CHANGING THE CANNON

If you could now, in some way, edit the orthodox (accepted) cannon of
New Testament Scriptures (either by adding or subtracting whole books,
or by adding your own words, just as if you were in complete control during the
1st-3rd centuries) what would you do?

Any ideas?

PLU ~ Bob

although i do not want to change todays cannon,even though it is what it is ... i believe GOD knew what was going to happen' i believe ultimately , that it was apart of his great and wonderful plan .it to me is a great foundation,and those who truly desire truth will seek diligently to find it and discern it.the will go on for the meat.

if i could do any thing , i would go back to the oldest manuscripts found and keep true to them and not change the words or leave scripture,as pure as possible, i would put back in the books left out, and add the books in the catholic bible to the protestant bible

Well, the cannon as it is is set up to give JUST enough 'truth' to hook people, then gives them other stuff to HOPEFULLY (and it works too often)bring them too the wrong conclusion. I have always said that I have never thought the Bible (the Official Cannon of the Holy Roman Church of the Blind) to be 'full of lies,' but it IS incomplete, and it is difficult to discern the truth with the components are missing. Like trying to complete a jigsaw puzzle while missing a bunch of peices, and not just the ones of the sky or water, but major peices of the central picture!

I would include the Apoch of John, for sure (no way to explain Revalations without it!!), as well as the Pistis Sophia, The Gospel of Truth, the Gospel of Thomas (shoulda been the first I mentioned, really),the Gospel of Mary, the Gospel of Judas, the Thunder of the Perfect Mind, and the Gospel of the Essenes, even tho it isn't gnostic it is beautiful and spiritual.

In fact, I am quite sure that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John was written USING the Gospel of Thomas (the source Q idea). But it was left out for obvious (to me, now) reasons.

I would have a serious textual critism of Paul's letters, and get back to the original texts (which it has become obvious that they were tampered with heavily).

Good topic!

Tempted to just say throw it all out.

Perhaps I could settle for having all Pauls letters excised. They were according to his own admission only his opinion. Instead, substitute the Gospel of Thomas. Take out parts of Matthew and Luke that have been proven to be historically inaccurate (the nativity stories).

sopherim7 wrote:although i do not want to change todays cannon,even though it is what it is ... i believe GOD knew what was going to happen' i believe ultimately , that it was apart of his great and wonderful plan .it to me is a great foundation,and those who truly desire truth will seek diligently to find it and discern it.the will go on for the meat.

if i could do any thing , i would go back to the oldest manuscripts found and keep true to them and not change the words or leave scripture,as pure as possible, i would put back in the books left out, and add the books in the catholic bible to the protestant bible

Dead Sea Scrolls is what you seek, yes these are very old indeed........that's the problem the Bible has been translated so many different times in so many langauges that its true meaning is all but lost.

Just a technicality, Grey Ghost. You are right, but the gnostic scriptures I assume you speak of are the Nag Hammadi. They were a diffenent discovery than the Dead Sea Scrolls, of which only one was even vaugely gnostic. They were two different discoveries, tho most people don't realise that.

I personally do not like Paul. I wonder if Deva is right, and we should simply admit there is no "canon." We are unbound. Only TRUTH binds.

seeky seeker wrote:I personally do not like Paul. I wonder if Deva is right, and we should simply admit there is no "canon." We are unbound. Only TRUTH binds.

agreed seeky seeker, and those TRUTHS are there.. it all depends upon ones discernment!
Peace and Harmony through Unconditional LOVE!

I dunno. For me, truth sets me FREE!!!

DarkChylde wrote:I dunno. For me, truth sets me FREE!!!

Yes, Truth may set one FREE of all ILLUSION, AND also BIND us to REALITY / GOD.

PLU ~ Bob

Admin wrote:

DarkChylde wrote:I dunno. For me, truth sets me FREE!!!

Yes, Truth may set one FREE of all ILLUSION, AND also BIND us to REALITY / GOD.

PLU ~ Bob

Very well put Bob, and agree fully in that. The rate at which truth is percieved and taken is a very important part of one self also. Like a firting infatuation of a man-women relationship, don`t be momentarily energized by truths you are brought to see, then only to return as you were. This may have an inverse reaction to your fulnrss endevour.

Bro Thomas............

DarkChylde wrote:Just a technicality, Grey Ghost. You are right, but the gnostic scriptures I assume you speak of are the Nag Hammadi. They were a diffenent discovery than the Dead Sea Scrolls, of which only one was even vaugely gnostic. They were two different discoveries, tho most people don't realise that.

No was not speaking of the Nag Hammadi, the scriptures contained within that are what Christians do not want you to read as it falls out of the context of their safe realm, in other words not in the Bible.....as Christians we have this view that if it does not say it in the Bible it does not exist I say that is HOG WASH!

That is what I was saying. Just pointing out that the Dead Sea Scrolls were a different discovery, tho in the same area.

And the Nag Hammadi were left out cuz they contridicted the control the church was TRYING to exert thru eliminating the WHOLE story. How are people supposed to figure out the truth if they ain't got the whole story? They can't, and that was the point.

As I have pointed out to many 'christians' who believe in the validity of the 'scriptures' but NOT the power of the pope and bishops is that the same Council, the Council of Nicene, that approved the cannon was the same council that approved the pope as the head of the church. If 'God' moved the council to approve the 'right' books for the cannon, then 'he' also approved the power of the pope. They want to pick and choose, they want to say 'God' was behind the approval of the cannon but that the Catholic church is wrong about the pope, but you can't validate one without the validation of both. They never see that, tho, just tell me that the info that I have on the Nicene Council is inaccurate...

DarkChylde wrote:That is what I was saying. Just pointing out that the Dead Sea Scrolls were a different discovery, tho in the same area.

And the Nag Hammadi were left out cuz they contridicted the control the church was TRYING to exert thru eliminating the WHOLE story. How are people supposed to figure out the truth if they ain't got the whole story? They can't, and that was the point.

As I have pointed out to many 'christians' who believe in the validity of the 'scriptures' but NOT the power of the pope and bishops is that the same Council, the Council of Nicene, that approved the cannon was the same council that approved the pope as the head of the church. If 'God' moved the council to approve the 'right' books for the cannon, then 'he' also approved the power of the pope. They want to pick and choose, they want to say 'God' was behind the approval of the cannon but that the Catholic church is wrong about the pope, but you can't validate one without the validation of both. They never see that, tho, just tell me that the info that I have on the Nicene Council is inaccurate...

Those who totally rely on scripture for their "life" - i.e. on other peoples written accounts of Spiritual experiences - do so because they have not had those same experiences themselves. It is thus not surprising to see them cling to every word like a lifeline - it's all they have - IT is their life

Unfortunately most do not seem to believe that they themselves may have those same experiences as the authors did - but first they must get their priorities in order - God, the Lord, the Truth, EXPERIENCE (NO books needed).

PLU ~ Bob

Hey I got nothing agianst the Pope. And talk of changing something that has been written and re written to death is obsurd to say the least. When you get right down to it we do not even know if what we have today is actually what was wrote 4000 years ago.