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Revelation 7:4 & Revelation 14:1. Who do you think they are?

Chukuma wrote:Revelation 7:4 & Revelation 14:1. Who do you think they are?

Hi Chukuma

Well, I guess that the number (144,000) is not exactly a 'literal' figure of the total number who are actually Saved? But I do not know the true significance.

Please tell us your interpretation ~ I await with much anticipation.

Peace and Love to ALL for the New Year

Chukuma -

alrighty, what's your take on the 666?

I'll be anticipating your answer.

BB

Chukuma wrote:Hey, ABS. The book of Revelation is an initiation right. It is not what many think it is. It was written by Pol a.k.a. (Paul The Apostle), known among the masses as Jesus Christ . It is a serious death nail to the orthodox faith. Here we go...

Every man is born under a sign of the zodiac, which consist of 12. The twelve tribes of Israel represent this very zodiac. They each have a value of 1000 ( an indefinite number)..

12 x 12,000 = 144,000..

Below are the 7 chakras in man. These 144,000 have their foreheads sealed. The sealing on the forehead of the elect represents illumination. Each center is awakened with the blossom of each lotus.

1. Sacral/Muladhara (Ephesus) - 4 petals

2. Prostatic/Adhishthana (Smyrna) - 6 petals

3. Solar Plexus/Manipuraka (Pergamos) - 10 petals

4. Cardiac/Anahata (Thyatira) - 12 petals

5. Pharyngeal/Vishudhi (Sardis) – 16 petals

6. Cavernous/ Ajna (Philadelphia) – 96 petals

Total: 144 petals

7. Conarium/Sahasrara (Laodicia) – 1000 petals (Infinite).

144 (first 6 chakras) X 1000 (crown chakra) = 144,000.

If one looks at Revelation 21:17, he or she will notice the mention of the measurement of the city. Notice 144 cubits being the measure of the wall. This measurement is that of man, an angel. This is a reference to the sahu body (New Jerusalem).]

1 +4 + 4 = 9. This is the number representing incarnation (i.e. mankind).

What one can draw from this is that the New Jerusalem is a state of illuminated mind, in which one possesses a body of light (i.e. an angel).

This is is what was meant by:

Matthew 6:22
"The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single (3rd eye), thy whole body shall be full of light."

Htp.

Right - this will take some time to go over and absorb fully. I'll come back later.

PLU

Hello everybody

Yes, alot to absorb! More (numerology) 144.000=1+4+4=9. 9 is a "number of completion".

Also: 666=3X6=18=1+8=9.

It can be that Chukuma is 100% right. I have no idea.

But about this I have an understanding: (I think the Bible quote I remember is slightly different from the one quoted by Chukuma):
"If thine eye is many, thine body is filled with darkness, but if thine eye is single, thine whole body is filled with light." Probably not the exact quote, but good enough.

This (I say with 100% certainty) refers to the teaching we also have in the 4th way about the lack of unity in man and what we call "many "I"'s". Jesus here says that as long as our being is full of many and conflicting "I"'s, we will live in inner darkness. Unity (really another word for enlightenment) can only be achieved by developing the Real I. This I is permanent, indivisible and permanently conscious. A man with Real I has no contradictions or inner darkness anymore. His One I/Eye illuminates his whole being.

Some Bible translations don't get this passage right. Maybe because it makes no sense to the translators. I've read different translations both in English and in scandinavian languages. The English King James Bible has it right though. (As far as I can remember.)

It's also interesting with the play on the same-sounding English words "eye" and "I".

BB

BelzeBob wrote:But about this I have an understanding: (I think the Bible quote I remember is slightly different from the one quoted by Chukuma):
"If thine eye is many, thine body is filled with darkness, but if thine eye is single, thine whole body is filled with light." Probably not the exact quote, but good enough.

Matthew 6:22-23 "The lamp of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is the darkness!"

This (I say with 100% certainty) refers to the teaching we also have in the 4th way about the lack of unity in man and what we call "many "I"'s". Jesus here says that as long as our being is full of many and conflicting "I"'s, we will live in inner darkness. Unity (really another word for enlightenment) can only be achieved by developing the Real I. This I is permanent, indivisible and permanently conscious. A man with Real I has no contradictions or inner darkness anymore. His One I/Eye illuminates his whole being.

Some Bible translations don't get this passage right. Maybe because it makes no sense to the translators. I've read different translations both in English and in scandinavian languages. The English King James Bible has it right though. (As far as I can remember.)

It's also interesting with the play on the same-sounding English words "eye" and "I".

BB

What I (and I think Chukuma too) understand by this is not the play on "I" and "eye" (which is only possible in English - not Greek or Aramaic), but that it refers to the 'single eye', i.e. the pineal gland, the 'eye of Shiva', the inner 'Spiritual' eye which percieves the LIGHT of God. The 'evil' eye refers to our 'carnal' outer eyes, which can only percieve the things of the outer physical world.

I agree, however with what you say about the true, 'single', non dual, and non-egoistic "I" ~ i.e. the higher (Spiritual) Self!

PLU

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He he, I'm convinced I'm right. And that it's a matter of mistranslation. Not "good" and "evil", but "one" and "many". Ah! It's not in the King James Bible or in the other Bible I have. I think I read it in a Swedish translation. (Bible quotes are anyway not my strongest side... ) Anyway, I've seen many Bible translations begin "If thine eye be single..." the opposite of single is of course many.

Pineal gland/third eye? Oh, yes! Absolutely. But I'm sure this Bible passage is about the difference between having many "I"'s and having the One I.

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BB

Oki-doki

(Chukuma: Your 144-interpretation/explanation makes some sense though, if I understand you/it right - namely that in order to enter Heaven you have to become "the perfected man" and not that the "Heaven Hotel" only has space for 144.000 people. Which unfortunately is the common (idiotic?) interpretation.)

More questions:
1.What about the 666? Any ideas? (Yeah, I know it doesn't really belong here. But that's the other number from the Bible that I can't work out.)
2.Chukuma: your chakra connection is interesting, but how do you come to the conclusion that the 144.000 number is linked to these? F.ex: have you found references in Christian/Gnostic literature that indicates this?
3.What is your personal understanding of the Chakras - what are their functions and how are they developed to their highest capacity, or harmonized?
4.This about the number of petals I haven't seen before, where is it from?
5. Sahu body? In the 4th way's - as well as in the Theosophist teaching, man has 3 higher potential bodies, in this order: astral, mental, causal. Maybe the sahu body is one of these?
"Opening of the 3rd eye" would correspond to the crystallization of the astral body from the point of view of the 4th way teaching. (Also the achievement of inner unity - no more "many and changing "I"'s", but 1 new permanent eye. As well as the development of "the higher emotional centre".)

I'd be especially interested to hear about the (Hindu/Indian?) system where "Sahu" comes from.

greetings!

BB

I would say that it might have to do with the Hebrew thing with numbers and letters. But so far, I have heard from fundies for some time that so-and-so is the beast, (and it changes as their loyalities do), their numbers come up that way, and it is all pretty assinine.

The mark of the beast I believe would have more to do with the priests of Rome, as I personally think that revelation is about the corruption of the message and purpose of Christ's teachings being perverted and corrupted by the establishment of the church.... The bishops and such wore things on thier 'hats' (don't know what the official term for that pointy thing on thier head is called) and certain rings that designated thier office, it could be a reference to that as well....

But again, I do not think revelations to be a book of some future big bang that ends the world - not to say that won't be in the future, but I don't think revelations is about it.

Greetings Belzebob,
In the following you wrote...

This (I say with 100% certainty) refers to the teaching we also have in the 4th way about the lack of unity in man and what we call "many "I"'s". Jesus here says that as long as our being is full of many and conflicting "I"'s, we will live in inner darkness. Unity (really another word for enlightenment) can only be achieved by developing the Real I...

That's interesting... makes me think of the Gadarene demonic and Mary Magdalene. Did not each have multiple "I"s" (egos) cast out of them? The Gadarene... "My name is Legion: for we are many (Mark 5:9) and Mary Magdalene... "out of whom went seven devils" (Luke 8:2)

What do you think or am I reading into this?

AYOGI

Yes, exactly right.

Oki-doki

(Chukuma: Your 144-interpretation/explanation makes some sense though, if I understand you/it right - namely that in order to enter Heaven you have to become "the perfected man" and not that the "Heaven Hotel" only has space for 144.000 people. Which unfortunately is the common (idiotic?) interpretation.)

More questions:
1.What about the 666? Any ideas? (Yeah, I know it doesn't really belong here. But that's the other number from the Bible that I can't work out.)
2.Chukuma: your chakra connection is interesting, but how do you come to the conclusion that the 144.000 number is linked to these? F.ex: have you found references in Christian/Gnostic literature that indicates this?
3.What is your personal understanding of the Chakras - what are their functions and how are they developed to their highest capacity, or harmonized?
4.This about the number of petals I haven't seen before, where is it from?
5. Sahu body? In the 4th way's - as well as in the Theosophist teaching, man has 3 higher potential bodies, in this order: astral, mental, causal. Maybe the sahu body is one of these?
"Opening of the 3rd eye" would correspond to the crystallization of the astral body from the point of view of the 4th way teaching. (Also the achievement of inner unity - no more "many and changing "I"'s", but 1 new permanent eye. As well as the development of "the higher emotional centre".)

I'd be especially interested to hear about the (Hindu/Indian?) system where "Sahu" comes from.

greetings!

Reply:



1) 666 - You already hinted on one. The total sum of 6+6+6 = 18. 1 + 8 = 9 (descent of the soul/incarnation = beast/animal nature).

Those who take the beast on their forehead represent the carnal minded while those who the Father's name written on their foreheads are those who are of the higher mind. As I stated before, Pol wrote Revelation and this is an initiation. It is not coincidence that the book is called R-E-V-E-L-A-T-I-O-N.






2) Chakra Connection. You can see Chakra Mantras: by Thomas Ashley Farrand.

http://www.addictionalchemy.com/addiction_recovery_chakras.html








3) That's a question I truly do not have time to answer, but there is plenty one can research whether it be online or in books. But it is best to gain a personal understanding etc. by seeking out a sebai/guru/yogi who is hand picked of God to lead you through your particular spiritual journey.








4) It is of Egyptian origin, but made its way to India via the Dravidians. Use the link below to click on each chakra:

http://adishakti.org/subtle_system/chakras.htm









5) Sahu is of Egyptian origin. It is the glorified body depicted in the gospels as the resurrection of Christ. The same resurrection of Amsu Horus.








Many view the resurrections of Lazarus and Iesous as isolated historical incidents. I don't. They existed in Egypt thousands of years before the CE as the story of Asar and Heru's resurrection, which is actually ONE resurrection. Heru (Iesous) raises the mummy Asar/(Lazarus) in John 11:44. The resurrection of Iesous is the story of how Asar transmuted (Luke 24:1-6) into the risen Krst, Amsu-Horus. His not being touched in John 20:17 is a reflection of the Khaibit (shade)of the soul, the "shadow" in Marcion's account of the resurrection.

It is not coincidence that both Lazarus (Asar) and Iesous (Heru) are resurrected after 3 days from a tomb and the story of Asar and Heru are the funerarytexts of PMH. Think: mummies..tombs..resurrection).

The two angels in the tomb (Luke 24:2-4) represent the Ka (soul) and Ba (spirit) of Heru. The two angels merge and become the Akh (glorified body) of the risen Krst, Amsu heru. They are also located in Acts 1:10.



Single Eye - http://www.shangrala.org/Chakras/ThirdEye.html


Research what I am sharing..see for yourself.

Htp.

Oh my gosh, I love this forum.

I have believed since I had my first spiritual experience that the book of revelations was about a man's spiritual journey
to Christ consciousness. Its the only thing that makes sense. Otherwise we have God giving us info about the material
world, when he knows full well that there is no material world. Oh life is so great.



peace to all