WAS JESUS REALLY A SACRIFICIAL LAMB

Did Jesus really come here with the purpose of saving humanity (those who turned to Him) by means of dying for our sins (i.e. a 'blood sacrifice')? I don't think so!

I understand Jesus' purpose to have been to TEACH and REVEAL the Sacred Mysteries of the Spirit to those who came to Him as sincere SEEKERS of Spiritual Truth. He was murdered by the religionists and atheists who were so afraid of His Light, just as they had murdered so many Prophets of God throughout the ages. This was no atoning sacrifice - just another vile act perpetrated by a hierarchical orthodoxy. It was Saul/Paul, and other heretics, who turned the act into a necessary sacrifice - something they assumed was foreseen! For they could not comprehend Jesus (their 'GOD') being killed unexpectedly, and for no Spiritual reason.


PLU

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"Did Jesus really come here with the purpose of
saving humanity (those who turned to Him) by means of dying for our
sins (i.e. a 'blood sacrifice')? I don't think so!"

Of course not. It's absurd. Jesus, like Buddha and many others - were on the Earth to keep Humanity's link to Heaven intact. By teaching new people to develop their souls.

"Follow me!" People can't understand how literal this is. Follow the example of Jesus, follow his instructions and follow in his footsteps. Become like him! It's common sense.

example: You want to be a good cook and cook a very good meal (=make a conscious soul)
You find a cook. Or he finds you (=Jesus Christ)
He does his best to teach you to cook. (=the teaching and the discipline)
The student may become a cook. And cooks his 5 star meal. (=enlightenment)
Of course Jesus Christ is on a very high level. Maybe no human can ever become as great as him, still he may achieve enlightenment and complete inner freedom.

The Crucifixion.

An important part of a very important and perfect drama. The Christian drama. That has had colossal impact on both the secular world as well as on the hearts of individual people through 2000 years.

But dying "for our sins"? Does that mean that since Jesus died on the cross we don't have to worry about anything? This is sheer stupidity and childishness.

Our sins are our responsibility. And such a teaching like the Christian - teaches us how we can deal with them. It's not Mr. Jesus' business. It's our business.

Yes..... "Christians" today are deeply lacking in Common Sense, and it's usually impossible to have a serious discussion with them on matters of......Christianity.

BB

BelzeBob wrote:Admin

"Did Jesus really come here with the purpose of
saving humanity (those who turned to Him) by means of dying for our
sins (i.e. a 'blood sacrifice')? I don't think so!"

Of course not. It's absurd. Jesus, like Buddha and many others - were on the Earth to keep Humanity's link to Heaven intact. By teaching new people to develop their souls.

"Follow me!" People can't understand how literal this is. Follow the example of Jesus, follow his instructions and follow in his footsteps. Become like him! It's common sense.

example: You want to be a good cook and cook a very good meal (=make a conscious soul)
You find a cook. Or he finds you (=Jesus Christ)
He does his best to teach you to cook. (=the teaching and the discipline)
The student may become a cook. And cooks his 5 star meal. (=enlightenment)
Of course Jesus Christ is on a very high level. Maybe no human can ever become as great as him, still he may achieve enlightenment and complete inner freedom.

The Crucifixion.

An important part of a very important and perfect drama. The Christian drama. That has had colossal impact on both the secular world as well as on the hearts of individual people through 2000 years.

But dying "for our sins"? Does that mean that since Jesus died on the cross we don't have to worry about anything? This is sheer stupidity and childishness.

Our sins are our responsibility. And such a teaching like the Christian - teaches us how we can deal with them. It's not Mr. Jesus' business. It's our business.

Yes..... "Christians" today are deeply lacking in Common Sense, and it's usually impossible to have a serious discussion with them on matters of......Christianity.

BB

I agree 100%. I believe it was Paul who introduced this belief in the sanctity of the 'blood' / death of Jesus, and thus introduced perhaps the greatest error and calamity of Christianity.

PLU

I believe that much stems from prophesies such as "He was pierced for our transgressions" (don't have the exact wording to hand right now).

Did Jesus himself mention any such thing? I'm not sure, but I don't think so. Can anyone point me to any verses?

Truthquest wrote:I believe that much stems from prophesies such as "He was pierced for our transgressions" (don't have the exact wording to hand right now).

Did Jesus himself mention any such thing? I'm not sure, but I don't think so. Can anyone point me to any verses?

Hi TQ

There are many reference in the Hebrew Bible to such things ~ BUT THEY WERE NOT 'PROPHECIES' OF THE FUTURE! The word Prophet means: "someone who interprets Divine will" ~ and prophecy simply means: "that interpretation of Divine will"given by a Prophet. The concept of it being of the "future" is wrong (introduced through ignorance of Truth) - for all genuine Prophets (and God) always speak of the ever present NOW - not the future!

Here is just one example (from many) in which the author was speaking of his own day, and his (or his contemporary Prophet's) own experiences. I have highlighted in blue the parts quoted in the New Testament as 'referring to', or 'coming from' Jesus:

Psalm 22:1-22 "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? (Mark 15:34) Why are you so far from saving me, so far from the words of my groaning? O my God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer, by night, and am not silent. Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One; you are the praise of Israel. In you our fathers put their trust; they trusted and you delivered them. They cried to you and were saved; in you they trusted and were not disappointed. But I am a worm and not a man, scorned by men and despised by the people. All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking their heads (Mat. 27:39): 'He trusts in the LORD; let the LORD rescue him (Mat. 27:43). Let him deliver him, since he delights in him.' Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me trust in you even at my mother’s breast. From birth I was cast upon you; from my mother’s womb you have been my God. Do not be far from me, for trouble is near and there is no one to help. Many bulls surround me; strong bulls of Bashan encircle me. Roaring lions tearing their prey open their mouths wide against me. I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint. My heart has turned to wax; it has melted away within me. My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth; you lay me in the dust of death. Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet (the crucifixion stories). I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me. They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing (Mark 15:24). But you, O LORD, be not far off; O my Strength, come quickly to help me. Deliver my life from the sword, my precious life from the power of the dogs. Rescue me from the mouth of the lions; save me from the horns of the wild oxen. I will declare your name to my brothers; in the congregation I will praise you."

There are many other such passages in the Hebrew Bible which were/are erroneously considered written specifically about Jesus!

PLU

He was a blood sacrifice contrary to your theoligy, but he did not come to "save" humanity. He did come to redeem his people, and as a result the field was bought in the process.

Cha_Chynga wrote:He was a blood sacrifice contrary to your theoligy, but he did not come to "save" humanity. He did come to redeem his people, and as a result the field was bought in the process.

It is only satanists who perform blood sacrifices (no matter what they might call themselves, e.g. "Christian" or whatever)!

PLU ~ Bob

Admin wrote:

Cha_Chynga wrote:He was a blood sacrifice contrary to your theoligy, but he did not come to "save" humanity. He did come to redeem his people, and as a result the field was bought in the process.

It is only satanists who perform blood sacrifices (no matter what they might call themselves, e.g. "Christian" or whatever)!

PLU ~ Bob

Prove the Bible is false!

Cha_Chynga wrote:

Admin wrote:

Cha_Chynga wrote:He was a blood sacrifice contrary to your theoligy, but he did not come to "save" humanity. He did come to redeem his people, and as a result the field was bought in the process.

It is only satanists who perform blood sacrifices (no matter what they might call themselves, e.g. "Christian" or whatever)!

PLU ~ Bob

Prove the Bible is false!

One does not need to prove anything Spiritual to anyone but one's-SELF ~ simply by KNOWING ONE'S-SELF.

PLU ~ Bob