a helpful tool for locating passages/words from the Bible. If I could find a similar tools for all the other scriptures I would also include them.

Hope you now understand.

PLU ~ Bob

DarkChylde wrote:

Admin wrote:
I agree with you. Genuine (i.e. Spiritual - and uncorrupted) Scripture was originally intended merely as a type of signpost - pointing the way. Once one has discovered the LIGHT, there is no more need for scripture - everything we need to know is WITHIN.

PLU ~ Bob

Yep, just a finger pointing the way, till people became obsessed with the finger rather than the path to which it points.... Then you have 'religion.'

I really like that!

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A Jew is one who meditates and sees the light within. The books of Ieou/Jeu (Jew) reveal this.

As Paul stated, one is a jew inwardly (within)..

Romans 2:29

..but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

The circumcision of the heart involves the rising of the fire/sun from the solar plexus to the heart chakra, ultimately leading toward the alchemical marriage,thus enabling one to see light.

Note: The lion of the Tribe of Judah is Leo, which ruled by the sun. Think: It is not coincident that the Lion (Leo) in the wizard of Oz needed courage i.e. HEART!






Numbers 2:3

On the east side, toward the rising of the sun, those of the standard of the forces with Judah shall camp according to their armies..

Numbers 2:9

All who were numbered according to their armies of the forces with Judah, one hundred and eighty-six thousand four hundred—these shall break camp first.


Judah's number is 186,400. 186,400 m/s is the speed of light.





Htp

Chukuma wrote:Reply:



Judah's number is 186,400. 186,400 m/s is the speed of light.

In the interest of scientific accuracy, the speed of light is

299 792 458 m / s

the units m/s mean metres per second. However, this value converts to 186282.397 miles per second.

If abbreviated, miles per second could be written as mi/s, but never m/s.

Peace,
Mark

Chuckuma,you never cease to amaze me , i love the knowledge you bring to the table it is always so very ENLIGHTENING
I AM REALLY VERY INTERESTED in every post you write,i would love to hear more ,so iam going to post a question for you, and any one else who has imput , in the
'other belief ' section

sopherim

Unprofitable Servant wrote:

Chukuma wrote:Reply:



Judah's number is 186,400. 186,400 m/s is the speed of light.

In the interest of scientific accuracy, the speed of light is

299 792 458 m / s

the units m/s mean metres per second. However, this value converts to 186282.397 miles per second.

If abbreviated, miles per second could be written as mi/s, but never m/s.

Peace,
Mark

Reply:

Hello, Mark. Thank you for the clarification. I'm sure someone has or would have been confused by what I meant. I am aware of the difference. It was a typo/oversite. You may see more in the future. Big hands and a laptop are not a match made in heaven..lol..I'll forgive your typo if you forgive mine? Meters per second, not "metres" per second. j/k.. On a different note, your signature looks familiar. Were you ever on CARM?


Htp

sopherim7 wrote:Chuckuma,you never cease to amaze me , i love the knowledge you bring to the table it is always so very ENLIGHTENING
I AM REALLY VERY INTERESTED in every post you write,i would love to hear more ,so iam going to post a question for you, and any one else who has imput , in the
'other belief ' section

sopherim

Reply:

Hi, Sopherim. Your words are far too kind. Your gentle spirit is nothing short of enlightening. This board is blessed to have your sweet fragrance. I will definitely look for your post.



Htp

Admin wrote:

sopherim7 wrote:in this very thread people have said the bible is not needed ,why is there a bible application on the home page

I have always said that the Bible (and other scriptures) can be useful as a "sign-post" to point the way for the un-initiated. Often I quote things from these scriptures to reinforce something that I have said. Also, many 'religious' types will not accept anything unless it is confirmed in ancient scripture. Scriptures can be damaging if one accepts them as the final word - i.e. in place of personal EXPERIENCE of God. They then become one's God, in place of REALITY!

This is what I mean, and why I have introduced a helpful tool for locating passages/words from the Bible. If I could find a similar tools for all the other scriptures I would also include them.

Hope you now understand.

PLU ~ Bob

for a while there ,{mabey because once in a while i get emotional.}
i was staring to think ,any post or reply i made using the bible as my source of reference would be viewed as ,un~enlightened and childish,just then BOOM there is that application on the front page for bible reference. what a self centered ego minded thought i was having. I TRULEY LOVE THE BIBLE. for many reasons, one is that i truly do have wonderful rhema gnosis while reading and meditating on its word.also i know its ever pregnant script is so near to my heart. during the "mis quotes of jesus " thread i kind of was taken aback at truly how inconsistent the bible is factually according to this bart dude,and then the above comments left me wondering if i fit in any more, as after my GOD and my children is the feeding i receive from the reading of "Gods Word" in the bible. I thought i would be honest about my thoughts and feelings ,thats apart of truth,that is important.... even though it validates my immaturity ,in wisdom, knowledge and attitude. However, i have noticed that the truths i hold,come under fire quite a bit.


sopherim