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The following statement was posted by a Christian on another site:

"We aren't Christians because of what WE do. We're Christians because of what God has done for us."

What are your comments on this statement?

PLU ~ Bob

Admin wrote:The following statement was posted by a Christian on another site:

"We aren't Christians because of what WE do. We're Christians because of what God has done for us."

What are your comments on this statement?

PLU ~ Bob

Reply:

A typical response from one who totally misunderstands the crucifiction of Christ.


Htp

One word Pathetic.....................

gray, i would like to know ,,, why do you feel that statement and or person is pathetic?


BOB, and i do agree with your comment. i would like you to post on that .......the crusifiction.....
i am very interested in what you think about that

sopherim

sopherim7 wrote: gray, i would like to know ,,, why do you feel that statement and or person is pathetic?


BOB, and i do agree with your comment. i would like you to post on that .......the crusifiction.....
i am very interested in what you think about that

sopherim

Don't you mean Chukuma? He's the one who mentioned the crucifixion!

But I will give you my opinion, for what it is worth. Apart from the various interpretations which may be given to this incident (the crucifixion), I personally believe that it was not a necessary element for our (or anyone's) understanding of the Way - or any kind of sacrificial benefit to humanity.

Yehoshua was hated by the religious authorities, who considered him to be a threat to their belief system, and might easily have been stoned to death. However, I believe that He was held in high enough esteem by enough people (even within the Sanhedrin) that they chose to hand Him over to the Roman authorities on trumped up charges, rather than be seen to have His blood on their (the Sanhedrin's) hands.

In short, the crucifixion was merely the killing off of yet another great Spiritual Master in the prime of His Mission. Yehoshua definitely came to Earth to reveal the Sacred Mysteries of the Spirit - NOT to be killed as a (pagan) blood sacrifice for humanity's sins!

That is just my opinion.

PLU ~ Bob

gray is who i questioned ,as he stated in one word pathetic,and stopped there and i am curious to know why he chose to say that.... Chuckuma,only posed the question.....and gray commented as he did and it sparked my curiosity

as far as your opion on the cross ..... i am going to have to agree with you...

sopherim

Gray Ghost wrote:One word Pathetic.....................

Hi GG

Please be very clear on exactly who and/or what you are replying to. Was this in responce to the quote in my O.P., or to Chukuma? I understood it to be to the O.P.

Please clearly 'address' all your posts, so that there is no confusion ~ and this goes for everyone. Thanks.

PLU ~ Bob

sopherim7 wrote: gray, i would like to know ,,, why do you feel that statement and or person is pathetic?


BOB, and i do agree with your comment. i would like you to post on that .......the crusifiction.....
i am very interested in what you think about that

sopherim

Reply:


Hey, Soph. I was the one that made a remark about the crucifixion. The person who made the statement that ABS quoted had it in mind. I see this as a misunderstanding of what the crucifiction actually is. It an internal happening, not external. And this internal experience comes about through much work on the individual's part. So, naturally, I disagree with the person who stated its not what " we " do, its what God does. It is what we do that matters. And in respect to what God does, this person draws no distinction between Jesus and God (Jesus = God) or for that matter, a sacrifice that would not bring about redemption as explained by orthodoxy.

Htp

Chukuma wrote:I see this as a misunderstanding of what the crucifiction actually is. It an internal happening, not external. And this internal experience comes about through much work on the individual's part. So, naturally, I disagree with the person who stated its not what " we " do, its what God does. It is what we do that matters. And in respect to what God does, this person draws no distinction between Jesus and God (Jesus = God) or for that matter, a sacrifice that would not bring about redemption as explained by orthodoxy.

Htp

Yes, exactly! The only crucifixion that really matters is our own dying to carnality! - to our persona (mask)!

PLU ~ Bob

yes, yes yes.
i so so agree , things are opening up more and more to me it is so very exciting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


i am still a little confused about where the ..... pathetic originated ..... i will attribute that to being blonde......hahahahah


sopherim

Admin wrote:The following statement was posted by a Christian on another site:

"We aren't Christians because of what WE do. We're Christians because of what God has done for us."

What are your comments on this statement?

PLU ~ Bob

to me this sounds like a very self- depreciating and disconnected statement. It sounds as if they are christians because they feel an obligation to god.

Gray Ghost wrote:One word Pathetic.....................

Sorry. I tend to be full of one liners no harm intended....by pathetic I mean no amount of kindness or goodness is going to get you to the other side/heaven/after life etc....My take on the Christian view of things is kind of harsh so I would not feel obliged to go into it here..

hello gray, i have a question, im sincere in the asking and dont worry i am not going to CONVERT you,or even try to..
but what exactley is your "religion" i use that term looosley. as i am a hater of religion as i believe it to be a weapon in which to kill people with. but what do you believe, what is your faith ,truth,relationship with God

sopherim

sopherim7 wrote:hello gray, i have a question, im sincere in the asking and dont worry i am not going to CONVERT you,or even try to..
but what exactley is your "religion" i use that term looosley. as i am a hater of religion as i believe it to be a weapon in which to kill people with. but what do you believe, what is your faith ,truth,relationship with God

sopherim

Hey I am open to conversion you got a suggestion? Be honest and I do not like doing this. I was born and baptisted a Lutheran...I have floundered around from one belief to another with no real connection to any of them. Yeah I believe in G-d, I do not know what you mean by truth. I really do not know what people expect of me when I post on these forums my views are far right I agree but I do not agree with standard Christian doctrine on a lot if things. If my views offend any one I am sorry for that. I can leave if that is what is wanted? And thats one reason I am in the process of starting my own forum as well........

listen gray ,NO BODY WANTS YOU TO LEAVE , i am very unorthodox by many standards, i feel like i never fit in any where,not even in my own skin sometimes. please do not go!!!! i am just curious about your thoughts, beliefs what you hold as immovable truth in your life, i hope i have not offended you in any way. i guess i did not exactly word my question right , i try to not offend people but i do, so im sorry if i offended you ... that was and is not my intention.
a little about me , i attend a Christian and missionary alliance church, weekley i also attend bible study and prayer meeting
but.............................i am very different then most ortho Christians . i consider my self a prayer warrior, i believe that holy spirit gifts are alive and for today,....... i was born and raised roman catholic in a Italian, english is my fathers second language..

ya know just be your self here,say what you want to say and mean to say this is a place to discuss your relationship with Christ and all that entails, how ever you feel comfortable doing that, i hope i am not making things worse........................

sopherim