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by sopherim7 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:52 am

it is odd, see i know what you are saying is true. i understand about vibration manifesting inti being ,i really believe what you are saying is the truth ,igrasp it when i read it then its gone. do you know what i mean? it truly does make real sense. I am glad and thankfull that you took the time to show me this .it will take me several times of reading as there is so much to truley grasp ,it has touched me deeply somewhere that i am not familiar with ,and cannot even really explain it . but i cannot shake that this reality has meaning and point,oterwise why would even manifest? am i still not getting it ? please dont give up on opening these doors with me i do really grasp this , this is not the first time i have heard these things.can you provide me with more reading. i understand that this is not intellectual knowledge ,that is not what i am seeking, i just want to realise what i know already and understand it and be able to put words to this, that i can not seem to find the words for . i really am not nuts ... i think..... hehehe..... but seriousley ,do you know what i mean?????? scratch

sopherim

by theeternaliam on Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:11 am

I think Passerby is showing us that there's something more than the literal doctrine of the Modern Church. I do believe the Lord God Almighty will reveal us the Mysteries, namely the Ineffable Mystery. And then the world shall fall before our eyes and we will realize the Kingdom of Heaven. This is the apocalypse(the unveiling).

Keep Faith, brothers and sisters, Our God is Good and will Make His Good Manifest.

by Chukuma on Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:18 am

sopherim7 wrote:it is odd, see i know what you are saying is true. i understand about vibration manifesting inti being ,i really believe what you are saying is the truth ,igrasp it when i read it then its gone. do you know what i mean? it truly does make real sense. I am glad and thankfull that you took the time to show me this .it will take me several times of reading as there is so much to truley grasp ,it has touched me deeply somewhere that i am not familiar with ,and cannot even really explain it . but i cannot shake that this reality has meaning and point,oterwise why would even manifest? am i still not getting it ? please dont give up on opening these doors with me i do really grasp this , this is not the first time i have heard these things.can you provide me with more reading. i understand that this is not intellectual knowledge ,that is not what i am seeking, i just want to realise what i know already and understand it and be able to put words to this, that i can not seem to find the words for . i really am not nuts ... i think..... hehehe..... but seriousley ,do you know what i mean??????

sopherim

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Hello, Sopherim. Pb is speaking truth. It only seems odd because of the massive indoctrination of exotericism. Your heart is very sincere, but there is also a lot of conflict in what you are stating. Be encouraged and continue to unlearn what this world has taught you in order to become whole.

Htp

by Admin on Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:43 am

I agree with everything that has been said in the last few posts, but I would like to point out one very important thing. No amount of intellectual discussion or description can possibly give true understanding or gnosis or SPIRITUAL REALITY. I am sure Yehoshua or Buddha or Moses did not use such methods to describe or reveal the gnostic Truth. This Great Mystery is (in my experience) only revealed through INITIATION into the Mysteries (which are not intellectual - nor comprehended by mind - but known only through MYSTIC EXPERIENCE). This is why the Masters have said that we MUST BECOME LIKE LITTLE CHILDREN ~ NOT intellectual champions ~ for it is really very very very SIMPLE!

PLU ~ Bob Very Happy

by sopherim7 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:54 am

i cannot deny indoctrination,nor can i deny the truth that i have learned thru reading the bible, i have learned thru the bible that the church does not practice what it preaches,it is in great contrast to it in fact.

by Chukuma on Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:18 am

Admin wrote:I agree with everything that has been said in the last few posts, but I would like to point out one very important thing. No amount of intellectual discussion or description can possibly give true understanding or gnosis or SPIRITUAL REALITY. I am sure Yehoshua or Buddha or Moses did not use such methods to describe or reveal the gnostic Truth. This Great Mystery is (in my experience) only revealed through INITIATION into the Mysteries (which are not intellectual - nor comprehended by mind - but known only through MYSTIC EXPERIENCE). This is why the Masters have said that we MUST BECOME LIKE LITTLE CHILDREN ~ NOT intellectual champions ~ for it is really very very very SIMPLE!

PLU ~ Bob

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Yes, Bob. I wholeheartedly agree. I'd also like to add to the statement of becoming as a child. Another aspect of this truth is that the pineal secretes melatonin. Children produce greater amounts of melatonin than adults. Such production also decreases upon reaching puberty. With that said, let us become children through MEDITATION!

Htp

by sopherim7 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:32 am

guys,let me say that i do realise that this is not intellectual!!! as i have stated, i know what these posts say and i unerstand them as truth.it truley resonates within me ,as if i already knew this ,yet i am hungary for more,to read it puts the words in that i am struggeling to find , reading the gnostic scripture as well it grounds me ,it validates the truth i know deep with in and am learning how to understand , i also belive i have gone thru the mysteries of initiation, i also want to tell you guys this....it is very hard to say as some may find it wackey but it is so true and so real,i dont know if it is astro travel,ir out of body experiance,but i went some where one time and a friend told me that it sounds like i went to an ashram,it was such a wondefull feeling of remberance,of that i belonged there . i rember a whole lotabout it ,i can even smell it there, as i recall it , in this experiance i also saw prymids, and the nite sky from the dessert, i have never sen so many stars ,not even on the clearest nite here in my woods ,and trust me when i say i m sure i have gazed long and deep on many cold and beautifull winter nites and have seen the depth if billions of stars,planets and all else that makes the nite sky, Like a Star @ heaven

i feel it calling my heart,and saying this is your home , i feel like i am waiting for something ....

flower

sopherim

by The_Passerby on Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:47 pm

sopherim7 wrote:it is odd, see i know what you are saying is true. i understand about vibration manifesting inti being ,i really believe what you are saying is the truth ,igrasp it when i read it then its gone. do you know what i mean? it truly does make real sense. I am glad and thankfull that you took the time to show me this .it will take me several times of reading as there is so much to truley grasp ,it has touched me deeply somewhere that i am not familiar with ,and cannot even really explain it . but i cannot shake that this reality has meaning and point,oterwise why would even manifest? am i still not getting it ? please dont give up on opening these doors with me i do really grasp this , this is not the first time i have heard these things.can you provide me with more reading. i understand that this is not intellectual knowledge ,that is not what i am seeking, i just want to realise what i know already and understand it and be able to put words to this, that i can not seem to find the words for . i really am not nuts ... i think..... hehehe..... but seriousley ,do you know what i mean??????

sopherim

There is apart of yourself that already knows (which knows more than all the people of this world), that is your Authentic Nature, your True Soul Being of Light which is not of or in the body, but interconnected. This is that which was made in The Mind of God's image in Spiritual-Mental Divinity. However, when you read something you are using a different fragment of personality, this fragment is of a higher order and may have some vague understanding, but when other stimulus comes you shift to another fragment that is apart of another faculty of mind which does not support what you read prior, has different opinions apart from the other, and has its own sense.

In some respects when people imagine that there is a discrepancy in memory, it is the result of the fragmentation -- in that other moment they were expressing from a different aspect then the one they are now. Time, from one perspective, is a dimension of consciousness and one moves through the dimension of mind when they remember, often they are drawing upon the fragment or aspect of that experience or better said that TIME, so that when they remember they recall the "I" they reacted from. One is at times never the same person twice in the role, depending on fragmentation of personality.

The problem among all man is not because of God or anything else, but that they lack Self Knowledge. Man does not know himself (as to his constitution), he knows nothing about self and this is the cause of his issues. For if a man understood himself he would know what he must do and he would be able to do and fulfill. Likewise he would understand others. Going one step further, if he knew his True Self he would be in the position to even be able to KNOW God. Man does not know he has a Soul Self. And I am not talking about just an Atheistic person or an Agnostic, but also all the people of this world who are outside of the circle of Initiation into the foremost level of their Inner spectrum of Being, do not know. This initiation is a Self initiation, no other sort of initiation can there be, but self initiation. But the people who say they have a Soul, do not know themselves. They feel something they don't understand, but do not know nor understand. They have an experience, but can't come to terms with it, they do not know how to make sense of it, they perceive through a filter of that which they are polarized to and they feel they have come to see God, Moses, Buddha, or some other form. Man is a slave to their past and unless one unties their mind and becomes a child in regards the world, as Yeshua and others have said, such a one will not be able to enter the kingdom. In Truth it is mans lack of knowledge of self which prevents him from knowing anything. Early Church Father Origen once wrote,

“But all the narrative portion, relating either to the marriages, or to the begetting of the children, or to battles of different kinds, or to any other histories whatever, what else can they be supposed to be, save the forms and figures of hidden and sacred things? As men, however, make little effort to exercise their intellect, or imagine that they possess knowledge before they really learn, the consequence is that they never begin to have knowledge..."

But again as the scriptures say, it is precept upon precept, here a little there a little. One must live the truth in thought, desire, deed, and word and represent the truth as they understand it and no greater truth can be received for that which has not been lived or fulfilled by application towards change, transformation or development in their constitution. Truth comes to those who prepare themselves to receive it and only greater capacities of it can be understood through doing. There are limitations imposed upon us, man needs self knowledge. And even if one tells another of their constitution, one must experience and observe it themselves, or what they have been given is on loan and they do not own it. One must make it theirs by proving all things.

by The_Passerby on Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:58 pm

One thing about matter. Matter of this world, the vibratory force or density of it is slower, so matter becomes much denser. In days long pass people could move through or pass through things, if they had achieved the Birth of Mind. Although scriptures are esoteric and allegorical, Yeshua, no doubt could "pass through" things.

by sopherim7 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:05 pm

this is so awesome to me,i have at times realized the fragmented "i" . your last post has explained alot to me . like how i can know something,yet not fully grasp it. i have experiencd what you call the untieing of the mind , it is something i seemengly had no control over,i find it "happens" mostley during the tramatic mystery of suffering.what do you think has caused this disharmony of mans nature? i listen to this woman ,barbera hand clow,she is amazing, she has this essay,in it she talks about what you discuss.she has this term catastrophobia that makes alot of sense ,check it out .i will share this here, i believe there is fear of letting go,in me that prevents alot of gnosis experiance. also ,call it the filter as you have, i still can line up ,alot of what you say with scripture,as mutilated as it has become. the truth is still available . i jhave these experiances as i spoke of above ,and in other posts.after, i am so profoundley introspective for a while, it opens up more of who and why i believe some of the things i do ,and can realise deepre truths of what i seem to already know. i have always known that who and what iam is not what is seen . i have more on this but have cut short

flower

sopherim7

by The_Passerby on Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:44 pm

Well you can gain no greater degree or understanding of truth then what you are willing to live in your life. Many times people do not understand things as they should understand things, but they must develop in mind and being, in order to understand. Expand their minds beyond the organic limitations imposed upon them.

To Untie ones mind is to unloose it from the constraints imposed upon it from this world; in regards its mindsets, philosophies, ideologies, and etc.

Well moments of suffering can be shocks and awes, they can shock you out of your mechanical stupor that you are in for the better part of your whole life and bring you to shock in moment where you are conscious and this can be utilized, by that which is your True Self which is not of this world or in the body and it can reach out to you, in a manner that would be impossible without definite and direct conscious super effort. However these only happen once out of a the blue moon, if you are lucky and for the better part of your life one experiences nothing of that. Why? Because man has limitations imposed upon them, organically and cosmically, most of which varies in relation to what their soul has invoked prior in other lives -- the laws of God will support what they have done or not, for these laws are mechanical. So again, it is an issue of lack of self knowledge. Many people have to literally DIE in order to even contact with their True Self, which is a Soul/Being of intense Light. This is what occurs in the NDE's. What one wants to achieve is the reality of what is in the NDE without having to physical die, but to achieve this through effort. In NDE's people come into contact with their Authentic Nature, which is a Luminous Being and it is not God but their Pre-Existent Soul, for God is much more than that.

What causes mans disharmony? Man is in the womb of development under the Force of this world, struggle is a part of this development. Likewise man is a machine, who knows not what he does or what he is, suffering for man is the only means that he even has development, because it is the only means by which in his mechanical stupor that he can even be refined or work on the defects and divisions that consume them, just as a child struggles to maturity of mind in a school environment. It is by invoking the laws upon themselves and eventually coming to harmony or balance within a given defect or level of mind or being that needs work on. One who is not a machine, does not suffer, this one walks in the Right hand of God.

by DarkChylde on Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:15 am

That is an interesting contemplation, the 'purpose' of suffering.

I feel pain is a teacher, tho we so avoid the lessons (I do too, believe me).

by Gray Ghost on Sun May 04, 2008 10:24 pm

Its interesting to note that the word "Christian" only appears 4 times in the Bible. Secondly, Jesus never even heard the word it did not appear until some 40 years after is death. The 144,000 are the 12 tribes of Abraham they are supposedly those that will be raptured up with the church during the Tribulation. Personally I do not out much faith in this rapture deal cause its a man made term used to fit mans interpretation of events that are foretold in the Bible. Of the 12 , two are lost scattered here and there to be brought together later.

by Admin on Mon May 05, 2008 7:53 am

Gray Ghost wrote:Its interesting to note that the word "Christian" only appears 4 times in the Bible. Secondly, Jesus never even heard the word it did not appear until some 40 years after is death. The 144,000 are the 12 tribes of Abraham they are supposedly those that will be raptured up with the church during the Tribulation. Personally I do not out much faith in this rapture deal cause its a man made term used to fit mans interpretation of events that are foretold in the Bible. Of the 12 , two are lost scattered here and there to be brought together later.

Yes, and I think you will find that the term Christian is only mentioned three times. It was most likely a term 'invented' by Saul/Paul - who I consider to be a false (mistaken or mentally ill) apostle (see here for my reasoning: http://gnosis.forumotion.com/christianity-f9/paul-false-apostle-first-christian-1-of-8-t28.htm ).

PLU ~ Bob Very Happy

by Gray Ghost on Mon May 05, 2008 7:55 am

If you look in the New KJV it is mentioned seven times, in the Old KJV 4 times......

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