Re: Christians keep Passover, abhor Easter

by The_Passerby on Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:06 am

sopherim7 wrote:i have researched the sects of cerinthians naassenes simonians and ophinites to name a few and it is all contradictory except those of valintineus . just as evangelical other christian sects belief based in interpretation . none of them differ or contradict the essential truth and core belief system wether catholic,baptist metodist presbyterian amish mendinite ,arminium,calvinest puritist and for that matter even SATANISTS believe it they just turn from and reject it

If you can't tell how they are different, then there is much that you have to come to perceive and learn about Yeshua's way. the ELEMENTARY doctrines of Belief ARE HIGHLY corrupted and entry level, MILK doctrine. They differ on some of the MOST important points ever. Salvation, resurrection, Yeshua himself, and etc, not to mention that most Gnostics did not read the scriptures literally, but to them they were esoteric allegories.

All one need do is look at this part from the Apocalypse of Peter (which shows the tension at the times) to see this, And I listened again, "As you sit, they are praising you". And when I said these things, the Savior said, "I have told you that these (people) are blind and deaf. Now then, listen to the things which they are telling you in a mystery, and guard them, Do not tell them to the sons of this age. For they shall blaspheme you in these ages since they are ignorant of you, but they will praise you in knowledge."

"For many will accept our teaching in the beginning. And they will turn from them again by the will of the Father of their error, because they have done what he wanted. And he will reveal them in his judgment, i.e., the servants of the Word. But those who became mingled with these shall become their prisoners, since they are without perception. And the guileless, good, pure one they push to the worker of death, and to the kingdom of those who praise Christ in a restoration. And they praise the men of the propagation of falsehood, those who will come after you. And they will cleave to the name of a dead man, thinking that they will become pure. But they will become greatly defiled and they will fall into a name of error, and into the hand of an evil, cunning man and a manifold dogma, and they will be ruled without law.".... "And there shall be others of those who are outside our number who name themselves bishop and also deacons, as if they have received their authority from God. They bend themselves under the judgment of the leaders. Those people are dry canals."

Everything that this individual who wrote this back in the 3rd century, this is exactly what came to pass. And it is beyond sad.

by The_Passerby on Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:33 am

For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and
have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt... For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries." (Heb 6:4-6;10:26-27 RSV).And Peter 2 speaks of a similar fate,

"If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: A dog returns to its vomit, and, A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud" (2 Pet 2:20-22 NIV)

I meant to put these with that other post, but it was too big. This was supposed to go along with the Shepherd of Hermas.

by sopherim7 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:02 am

there must have been a misunder standing . to clairify my point . if you take all the gnostic sects and compared them with EACH OTHER you will find they are inconsistant with each other on the most basic level. and if you do the same with christian sects you would find they share the SAME core belief in soiterology. meaning they will all tell you jesus died ,and rose from the dead. the gnostic sects are all over the place ,some believe he is a myth, some believe some one else took his place ,or that it was all fabrication so on. look the sects up and do some comparing ,see for your self , go to other sources ,be open minded

by The_Passerby on Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:19 am

sopherim7 wrote:there must have been a misunder standing . to clairify my point . if you take all the gnostic sects and compared them with EACH OTHER you will find they are inconsistant with each other on the most basic level. and if you do the same with christian sects you would find they share the SAME core belief in soiterology. meaning they will all tell you jesus died ,and rose from the dead. the gnostic sects are all over the place ,some believe he is a myth, some believe some one else took his place ,or that it was all fabrication so on. look the sects up and do some comparing ,see for your self , go to other sources ,be open minded

Sorry for the mix up...

Actually most Gnostic sects were dubbed Gnostic because of their similarities. Gnosticism was a broad term that church fathers deemed heretical sects of the past. So many of them had no relation whatsoever, they were called Gnostic because of similar characteristic, the most important being that they sought after "Gnosis" as salvation. Some of these Gnostic groups had nothing to do with Yeshua, like the Sethians and many others. Valentinianism is probably the most Christian of Gnosticism. However Valentinus didn't CALL himself a Gnostic, he was a Christian, a Pneumatic Christian and he was even in the running to become Bishop of Rome at one point.

There were very foundational things in Gnosticism; the Demiurge (OT God), Sophia, Archons the First Father, Gnosis by salvation, and many many other things. These were KEY in the system, because to them it is and was important to know about the PROBLEM, what prevents man from Knowing so they highlighted the defect that hinders and keeps man earth-bound -- this is what is firstly important in Gnosticism. In the Milk Doctrines, they don't all agree on essential points, some believe you go to Heaven after you die, some don't and believe you are pretty much dead until you are resurrected, some believe you go to purgatory, etc. Some interpret the Adam/Eve story literally some don't. Original Sin doctrine is vital, but if the Adam and Eve story is not literal, how is their Original Sin? Likewise some believe in the Trinity, some don't. They disagree on many points, yeah what you mentioned they pretty much all agree on, but there is many other things which they never have.

It must be known that scriptures are esoteric allegories, they do not speak of literal history. When Gnostics spoke about Yeshua they were conveying a reality within themselves. A Historical Yeshua existed, however not in scriptures (be it canonical or not). First off there are 3 views: 1) The Christ came down and inhabited Yeshua's mind (he achieved sonship at his Baptism, this was the Ebionites point of view, who were the FIRST followers of Yeshua under James the Just. Although Ebionites didn't see the OT God in that way, however the OT God is an allegory, they knew that the OT was not literal), 2) Yeshua was purely Spiritual, meaning he was not physical at all. 3) The other I can't think of at the moment, excuse me.

by Chukuma on Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:53 pm

The_Passerby wrote:
sopherim7 wrote: why is it so hard for many people to grasp this

Some of us do grasp that, we just know it is an aspect of corruption. Yeshua is no ones pagan sacrifice, you must manifest what Yeshua represents within your own mind, if you would achieve the Anointing.

In Thomas Gospel it is said, Jesus said, "If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."

Yeshua was a man who showed the Way, he fulfilled the LAW within himself. And we must do the same, but this LAW is Pneumatic and is not dead, or the literal letter that leads to Spiritual death (but the Spiritual Torah not the literal). We must know thy self. Salvation is not through pagan sacrifice, but through Knowledge and the living of that knowledge to unveil/unfold further depths of your Mind and Being and eventually becoming ONE with God.

The original position by the Ebionites, the first followers of YESHUA,

“They live conformably to the customs of the Jews, alleging that they are justified according to the law, and saying that Jesus was justified by fulfilling the law. And therefore it was, (according to the Ebionaeans,) that (the Savior) was named (the) Christ of God and Jesus, since not one of the rest (of mankind) had observed completely the law. For if even any other had fulfilled the commandments (contained) in the law, he would have been that Christ. And the (Ebionaeans allege) that they themselves also, when in like manner they fulfill (the law), are able to become Christs; for they assert that our Lord Himself was a man in a like sense with all the rest of the human family” (Hippolytus; The Refutation of All Heresies, Bk 7, Ch 22, Doctrine of the Ebionaeans).

Although the scriptures are allegorical, the Son of God is the Logos - which is the mind of God. The Mind of God doesn't need to come to earth, why would it when it abides within us and the Logos is indwelling? This refers to a higher level of Mind and Being, the core of your Being. Yeshua achieved oneness with the Mind of God, thus he became the representative of the Logos in this world. Not to say that his individual Soul was negated or somehow evaporated, NO, but that his Soul achieved Completion, and the Light which he expressed in this world, was the Light of the perfected Relationship with God, harmonoius oneness in fullness. So he became the pure expression of this Fullness. We are on the path to achieve the same if we bring make the Lower like the Upper, the Left with the Right, The Before with the after, the without as the within --- the male and the female niether male nor female within ourselves on all levels of our individual being.

3. Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you. When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."

And he said, "Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death."

18. The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us, how will our end come?"

Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."

Jesus said, "Whoever drinks from my mouth will become like me; I myself shall become that person, and the hidden things will be revealed to him."

There is much much much more to all of this. What you guys are expressing is an aspect of the dumbed down system which negated the spiritual aspect, which was purely Gnostic. The whole him "covering people in his blood," is an allegory that has lead to a system which has plunged mankind into many dark ages. It's used and abused as a measure for amending any lifestyle whatsoever, it is a self defeating doctrine which proclaims that a man can't be good enough, that they will fail. And nothing could be further from the truth. Yeshua said carry your own cross, you must fulfill things in your own right! Or you can expect nothing of what he has achieved.

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I couldn't agree anymore! For those who have yet to resolve this in their being, please know that the Christ within is expressed in allegorical fashion. The orthodox movment's version of the Christ is the carnal, external Christ who is not within. It is not for those who professes to know the Christ within to read scripture as the orthodox, who seek after the Christ without, which is actually antichrist. Good job Pb!

Htp

by theeternaliam on Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:18 pm

The_Passerby wrote:
Eternal, I understand. You came from a upbringing that was Churchy. It will be difficult for you to shake off of those constraints and move onward. I only wish you the best in the WAY.

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My mother is a self-proclaimed Atheist. My father is a materialist. I was raised to look down on Christianity(not overtly, though). I didn't come to the Christ until reading Gnostic scripture, being too prideful to accept the New Testament(plus I wouldn't have understood it anyway). I never went to church until last year(a lovely black baptist church in VA)

It isn't that Jesus Christ was Christed twice, it's that the POTENTIAL was always there(just as it is in the rest of God's Children). Today I have begotten thee. That is when the potental was REALIZED. It matters not whether today,yesterday,or tomorrow I will be Christed, the ANOINTING transcends TIME, it is the Transcending of Temporality in itself. It matters not whether the blotting out of my sins happened yesterday,today,or tomorrow, my sins have been blotted out ETERNALLY. I am as God has created me. God did not create a being to die.

A dog returns to its vomit, and, A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud"

I experienced this firsthand. I've recognized the deadness of the world, turned from it and refused self-indulgence, yet still when confronted with the world, I turned to it and sinned. What can I say? Am i doomed now? Satan means Accuser. I am totally dependent on God's Mercy. If for some reason, he decided to not be merciful, I suppose His Wrath would consume me. Should I harm myself to get rid of the bad karma? Should I willfully place the heavy burden of guilt upon my shoulders? Should I willfully suffer for sins? I don't want to sin. I don't want to be of the world and be selfish. I want GOOD, but we forget who we are, sometimes the pull is to much, the archons may place us in strange circumstances(self-will)

And you too would experience God's wrath, were it not for His Gracious Mercy, no matter how much you think you don't sin. I sense that sin exists in you, still. I sense that you still believe(perhaps unconsciously) that you can WILL apart from the Father, that you have a separate,"free", will.

by The_Passerby on Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:11 am

It isn't that Jesus Christ was Christed twice, it's that the POTENTIAL was always there(just as it is in the rest of God's Children). Today I have begotten thee. That is when the potental was REALIZED. It matters not whether today,yesterday,or tomorrow I will be Christed, the ANOINTING transcends TIME, it is the Transcending of Temporality in itself. It matters not whether the blotting out of my sins happened yesterday,today,or tomorrow, my sins have been blotted out ETERNALLY. I am as God has created me. God did not create a being to die.

I see, thanks for mentioning your conditions, in regards your upbringing. You are looking at things far too simple. This is all about development, there is no death as you imagine it, the death that scriptures talk about is very different then what we think in this world. You have not achieved the Anointing, if you did, you would know thy self. The Authentic Self isn't bound by time, but you work from the physical and must be born into its reality. You can't work from where you are not. You must be born again, and no one can achieve birth for you, birth is through bringing the two polarities of male and female into oneness and rearing up the child, or Third Force to completion.

It is important to understand what these different names mean.

I experienced this firsthand. I've recognized the deadness of the world, turned from it and refused self-indulgence, yet still when confronted with the world, I turned to it and sinned. What can I say? Am i doomed now? Satan means Accuser. I am totally dependent on God's Mercy. If for some reason, he decided to not be merciful, I suppose His Wrath would consume me. Should I harm myself to get rid of the bad karma? Should I willfully place the heavy burden of guilt upon my shoulders? Should I willfully suffer for sins? I don't want to sin. I don't want to be of the world and be selfish. I want GOOD, but we forget who we are, sometimes the pull is to much, the archons may place us in strange circumstances(self-will)

Sin is simply knowledge not lived, as James said, to know to do good and do it not, this is sin. You are thinking to churchy about these things. Why are you in guilt? There is nothing to be guilty about. God isn't sitting at a laptop judging you and looking at you, thinking here he goes again, another "X" for him. This is a paradigm of perceiving God as man off in the distance and is purely God-Central thinking. If there was no struggle there would be no development. It is through many tribulations that you enter the kingdom. This is development, Eternal. You can never be apart from God, because your Soul dwells within God and is of God's substance. You must strive for perfection, that is the ideal. Don't be guilty if you fall, but come to understand your machine, your constitution, so you can know why this occurs. There are many things which the church does not know about the mind and being. There is a reason why people who think they are doing good, find themselves doing the opposite of what their ideal was and this reason is very important and vital to know. It has to do with Laws, mechanical laws.

"For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now" (Rom 8:19-22 NKJ).

Like I wrote in another reply on this forum, to be Christ like, you must understand your constitution and work on it and become conscious ever. There is so much more to all of this, but I digress.

You are too stuck on "sin." And are perceiving it from the Orthodox position. There is much to say, but I digress. But God's will is manifest through mechanical laws at this level. These Laws were set that would move all things to their completion, to develop all of creation to its Omega. The OT God, is not the real God, for he is an allegory about these very levels which work upon mind and being. To Imagine that the WHOLE or ONE is this OT God is just not right and is unworthy of the True God, of whom all dwells and all is directly or indirectly an expression of. The OT God, God of Wrath/Venegenace is an aspect of these mechanical Laws. It is fulfilled in the saying, "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.” (Galatians 6:7, KJV). This is the Law of karmic forces. These are the Laws of "God" but not God, as in the Source of all things.

And you too would experience God's wrath, were it not for His Gracious Mercy, no matter how much you think you don't sin. I sense that sin exists in you, still. I sense that you still believe(perhaps unconsciously) that you can WILL apart from the Father, that you have a separate,"free", will.

Nah I don't, Eternal. I live the truth I have in thought, desire, deed, and word, throughout every aspect of my being. I have taken the methods in understanding my machine, what makes man mechanical, what makes us fall back into things when we thought we were making progression -- so I am consciously aware. I live in the Now, as much as I can. I am a virgin (not that there is anything wrong with relationships, but until I find the right female to marry, I will remain as I am), I don't drink, smoke, don't watch any pornography, don't speak bad of anyone, I harm no one but express my help and compassion through empathy, I am a vegetarian, and I am conscious and apply my effort consciously. I live a constant Consecrated Lifetstyle and mindset that is completely the expression of what my name is on this forum, a passerby. I am a Poor One, poor in the ways of this world but rich in the Spiirt. A person can not be a Ebionite (poor one) without fulfilling what that name is within themselves, a person can not be an Gnostic if they do not fulfill what that name is within themselves, a person can not be a Nazirene if they do not fulfill what that name is within themselves, and a person can ot even be a Christian if they can not fulfill what it means within themselves. And fulfilling these names within oneself is not easy, but only conscious and super effort count for anything. And having self defeating doctrine to excuse oneself from knowing oneself and being oneself is probably one of the most damaging things about the modern church. ALL THINGS MUST BE BROUGHT TO COMPLETION WITHIN YOURSELF, be it emotion, be it anything you do. And don't lok at life in good and bad. When someone called Yeshua Good, he said "Why call me good? there is only ONE that is good and that is God." Good is wholeness, we are seeking that and must seek it to our best ability.

My will is God's will, I seek to Know thy self, to be born again, like the Prodigal son who entered the kingdom again. The difference is, I apply nothing BUT super effort and I understand that there are many levels of being between me and Father. Divinity can only know Divinity, you must KNOW THY SELF if you would even begin to Know God. I have been in the reality of my Higher Soul Self, what I know, I have proven within myself.

by theeternaliam on Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:35 am

I Said:

And you too would experience God's wrath, were it not for His Gracious Mercy, no matter how much you think you don't sin. I sense that sin exists in you, still. I sense that you still believe(perhaps unconsciously) that you can WILL apart from the Father, that you have a separate,"free", will.

Projection makes perception. I'm sorry I implied you are a "sinner", but I've a feeling that self-will/sin/evil/etc. attaches itself to all people as a paraite attaches to its host. Is there anyone free of the parasite that is self-will? Is there anyone who has manifested God's Will in the world of Form as Jeseus Christ has?

You have not achieved the Anointing, if you did, you would know thy self.

I know that I am not who I am, but I also know God has assured me that I will be who I will be.

by The_Passerby on Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:44 am

Projection makes perception. I'm sorry I implied you are a "sinner", but I've a feeling that self-will/sin/evil/etc. attaches itself to all people as a paraite attaches to its host. Is there anyone free of the parasite that is self-will? Is there anyone who has manifested God's Will in the world of Form as Jeseus Christ has?

You must come to understand your machine and understand that there is nothing wrong with Self-Will, in fact you can do nothing without Self-Will. One of the biggest misconceptions is that man has Self-Will in his natural organic consciousness. This is far removed from the Truth. How can a man have Self-Will when he is a legion-ego? When his ego-personality is many? When one second he is jimmy-fragment, the next second someone else? By this I am saying that man is fragmentation, completely divided within mind and often against ones own self. A Kingdom divided can not stand. I was told in Spirit, and perceive the reality of this, "Man is a beast with many heads, each head expressing itself given the stimulus that engages it." In some ways you are perceiving things backwards, but as the mystics of old state, "People see the bad good and good bad," man sees all things in reverse, in their natural minds. So the question should become, rather, what prevents one from self-will. One would not be far from knowing this if they observed self and others, and they may begin to perceive why things are not self-willed. It if very very important to understand why things are as they are, instead of just accepting them. A Gnostic seeks to know, this knowing becomes self knowledge because you can then take what you have learned (observed) and apply it to yourself, which in result will help you to walk straighter and not crooked, or in reverse. To sin would be to not walk straight, and find yourself succumbing to your conditioning, to your fragmentation, to the many obstructions in your system which causes you to not live as is in your power to -- to live what you know, this can only be fulfilled in consciousness.

All of mankind are machines, they are on auto-pilots with no real self-will, they have not developed within themselves "self will" if they did, then they would not be a machine any longer. They are mechanical in everything they do, on auto-pilot and are moved along by external stimuli. So man never acts, in order to act man would have to be conscious. There is no conscious movements in mechanical man, only reactions to stimulus. Your mind must become single in order for you to have self-will, which is to say you would be in the NOW. Self-will is not bad, without self-will we can truly do nothing or fulfill nothing and everything else just merely occurs. If you do not have Self-Will which is conscious will, then you can not be Christ like, you can not fulfill the Spiritual Law, you can not be Gnostic, you can not be a Ebionite, you can not truly do the Will of God -- you would simple exist as a pharisaic (there was a reason why Valentinus stated that the Hylic in consciousness has no chance for salvation, likewise the psychic, although having a chance very few succeed). For how can a machine do anything? Does a car move by itself, does a computer, does a gun, does a toaster? Nope, it can only have activity by reflection of what is done to it since it doesn't do anything. This is presented in many portrayals of the rulers/archons, there are mechanical laws, cosmic laws which keep you in a comatose state and your vital energy is poured or wasted into the world.

Man is in bondage, a poverty of mind and being, earth-bound in thought, their thoughts do not evolve but only cycle in the same old same old. Like a robot which performs its programs. The force upon the mind, is like gravity to thought causing it to wallow at the mundane level. There is much more to this, but again I must digress. But I urge you to observe oneself and those around you, through this you may gain the knowledge and understanding, thus the capacity to walk whole.

I know that I am not who I am, but I also know God has assured me that I will be who I will be.

Well the Law is that everything returns to its source. So success is already realized, however this realization in the Omega, you are far from, as everyone else in this world or you wouldn't persist here. God assures that everyone will reach perfection, however long it takes to achieve it. But this in no ways takes away what you must accomplish. You must bring the Alpha and Omega into a oneness within yourself, in order to reach Perfection, you must become a Fullness resembling the harmonic fullness of God. We are in that image in regards our inner cosmology of being, and we must achieve that Final Birth. For you to truly come to see your realization of your destiny in the Omega, you would have to Know your True Self, which is not of this world.

It isn't easy, in fact this perfection is achieved over many many lifetimes. And it has nothing to do with do-overs, but rather that the Pre-Existent Soul of Light, which is your own individual Soul, is developing. Our paths, in all we do must be strait, if it isn't strait or rounded out to completion in all we do, then a twist will occur and we will find ourselves back where we started.

Yeshua/Jesus stated that one should, "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." (Matthew 7:13-14 KJV)

I put a lot of effort in my post, because I care very much for the individuals in this world. We are all prodigal siblings.

by theeternaliam on Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:57 am

Our paths, in all we do must be strait, if it isn't strait or rounded out to completion in all we do, then a twist will occur and we will find ourselves back where we started.

A path that isn't straight looks very serpentine, doesn't it? The serpent is often symbolic of the mechanizations of Fate(for example, the ouroboros).
Huh, just thought of something. The serpent was also the tempter in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve fated to eat of the fruit? Sin and death ensue, cos now Man believes his and the Lord's will are separate. The end of separation(being impossible) is salvation.

by The_Passerby on Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:33 am

A path that isn't straight looks very serpentine, doesn't it? The serpent is often symbolic of the mechanizations of Fate(for example, the ouroboros). Huh, just thought of something. The serpent was also the tempter in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve fated to eat of the fruit? Sin and death ensue, cos now Man believes his and the Lord's will are separate. The end of separation(being impossible) is salvation.

Eternal,

What I am trying to explain to you is an reality of the laws. Your path is supposed to be strait. Serpent will eventually swallow its tail. You do not want this to occur. Your path, you must MAKE it strait, if it is as a serpent, then it's swaying movements will "take you off course," unconsciously, and you may find yourself at the place where you started, even worst you may never find yourself where you started, you may be in an illusion of thinking you have found rest, or completion but in fact the serpent has swallowed its own serpentine tail and when this happens you are in an illusion. Many are in a illusion of rest, of having it all, of being complete, but the truth is they cling to a fragment that they believe is the whole, but this is an illusion which keeps them food. You must straighten OUT the twist and turns. It is interesting that you used that, because it can actually be used to convey further the gravity upon the mind, which is Satan (not a literal being), that Law. Thank you for mentioning that. This serpent can be seen as good or bad in regards genesis. This serpent brought about the eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, this tree is duality. Which means it is a tree of division (which brings about development and experiential knowledge), this reflects the reality of MIND. However, if, in the story the man/woman did not eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and evil, they could in no ways reach and eat of the Tree of Life. It was through the eating of the tree of knowledge that they would be able to eat of the Tree of life, which is harmonic unity of MIND. This is why the Gnostic portrays the serpent, which is seen as the wise, Good. It can be perceived as Good or bad, and both views can be equally true. But one can not forget that it is true eating the tree of knowledge that access to the tree of life is possible. The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (Duality) is the imperfect state of the MIND and the Tree of Life is the Perfected State of the MIND, the Anointed mind.

If you look out at the world, you can observe this on the stage of life. A man who goes out to help the poor ends up enslaving the poor unconsciously, Martin Luther went out to help the church but enslaved it further, and etc. Without consciousness everything is doomed to turn upon itself and go to ruin. This is what happened to every major religion, once they came into the hands of the multitude, without consciousness the whole system turned upon its first principles and become the reversal or polar opposite to what was once its objective. Islam a religion of peace, is now perceived and used as a religion of war, Yeshua The Way once a path were one must save themselves and develop themselves, is now someone else saves you and you can't develop yourself, Buddhism all about becoming Awakened to our Soul and perceiving your Souls past lives and is now there is no Soul, there is no past lives. Do you see the pattern?

by Iehi Aur on Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:28 am

Eternal,

What I am trying to explain to you is an reality of the laws. Your path is supposed to be strait. Serpent will eventually swallow its tail. You do not want this to occur. Your path, you must MAKE it strait, if it is as a serpent, then it's swaying movements will "take you off course," unconsciously, and you may find yourself at the place where you started, even worst you may never find yourself where you started, you may be in an illusion of thinking you have found rest, or completion but in fact the serpent has swallowed its own serpentine tail and when this happens you are in an illusion. Many are in a illusion of rest, of having it all, of being complete, but the truth is they cling to a fragment that they believe is the whole, but this is an illusion which keeps them food. You must straighten OUT the twist and turns. It is interesting that you used that, because it can actually be used to convey further the gravity upon the mind, which is Satan (not a literal being), that Law. Thank you for mentioning that. This serpent can be seen as good or bad in regards genesis. This serpent brought about the eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, this tree is duality. Which means it is a tree of division (which brings about development and experiential knowledge), this reflects the reality of MIND. However, if, in the story the man/woman did not eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and evil, they could in no ways reach and eat of the Tree of Life. It was through the eating of the tree of knowledge that they would be able to eat of the Tree of life, which is harmonic unity of MIND. This is why the Gnostic portrays the serpent, which is seen as the wise, Good. It can be perceived as Good or bad, and both views can be equally true. But one can not forget that it is true eating the tree of knowledge that access to the tree of life is possible. The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (Duality) is the imperfect state of the MIND and the Tree of Life is the Perfected State of the MIND, the Anointed mind.

If you look out at the world, you can observe this on the stage of life. A man who goes out to help the poor ends up enslaving the poor unconsciously, Martin Luther went out to help the church but enslaved it further, and etc. Without consciousness everything is doomed to turn upon itself and go to ruin. This is what happened to every major religion, once they came into the hands of the multitude, without consciousness the whole system turned upon its first principles and become the reversal or polar opposite to what was once its objective. Islam a religion of peace, is now perceived and used as a religion of war, Yeshua The Way once a path were one must save themselves and develop themselves, is now someone else saves you and you can't develop yourself, Buddhism all about becoming Awakened to our Soul and perceiving your Souls past lives and is now there is no Soul, there is no past lives. Do you see the pattern?

That is a great way to put it, IMO. I definitly feel we must make it straight, and that requires our effort, as any achievment accomplished of any value seems to takes much effort.

by Admin on Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:43 am

Hello theeternaliam

May I just say one thing which everyone needs to understand ~ and that is simply to let go of ALL preconceived ideas which we carry about in our heads like a heavy burden.

Yehoshua said that we MUST become LIKE little children in order to enter the KINGDOM! My Master has also said that if we wish to be filled with TRUTH/LOVE/PEACE/SPIRIT we must first empty ourselves ~ for Truth does not mix with error, just as water does not mix with oil.

Forget all what you have been indoctrinated with ~ all the foolishness of religion and this world ~ just put it aside and open yourself to God. If you are truly sincere, He will certainly fill you.

PLU ~ Bob Very Happy

by The_Passerby on Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:18 am

Admin wrote:Hello theeternaliam

May I just say one thing which everyone needs to understand ~ and that is simply to let go of ALL preconceived ideas which we carry about in our heads like a heavy burden.

Yehoshua said that we MUST become LIKE little children in order to enter the KINGDOM! My Master has also said that if we wish to be filled with TRUTH/LOVE/PEACE/SPIRIT we must first empty ourselves ~ for Truth does not mix with error, just as water does not mix with oil.

Forget all what you have been indoctrinated with ~ all the foolishness of religion and this world ~ just put it aside and open yourself to God. If you are truly sincere, He will certainly fill you.

PLU ~ Bob

When Yeshua said, "Repent! For the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!" he was saying, "Let loose your mind and make a turn! For in doing so the Kingdom is not far from you!"

One must unloose their minds, become a child again. If one is an Adult, then they are mature in the ways of the world and its philosophies and opinions, to become a child in regards the world, is to release the mindset, lifestyle, philosophies which keeps one earth-bound in thought. For if one fills themselves up with excess, how can they be filled with that which can sustain them? Although there is a whole other reality to this, because it is very difficult for some, if not MOST to escape their past. The Serpent has swallowed its serpentine tail.

by theeternaliam on Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:47 am

Hey thanx for the re-Minder. Whenever we seem to forget or are about toforget certain things(like Letting Go), it seems the Spirit sends forth re-Minders for us. Thanx, I needed that.

Peace.