Beyond Babylon offers US CONSTRUCTIVE criticism

Beyond Babylon: Europe's Rise and Fall warns that due to our idolatry and immorality, our nations are prophesied to fall, and fall hard, IF we don't turn from our ways and remember our Hebrew roots and biblical responsibilities.

British-Israelites and Jews in Grave Danger

here is where i AM GOING TO AGREE WITH YOU DAVID.i fully believe based on biblical prophecy, and OTHER prophetic work AMERICA is in for trouble.GOD CLEARY JUDGES NATIONS FOR DISOBEIDENCE!!! the way thru it is the non violent way of the lamb. this is the cold hard truth!! CURSES for disobedience and blessings for OBIEDIANCE . I believe that GOD will bring HIS in christ thru this much like the Jewish exodus. IN fact Exodus and revelation have some interesting simularities.
if there was not just recompense for disobedience to the way of christ then his way would not matter.and all people would enter the kingdom of heaven even those that chose to not follow the way of righteousness. there absolutely positively is divine judgement.there are many conical and gnostic writing on the end times . as well as mayan,hopi,hindu and many other prophets that speak of these times of judgements, the sybil, THE REAL MERLIN, NOSTRADAMUS, even a computer program called the web bots project.

I sincerely hope the Good Lord will not judge us so harshly. I know I often do the things I hate, and through the trap of illusion could easily commit such crimes as commited by "those" people. In fact, it may be a worse sin, doing the things that I hate, than commiting sin out of a misperception of what is righteous. This really bothers me(my sin) and I do not wish to impose guilt upon others, knowing how much of a burden it is on me. Yet, I seem to do so anywy(judge), un/subconsciously and unwillingly.

I once had the idea that the entire world was my mind/ego's manifestation and it was my fault others suffered in ignorance b/c of sub/unconscious tendencies of "mine" that I don't really want.

Wired.

for all sin and fall short of the glory of god , therefore there is no condemnation for those who are in CHRIST, we all sin much more then we even realise! when we do we have forgivness .that is what we confess for he is faithfull and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrightousness,our life is a work thru UNTIL THE DAY OF CHRIST JESUS.
what i mean as far as confession goes is not a catholic interpertation of the veild confessional and pennance. confession is for OUR benifit when we recognise sin, pride ,roadrage,stealing, hate what have you.if we are christed we will feel the sting of remorse i use this word instead of guilt ,guilt is the enemy it does not come from christ! Remorse is built into us as a preventive. to continuing on in un christ like behavior, it allows us to sort of feel the pain we cause by our actions and the pain we cause in the heart of god. it is there for our protection and to preserve us from the ongoingness of the said actions. CONFESSION is SELF examination and SELF exorcism it is for our benifit NOT GODS for he already knows ,it is confession in prayer to HIM that alows us to realise even tho GOD AND THE KINGDOM is active within us we are imperfect.and he is HOLY AND PERFECT
and that we recognise that fact,it keeps us grounded and actively pursuing righteousness. IT is this self awareness that keeps us real ,and empathetic to others around us who also are imperfect ,it allows us to be forgiving as CHRIST is.
this "confession" to god is cleansing , to our hearts minds and souls. we must never forget CHRIST HAS THE POWER TO FORGIVE and does ,as he also forgave the ignorance of those who persecuted him. we as human beins who know rigt and wrong expect discipline for wrong actions this comes in the form of reaping as we have sewn.we are forgivin yet for every action there is reaction.when it does not happen i call that a miracle of gods grace. the cosmic law of reaping as one has sewn is part of the educational process of life on earth. THE PROBLEM IS we do not accept forgivness nor do we forgive our selfs very easily. this also is sin as it is a form of pride called SELF PITY and also a bit masochistic as we all sometimes are for some strange reason. i think it is recognition of the carnal nature and its enmity with god. we must not forget how much we are loved and learn to forgive ourselfs. are we wiser then god are our ways better that we should not forgive ourself when HE HAS FORGIVEN US? no i say not! national sin is another story . the book of ezekieal is a good example also the story of jonah and ninevah, the whole old testement , and the history of isreal as GODS chosen nation is the best example of how god deals with nations. the escotology of isreal and america and there relation to each other is why judgement and recompense will come to america


smile theeternaliam CHRIST loves you sopherim7

Unprofitable Servant wrote:Mr Hoover

Update your information. My good name David Hoover was legally changed to David Ben-Ariel in 1989 for religious reasons, as is my prerogative and clearly related in God-given names. It's also mentioned within From Toledo to Jerusalem

Do you seriously think that the one true and holy God communicates to the world with pestilence, destruction and the smiting of nations?

Absolutely, as necessary, just as His Word - the holy Bible - reveals.

God does indeed communicate, but not through violence.

So you don't know the true God, our Great Creator God, the God of the Bible, the God of Israel?

God is peaceable, and he communicates with the peaceable.

God uses different strokes for different folks.

So you believe God is gonna punish people and inflict mass amounts of pain and suffering upon them because they happened to be born in a messed-up world that taught them terrible ways, pulls them by magnetic forces, and inflicts ignorance upon their minds? And do you say the Good Lord is also the cause of this ignorance and evil instilled in the hearts of Man? I hate to think that a Good God would create us to be ignorant and mean, and then not choose to send forth Grace upon us, all so He could punish us. NOT FAIR!!!! I would not want to worship a sadist. My God is Good, willing to destroy all beings with His Holy Love, definetely not a God who can't understand, like most humans. Perhaps you project yer own self(or yer ideals) onto the God you worship?(don't we all)

It seems God has let us have free roam within the limits of natural law, that we reap what we sow. Gravity does not choose sides, it seems that the best of men could jump off a cliff and face the same death as a murderous brute.

Also there could be unseen factors involved, and we may also look at natural destruction by nature as a sign, for all things in this realm seem to come into being grow to a point and then whither away, but I lay no claim to know the absolute truth, for I would be lacking grounding.

I hope that we also realize that temporal life is short and all this transitory world we sense with our physical sensory is likely just phenomenon from a greater cause.

I do not see how we know what God does any more than an atom knows what we do, unless the atom has the capacity to feel the presence of the whole, but maybe one can elaborate for the less confident in deeming factual direct actions of God.

it is not necessarily that GOD PUNISHES PEOPLE it is that they,we reap as we have sewn.we have blown up nuclear war heads on earth in earth in our atmosphere, global warming,global dimming,damed things that were not ment to be ,who bulilds cities below sea level? idiots! pollution from plains trains trucks cars,thousands of tons of oil dump in our ocean,the list goes on and on .cataclysmic earth changes, earth has only been docile as we now know it for a little over 10,000 years
how are we not going to reap the consequences for destroying earth? couple that with the cycles of earth changes that are with in its own nature. not to mention what we do to each other! la,la,la, GOD IS LOVE , well GOD IS JUST!!! adam and eve sinned and they were kicked out of the garden and cursed by God . GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH and all life in it. he set a standard and people have chosen for the entirety of human existence to ignore him and do as they pleased. is there a parent thats worth anything that lets there child do what ever they want?punishment and JUST RECOMPENSE are 2 DIFFERENT THINGS.God also lets them be darkend because that is what they choose, as GOD ALLOWS US TO MAKE OUR OWN DECISIONS, IF PEOPLE CHOOSE TO BE AND REMAIN IGNORANT GOD LETS THEM LIVE OUT THERE DECISION < OR THERE IS NO FREE WILL< DID YOU out of your own brillance enlighten yourself or did GOD choose you and you accepted, there are those who ignore GOD .

Why would God create a Perfect Eden, but then throw in a fruit frm a Tree that is very enticing to munch on and then say not to eat it? Why give us the temptation? What determines that we don't give into the temptation to sin? The pull may be stronger for some people, and then the ego and its external manifestations make the sin seem not so bad. The snake in Eden justifying the reason to eat the apple, for example. So, God puts these things there for us to Choose, and we claim its so we can have "free will". Pain and suffering have had it's place in my experience, don't get me wrong, I know now that it is not what I would choose and inflict upon others. Have you ever noticed, though, that sometimes no matter what choice you make in a particular situation, someone suffers from what you choose. An example, to have to choose b/w the lesser of two evils, maybe, like a choice b/w saving one person or ten. Also, sometimes you may have good intentions and the end result seems bad. I believe in a God who transcends decision/dichotomies. These are of the lower deterministic prison that He has freed us from. All sin will be undone, has been undone. We are not cursed. We are free of the world.

People can't choose to be ignorant. It is there ignorance that causes them to desire ignorance and not God. I'd like to ask you, do you believe that God asks us to choose b/w Good and Evil, Life and Death, but then make darkness seem more appealing to some people? Is He the one that makes evil seem appealing to some yet repulsive to others?In this world, bad may seem good, and good may seem bad.

Yes, I believe God is Just, and I feel its Him that tells me that the "system" is not Just. He is My Deliverer and all Beings' Deliverer.

I'm not sure whether I believe in Free Will, as the way it is usually defined. But I'd sure be interested in yer opinions/definitons of this.(Whenever I argue/discuss such matters, I often feel as if I'm arguing w/ different parts of my self.)

May We All Remember the One.

i understand what your implying about free will and have been hesatant to discuss it so far. are you familiar with the term 5
point calvinism? check it out ,tell me what you think, it involves predestination, who can say they they know the mind of GOD , i will say it obviousley has purpose. since three this afternoon i have been dealing with a dying kitten, and helping my children cope i do not have the answer to questions like why would GOD let it be born ,live three weeks and the mom decides to ignore it,starve it and watch it die while caring for the oyher 4, so we wnt and got soy babey formula an eye dropper and are trying to keep it alive, but i still have no control over its life no matter if we do it right, it eats poops
lives a few more days, hours who knows . GOD IS GOD that is the way it just is . as far as the fruit, in that same garden was the tree of life GOD did NOT forbide them to eat from that , and they were kicked out so they could not eat from that after they ate from the tree of knowledge .the whole point in my finite OPINION is this how can one truley know and understand true love ,joy and happiness unless they also have experianced hate pain and sorrow. you know the saying you do not know what you have until it is gone