Re: CARM and other so-called Christian Forums

[Admin]

AND YET ANOTHER:


Dear A. Ben-Shema,

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A BOOK? MERE WORDS?

UNDERSTAND THIS ~ THEN YOU MIGHT KNOW SOMETHING USEFUL.

PLU
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http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showthread.php?p=2620282

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Quote: <table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;"> Originally Posted by cris I believe in 1 corrinthians Paul says let there be no division among you. The only way for that to be is for the bible to be the last word. If it is not then you get LDS and SDA and JW. So, yes on an individual level you need to experience God personaly. But the only way you know if it is God is by the scripture. The bible gives us an accurate picture of who God is. Jesus showed us the personofied image of God. But we can never completely know him through writings or personal revelation. Paul said there will come a day when we will know as we are known. But not while we have this earthly body full of corruption. But while we are in this section where one christian antagonizes another over insignificant matters, there are others elsewhere who neither no God by his beautiful book or personal revelation. Which you can not understand one without the other. </td> </tr> </table> And who or what was it that actually showed those poor simple fishermen, who left all to follow Yehoshua 2,000 years ago, yes ~ who or what was it that showed them THE WAY? A BOOK? MERE WORDS? UNDERSTAND THIS ~ THEN YOU MIGHT KNOW SOMETHING USEFUL. PLU

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[sopherim7]

that really is so sad . l am so tired of that self rightousness arrogance. that is exactley why i steered clear FOR NOW
of strictley ortho sites. iam so glad it is not like that at the church i attend ,they would have burned me right along
with JOAN OF ARK. I wonder if most christians know the famous Martian Luther of the reformation ,was a perv and swore like a sailor? that he was imprisoned and labled a HERITIC!!! and they were gonna burn him too! i think he was a gnostic
i just know it his work is very awesome

[Unprofitable Servant]

I'm sorry to say Sopherim, that Luther also wrote a quite shameful book called "On the Jews and Their Lies" in 1543. Please look this up for yourself and judge.

Peace,
Mark

[sopherim7]

hi Mark, yea ill do that.needlessto stay Mr Luther was absolutely correct in his answers to the catholic church. he was 100% correct in his belief that salvation alone is an act of faith and grace and not works. and he had a lot of courage to stand up against the pope and the world at that time when he expounded on the truth of GODs word that came about thru revelations or gnosis during self examination and deep study of the word of GOD and much prayer.and i cannot comment on something i have not read, so ill look for that when was it written, before or after the refromation?
.

[Cha_Chynga]

Haa haa haa if that's all that got me banned in the past I'd be happy.

I've had it happen like that, in fact I have been banned in under ten posts.

I have been banned for not filling OUT their question -air wich disqualified me from being a true Christian.

Hell I have been banned off my own boards.

I once was banned after posting for several thousand posts because the admin just got tired of me.

Shoot I stopped counting how many times I have been banned. But there's a couple guys I know that have been banned more, one is my friend MannaBoBanna.
I miss him, he's been traveling for sometime now.

I'll probably get banned here too. But that's okay, I have several boards and I know there are tens of thousands of discussion boards. I got a ways to go before I nail them all.

Been banned several times at TheologyWeb

Been even told in private by these big wig boards that they didn't want to allow me to be banned because I'd drive off posters, but that my posting rights have been restricted, until I bow to the "board gods" - sacks of crap!

[seeky seeker]

Those CARM people didn't treat me very well either. I wouldn't bend to and accept their dogma so they wouldn't talk to me. I didn't give them the same treatment, so why did I get it from them?

Other numerous forums have produced similar experiences. I hope there is more love and understanding here.

[Deva]

In my limited experience of Christian forums, they are chock full of rules which prevent any free and honest dialogue from taking place.

On one such board today (not CARM) I saw where the Hindu religion as a whole was relegated to the "devil's work". End of comment. This type of ignorance I would rather not myself be exposed to on a regular basis.

I have myself read such Hindu scriptures as the Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads to my spiritual betterment. I would bet that if I honestly addressed the stupid comment, I would be warned or banned outright.

On the whole there is exhibited a blind and ignorant refusal to see that truth may be found in other places than the Bible.

[Admin]

In my limited experience of Christian forums, they are chock full of rules which prevent any free and honest dialogue from taking place.

On one such board today (not CARM) I saw where the Hindu religion as a whole was relegated to the "devil's work". End of comment. This type of ignorance I would rather not myself be exposed to on a regular basis.

I have myself read such Hindu scriptures as the Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads to my spiritual betterment. I would bet that if I honestly addressed the stupid comment, I would be warned or banned outright.

On the whole there is exhibited a blind and ignorant refusal to see that truth may be found in other places than the Bible.

Quite so. A very accurate description of blind Christian attitudes. I am sure Yehoshua would be most dismayed if he viewed some of their forums.

So lets keep ours OPEN and FREE and LOVING and HONEST and WELCOMING and FRIENDLY and SPIRITUAL ALWAYS

PLU ~ Bob

[Prism1111]

hi Mark, yea ill do that.needlessto stay Mr Luther was absolutely correct in his answers to the catholic church. he was 100% correct in his belief that salvation alone is an act of faith and grace and not works. and he had a lot of courage to stand up against the pope and the world at that time when he expounded on the truth of GODs word that came about thru revelations or gnosis during self examination and deep study of the word of GOD and much prayer.and i cannot comment on something i have not read, so ill look for that when was it written, before or after the refromation?
.

Sopherim as I was reading all the post hear, I came accross yours which stated the belief in the No works thing. I myself didn`t even know that Martin Luther also didn`t believe it. So I learned something. But the No works idea is stated much by Christians from the Teachings of Paul. Christ scriptures Talks Heavily for the doings of works. just a few examples below dear Sister.

Paul ......Ga:2:16: Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified

Jesus Bellow says the opposite
Joh:14:12: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father

an again:

Re:2:26: And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations

an again:

Re:2:23: And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
an again

M't:16:27: For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Sopherim I go by He who is my Teacher and Master not of men.

I can see why Martin luther would say that now. History went from Pauls churches --Marcionic churches-- Catholic churches--- Lutheran Churches
I do appreciate a new piece of the puzzle that fits.

Sopherim I only try to help to enlighten truly through His Love.

Thomas ....

[gnostic warrior]

as someone has stated, this site has an agenda of 'greed'. When you go to a 'theology school' and think that you have spiritual clout over others... sorry, but you are mistaken here. But on the flip side, if it were not for that site I would not have met many of the wonderful people here who share the same views as myself... We are all brothers and sisters of equal stature in the eyes of our creator! It is sad that I have told my wife many times.. 'you know what the problem with the world is today? People' which is really sad when you think of it.. because we should all be like Yeshua and equal in the eyes of God!
Peace and Harmony through Unconditional LOVE!

[rmcdra]

I haven't had much experience with CARM or other Christian forums but I have been to churches like that while I was at school in Natchitoches. I had some sort of experience between my father's accident back in 1996 (he broke his neck diving into a 4 ft swimming pool) and my mother's death in 1998, which conflicted greatly with traditional Christian teachings.

One being the idea that one has to be at church to experience God. My mom hardly ever went or brought us to church while my dad was injured and I still experienced something dinive. I don't know if it I had experienced God but I had experienced something supernatural that could not be passed off as something psychological or as those groups would say as being "demonic".

The thing that helps me deal with such people is quoted in the Gospel of Truth and I have personally experienced. That each person has a level of things they are ready for. I know if I had been told all the things I had experienced up to now in my youth I would not have understood it. I do believe that there are events in our lives that trigger an awaken and readiness for certain spiritual things. No level of intellegence can prepare one for it. It must be experienced before the understanding can begin.

[sopherim7]

hi rmcdra, yes those e4xperiances that awaken us is usually suffering. it does really at times seem to beat you down , but that humbeling experiance is what propels you in to the loving arms of the father.

[Abraxas]

Martin Luther was a Gnostic??? That's the most curious thing I've ever heard. Luther was a brilliant theologian as well as a raging Anti-Semite. He also was more in line with Marcion, who also believed in faith saves only. I think both got Paul wrong because the Mythmaker was a Gnostic. Even the quote from Galatians by Thomas shows his disdain for 'The Law' (the Torah...or more like the literal Torah).

Faith and works are good and wonderful, but they won't get an individual out of the Ouroboros. Only gnosis will.

"What makes us free is the gnosis
of who we were,
of what we have become;
of where we were,
of wherein we have been cast;
of whereto we speed,
of wherefrom we are redeemed;
of what birth truly is,
and of what rebirth truly is."

– Exerpta Ex Theodoto--

[Admin]

I think both [i.e. Martin Luther & Marcion] got Paul wrong because the Mythmaker was a Gnostic.

Hi Abraxas, I would really like to hear your comments on this thread (about Paul) - http://gnosis.forumotion.com/christianity-f9/paul-false-apostle-first-christian-1-of-8-t28.htm

PLU ~ Bob

[vbm62]

ML was under influence of German mystics of the time,
trying bypassing "karma" he come up with quick salvation idea,
some Rosicrucians supported him, but it may have been just a pure
political support.

Martin Luther was a Gnostic??? That's the most curious thing I've ever heard. Luther was a brilliant theologian as well as a raging Anti-Semite. He also was more in line with Marcion, who also believed in faith saves only. I think both got Paul wrong because the Mythmaker was a Gnostic. Even the quote from Galatians by Thomas shows his disdain for 'The Law' (the Torah...or more like the literal Torah).

Faith and works are good and wonderful, but they won't get an individual out of the Ouroboros. Only gnosis will.

"What makes us free is the gnosis
of who we were,
of what we have become;
of where we were,
of wherein we have been cast;
of whereto we speed,
of wherefrom we are redeemed;
of what birth truly is,
and of what rebirth truly is."

– Exerpta Ex Theodoto--