why are we here?

I remember listening to a minister on the radio, Good God has to be 10 years ago, and remembered a question That he told the host every single person needs to answer, it doesnt matter what belief you have , and even with none at all as an athiest one needs to ask them self this question. Why are we here?
There is all this knowledge that this world we need to separate from it, we need to seek from were we came from and the enlightenment to fulfill in ourselves to get back to that. Even Christ has said He who stands in the place were it began and sees the end will never tast death. But it didn`t answer why we came in the first place. If the Parents so devoutly and lovingly wish us to come home and recieve our inheritance from them, which is who we are. Why on earth or By God did we have to leave in first place.. LOL
A fair question, Yes?
without going any furthure I`ll let it ride, I can image there are some realy interesting and beautifully colored hearts out there to voice that which is inside.

So Good neighbors, as Mr. Rogers use to say and a blessed one He was. what say you?

Bro Thomas

I guess a better way to answer this question is by another question-Why would i want to be here? What do I want to do here?

Well, my greatest desire is for The Good. My desire is to Love and Be Loved, and surrendering my self-will seems to be the greatest way to satisfy both desires. This earthly existence has taught me this, by living in a body and seeing consequences of following an ignorant will, instead of surrendering to an All-Powerful, All-Knowing,All-Loving Will.

So why would I want to be in a place where suffering is possible?-The only reason I could think of, is to learn. Maybe to purify, but I wouldn't want others to have to suffer to purify themselves. What do I want to do? Give and Receive Love, Simply Be

theeternaliam wrote:I guess a better way to answer this question is by another question-Why would i want to be here? What do I want to do here?

Well, my greatest desire is for The Good. My desire is to Love and Be Loved, and surrendering my self-will seems to be the greatest way to satisfy both desires. This earthly existence has taught me this, by living in a body and seeing consequences of following an ignorant will, instead of surrendering to an All-Powerful, All-Knowing,All-Loving Will.

So why would I want to be in a place where suffering is possible?-The only reason I could think of, is to learn. Maybe to purify, but I wouldn't want others to have to suffer to purify themselves. What do I want to do? Give and Receive Love, Simply Be

Yes, I think we always receive our greatest desire. If we desire this world, then that is exactly what we get; if we truly and unconditionally desire God, then how could our Father refuse us?

PLU

GOD IS LOVE. Therefor he created. Gods finite could not grasp his infinitness.starting with the angel of his preasance some chose to obey,some to disobey. vibrating farther away from himbecoming heavyand dense. being enclosed into darkness. God in his wisdom and love intervined and chose to callhome thise who are his and always have been.in order to set in motion the redemption of the entirety of creation, taking rollcall each one by name and asking them whom they shall serve, until the full number has come to completion those born into flesh to serve GOD or serve perdition.time people, come and go only HIS truth is eternity.teaching in contrastsso we can grasp this huge cosmologicall lesson.
wisdom is sorrow ignorance is bliss.to be 3-d and experiance the pain and seaperationof death and loss is how we seem to understand,thru suffering how great and amazing agape love really is . to not only learn unity but to understand abiding with in one another and there lives.. christ embodied for this purpose.toshow us GOD loves us cares and understands.GOD understands the sting of death., for christ wept,and had compassion on the multitudes. The physical death and ressuerrection of christ shows us that he cares and loves us completley for all that we are mind spirt soul and body.. this action of bleeding unto death to give us rebirth new life and reconciles flesh to GOD.forhe did walk with ADAM andEVE in the cool of the evening,until they disobeyed HIM and chose seaperation by this action bring
spirtual death and physical death and sin into the human race ,marring our dna for i believe the curse of sin is genitic defect.and shamfully we have hid in the bushes ever since. begetting himself and transfiguring in to fleshand coinciding with the nature of man in the body of jesus the christ at one moment, is ATONMENT.FORGIVNESS and recons us alive in GOD thru the body and blood of JESUS THE CHRIST.that the earthen vessels we dwell in matter to GOD! this life is to teach us to die to self is GAIN crusify the old man and die to be ressurected alive with christ in GOD. and unlike JESUS we shall never know the sting of death seaperation ffrom god. this life is to comprehend how great is the love of god which gives hope joy love gentlness compassion to overflowing. not one infedal shall enter in!!!!!

Theeter wrote:
The only reason I could think of, is to learn. Maybe to purify, but I wouldn't want others to have to suffer to purify themselves. What do I want to do? Give and Receive Love, Simply Be

very true Learning is a big one, purifying is a big one when one has attain the knowledge to perform that, which also can be done in a wide arrangement of degrees. This is the performance of the 24th of the 1st Mystery being the father in the form of a Dove (Holy Spirit). Even Most Gnostics dont know their performing the mysteries, along with even Christians that pray and feel, but have not learned what they actually are doing.
Allowing others to suffer? All Spirit Souls in this realm must walk through that door alone with the father, some may suffer some may catch on easily, We can help them only to the door. As a Dad sees his child to Bus the first day at school, we can`t do it for them , it would diminish the joy they find alone and the stories they will have unique to them. As Christ told his disciples on Him bidding them, to follow Him to Heaven. For No one will enter the kingdom of lights apon my bidding, for they will enter after attaining the Mysteries on your own accord. What is the best way to feed People? do not give them food, for they will only wish more, but teach them how to grow it and they will be happy and will feed themselves.


Bob writes:
If we desire this world, then that is exactly what we get; if we truly and unconditionally desire God, then how could our Father refuse us?

I agree 101% Bro...From each of our own perspective the extent of all Our knowledge, love, visions, dreams, walks with God, and all else we have presently within us.. it is that from which we came till now.
Everyone sees and visualizes from that which they know, as I do now. there are many times I will be witting on things staying in his gnosis and have to wait and ask him to intervene in me more knowledge and to choose the correct wording so it will best express in an open view to understand. I learn from Him as He writes all the time. Some that know God in a small way, would not be asking Him in the way a soul that has become one with Him, due to, they have never attained it only, and would.
so Now this clues us into to more of the reason we are here, to help lift others in The sights of God within them. This is where things can become difficult in the mixture, as to not come across as a judge or an overlord <--- ohh thats a cool word [img]http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/smi/2b00002a19/16[/img].. But to maintain the friendship harmless as a Dove.
We see now this is starting to expand from self view, to self + others as one. Gospel of Thomas States:
"when one becomes two, then what will you do" I think in accutually Christ was speaking as when we attain the Father in us.. then what we will do. Meaning there is a role to seek beyond this point, with attaining such power and peace. We would not have the way of Finding God within us if there was nothing to do with it, but wait. well we now know to help raise up others to His light, as far as we see? Maybe a little but more Greater light they can find which maybe beyond ours, for John the Baptist, Baptize Jesus. Also Jesus has said there will be others that will do greater works then I.


sopherim7 write:
in order to set in motion the redemption of the entirety of creation, taking rollcall each one by name and asking them whom they shall serve, until the full number has come to completion those born into flesh to serve GOD or serve perdition

As we have expanded in our lives from Baby, to teenager, learning the world, things of God involving others of the world, then Gnostic beliefs coming moderately off the world but staying in tune with those we love of the world, and there are a few that have learned the Mysteries which to me completes the all.
from your statement above Sopherim you have brushed upon the point of being here: Below is some of the scripture where I will rather You read what Christ has taught which is wondrous in all extent of it. This is from Pistis Sophia, and is parallel in other scriptures also. Just these two paragraphs tell a lot of things; Like the reason we are here, what is Gnosis, Who Christ is, and when and for what reason the completion will be finished. truly awesome text. These are also written in the celestial understanding of the ten virgins Parable of the Bible

Those who procrastinate are excluded from the Light."At that time then the faith will reveal itself still more and the mysteries in those days. And many souls will come by means of the circuits of the changes of the body, and coming back into the world are some of those in this present time who have hearkened unto me, how I taught, who at the completion of the number of the perfect souls will find the mysteries of the Light and receive them and come to the gates of the Light and find that the number of the perfect souls is complete, which is the completion of the First Mystery and the gnosis of the universe. And they will find that I have shut the gates of the Light and that it is impossible that any one should enter in or that any one should go forth from this hour.


Of those who procrastinate, saying they have many births before them.The Saviour answered and said unto his disciples: "Herald unto the whole world and say unto men: Strive thereafter that ye may receive the mysteries of the Light in this time of affliction and enter into the Light-kingdom. Join not one day to another, or one circuit to another, hoping that ye may succeed in receiving the mysteries if ye come into the world in another circuit.

"And these know not when the number of the perfect souls will be at hand; for if the number of the perfect souls shall be at hand, I will now shut the gates of the Light, and no one from this hour onwards will enter in, nor will

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any one hereafter go forth, for the number of the perfect souls is completed and the mystery of the First Mystery is completed, for the sake of which the universe hath arisen,--that is: I am that Mystery.

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The Gnosis is always expanding, and never ceases, Christ tells also at the consummation what will come next as "I will tell you of the expansion of the Universe" This expansion has not occurred yet but is within the Fathers logos and Mind of Christ who is in Us also to manifest that knowledge and to truly be a part of. So now You can gasp the importance of what's to occur in Gods Plan and the point we are at, in it.

There are many more reasons for us being here, in so many differant perspectives like ; Did we ask to come here?, after completion what is our status in the celestrial realm.? I may save these for another time, I think I`m running out of Paper.... LOL

This is information I don`t get to much chance to relate to anyone actually. Thank you most graciously, for sharing Your openness within Love of the Heart my dear friends.

Keep your lamps trimmed and full....as the journey continues

as we all endure and Love together

Bro Thomas

I've had the feeling b4 that I came from the Light, chose to come down here, but put in certain "clues" to assure myself of geting out when I'm ready or done. Like as if "this realm" is a sorta "virtual reality"(good phrase, if ya think about it), for necessary experience. Just musings

or how ever you spell it, i have that very often sometimes a very strong feeling of familiarity .this has happened b4 or I've been here b4 or i knew that was gonna happen. its like little lite posts to let you know your on the right track .whether you believe you chose you path or it was chosen for you