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by sopherim7 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:19 am
lets see who is open minded http://www.answeringinfidels.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=42
i am not conceding to this as my opinion , i would like to share A opinion i found interesting
sopherim7
i am not conceding to this as my opinion , i would like to share A opinion i found interesting
sopherim7
Re: open minded.
by sopherim7 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:39 am
here is another for all the beautifull open minded brothers annd sisters of this forum http://www.answeringinfidels.com/answering-infidels/other-topics/the-resurrection-apologetic-a-fitting-response-to-religious-pluralism.html
Re: open minded.
by The_Passerby on Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:01 am
In orthodox Christianity, to “know oneself” is to know one’s limitations and failings as well as one’s gifts and strengths; in other words, it
is to know the truth about oneself rather than to fall for a
self-induced deific delusion.
That's not true. If they knew oneself, then they would know exactly why people and self are the way they are, they would know their individual constitutions, their machines. If they knew their limitations, they would know their machine, their constitution. Their answer to why people sin is the devil and it is just in their nature to sin, but they don't know their nature. So saying they knew oneself, is not truthful, for if they were they would know this nature which causes them to do what they do. And this machine, which they are, is very complicated. If they knew it, if they understood where they were limited, then they could rectify the defective and maximize their endeavor towards achieving the Ideal. They would gain the capacity in the Way to be as Yeshua is fully without excuse. The reason why they can't be like Yeshua was, to be Christ like, as the name denotes, is because they precisely DO NOT know oneself. If they know oneself they would see they are a machine, a automaton completely on auto-pilot and what they think they believe is an illusion which helps to keep them earth-bound and feeding the world.
Know Thy Self means to know your True Self, which is your Authentic Soul of Light and this refers to birth into that level. To become ONE with your Higher Soul Self and the final achievement of such knowing is to Know God, which is to be born into the mind of God, this can only be achieved through knowing thy self. However in order to achieve this you must know thy self in a lesser sense, you must know why you are hindered from doing this, or achieving this naturally. You must come to understand what binds you, to understand the forces that work upon the mind, perceive many things in regards your constitution, so you can achieve the Greater Knowing of Self, through the knowledge of what must be achieved, lived, and etc in order to be born again.
Christians do not know oneself at all and that is not their objective. Their idea of know oneself is self defeating doctrine, that no matter what they do they will never be good enough. That they will always fail no matter how hard they try. And this is not knowing oneself since it is counterproductive, they do not know their limits they only know dogma best from traditions of men, corruptions, and literalistic interpretations. So why try? If your Pagan sacrifice will make you whole, so go out and hang out and live it up in keeping with the corrupted culture of this world. You are saved apart from your works, so anything goes. This is pure corruption and is the complete reversal of The Perfect Way of Life that Yeshua brought.
But Yeshua said, "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees,you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven" (Matt 5:17-20 NKJ).
God gives you the capacity to succeed. All that you need is within you.
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Re: open minded.
by sopherim7 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:08 am
your anger obviousley kept you from reading the whole essay. are you not open minded enough to read the WHOLE thing ?
or does the FACT that it rubs you the wrong way keep you from rationally thinking about what it has to say? or are you afraid you might come to find mabey your CHRISTOLOGY is a little msguded and you need to return again to the milk?
this is to prove a point thqat no one seems in all there highley developed minds thru gnosis seem to not get .and how do you know exactley what anything refers to . thru GNOSIS? the knowledge of self means not only knowing your own being of light but knowing it of it self is finite and is not even comparable to the ALMIGHTY ONE TRUE GOD. let alone implying you know what his ways are 100% by thinking our own finite mind has anything to do with wht we know god. like saying a lump of clay decided it knew it was not a lump but a vessal for perfume ,and the potter decides to make it an ash tray. thinking your a perfume bottle and yelling at the creator does not change the fact that with out HIM all you think tou are does not change the facts in and of ourselfs we are a divine spark,more like a coal who cannot become a flame unless something bigger then you MOVES you to the fire , a coal on it own fissels out and dies
or does the FACT that it rubs you the wrong way keep you from rationally thinking about what it has to say? or are you afraid you might come to find mabey your CHRISTOLOGY is a little msguded and you need to return again to the milk?
this is to prove a point thqat no one seems in all there highley developed minds thru gnosis seem to not get .and how do you know exactley what anything refers to . thru GNOSIS? the knowledge of self means not only knowing your own being of light but knowing it of it self is finite and is not even comparable to the ALMIGHTY ONE TRUE GOD. let alone implying you know what his ways are 100% by thinking our own finite mind has anything to do with wht we know god. like saying a lump of clay decided it knew it was not a lump but a vessal for perfume ,and the potter decides to make it an ash tray. thinking your a perfume bottle and yelling at the creator does not change the fact that with out HIM all you think tou are does not change the facts in and of ourselfs we are a divine spark,more like a coal who cannot become a flame unless something bigger then you MOVES you to the fire , a coal on it own fissels out and dies
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Re: open minded.
by sopherim7 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:29 am
http://www.spotlights.org/Crucifixion2.htm this is pretty interesting too
http://www.answeringinfidels.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=34
again remain open minded to opions ,
http://www.answeringinfidels.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=34
again remain open minded to opions ,
Re: open minded.
by The_Passerby on Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:41 am
sopherim7 wrote:your anger obviousley kept you from reading the whole essay. are you not open minded enough to read the WHOLE thing ?
or does the FACT that it rubs you the wrong way keep you from rationally thinking about what it has to say? or are you afraid you might come to find mabey your CHRISTOLOGY is a little msguded and you need to return again to the milk?
this is to prove a point thqat no one seems in all there highley developed minds thru gnosis seem to not get .
I have no anger whatsoever. I know much about the Theology of the modern Church, my Father became a minister not too long ago.
Heh nah, I don't need the churches doctrine, those who need them, hopefully it is good in their experience.
What you have to understand is the reality that the Church, as it existed in its primitive years, had a 3 fold nature which was directly in relation to our own 3 fold nature of being; Physical, Mental, and Spiritual. The Milk doctrine level is that of the physical level, it is the elementary level. This is what is what the modern church is, the hylic level. Although this is my last post since I feel there is nothing that I can say that can make things any different, perhaps I will post a old reply that I WROTE on another forum about this very issue. It is was a bit of a debate, so it is in that format.
The point is that what is expressed in the church is not the Original Way of Yeshua and it isn't similar in anyway, shape, or form. It resembles mithraism more than anything else.
I will leave you with these quotes from Origen on the manner in which the church was in it's primitive years,
Origen wrote: “Now, in answer to such statements, we say that it is not the same thing to invite those who are sick in soul to be cured, and those who are in health to the knowledge and study of divine things. We, however, keeping both these things in view, at first invite all men to be healed, and exhort those who are sinners to come to the consideration of the doctrines which teach men not to sin, and those who are devoid of understanding to those which beget wisdom, and those who are children to rise in their thoughts to
manhood, and those who are simply unfortunate to good fortune, or -- which ist he more appropriate term to use -- to blessedness. And when those who have been turned towards virtue have made progress, and have shown that they have been purified by the word, and have led as far as they can a better life, then and not before do we invite them to participation in our mysteries. ‘For we speak wisdom among them that are perfect’”.
Paul only taught them Jesus Christ and him crucified. Paul clearly says he did this because they were carnal and he could only give them milk, because of their carnality and understanding. Not meat which is spiritual, but milk what is elementary.
For the record, Yeshua is alive and he is not an allegory. But scriptures are. Yeshua achieved perfection.
Re: open minded.
by The_Passerby on Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:47 am
Actually I will just quote this Origen piece, he was an Early Church Father. This was the system of the primitive Church.
To quote Origen,
"The way, then, as it appears to us, in which we ought to deal with the Scriptures, and extract from them their meaning, is the following, which has been ascertained from the Scriptures themselves. By Solomon in the Proverbs we find some such rule as this enjoined respecting the divine doctrines of Scripture:[4] "And do thou portray them in a threefold manner, in counsel and knowledge, to answer words of truth to them who propose them to thee."[5] The individual ought, then, to portray the ideas of holy Scripture in a threefold manner upon his own soul; in order that the simple man may be edified by the "flesh," as it were, of the Scripture, for so
we name the obvious sense; while he who has ascended a certain way (may be edified) by the "soul," as it were. The perfect man, again, and he who resembles those spoken of by the apostle, when he says, "We speak wisdom among them that are perfect, but not the wisdom of the world, nor of the rulers of this world, who come to nought; but we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom, which God hath ordained before the ages,unto our glory,"[7] (may receive edification) from the spiritual law, which
has a shadow of good things to come. For as man consists of body, and soul, and spirit, so in the same way does Scripture, which has been arranged to be given by God for the salvation of men."
The Church, as you know it, is elementary. But this is good, for those who need it.
To quote Origen,
"The way, then, as it appears to us, in which we ought to deal with the Scriptures, and extract from them their meaning, is the following, which has been ascertained from the Scriptures themselves. By Solomon in the Proverbs we find some such rule as this enjoined respecting the divine doctrines of Scripture:[4] "And do thou portray them in a threefold manner, in counsel and knowledge, to answer words of truth to them who propose them to thee."[5] The individual ought, then, to portray the ideas of holy Scripture in a threefold manner upon his own soul; in order that the simple man may be edified by the "flesh," as it were, of the Scripture, for so
we name the obvious sense; while he who has ascended a certain way (may be edified) by the "soul," as it were. The perfect man, again, and he who resembles those spoken of by the apostle, when he says, "We speak wisdom among them that are perfect, but not the wisdom of the world, nor of the rulers of this world, who come to nought; but we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom, which God hath ordained before the ages,unto our glory,"[7] (may receive edification) from the spiritual law, which
has a shadow of good things to come. For as man consists of body, and soul, and spirit, so in the same way does Scripture, which has been arranged to be given by God for the salvation of men."
The Church, as you know it, is elementary. But this is good, for those who need it.
Re: open minded.
by sopherim7 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:56 pm
i not only read canonical i do read gnostic scriptures and as i have stated numerous times i cannot stand DOGMA. my whole purpose is to show you that argument can go back and forth, it is not my desire, you can think I'm a fool i really don't care. i am not as orthodox as you think i am , but if you want to place me in that category be my guest .you are obviously caught up in your own beliefs , and i am not going to defend my experience any further, nor will i deny yours
the whole point of this web site is to discuss the deep things of GOD,not theology. i would like to also say that i am a gnostic christian ,based on the definition , which does not include anything about the deity ,or allegory of Jesus . it is a esoteric revelatory knowledge of GOD with in bottom line , and to continue to argue with me is truly pointless, and all it shows me is that your desire to be right and prove it, out ways your desire to be Christ like and live in peace with all people
the whole point of this web site is to discuss the deep things of GOD,not theology. i would like to also say that i am a gnostic christian ,based on the definition , which does not include anything about the deity ,or allegory of Jesus . it is a esoteric revelatory knowledge of GOD with in bottom line , and to continue to argue with me is truly pointless, and all it shows me is that your desire to be right and prove it, out ways your desire to be Christ like and live in peace with all people
Re: open minded.
by The_Passerby on Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:24 am
sopherim7, I never called you orthodox at all. I never really said one thing about you in any discussion. The point I was trying to make to you was that you need to understand the system of the church as it existed in its primitive years. Although an aspect of your mind is a Christian, you shifted to this fragment in discussion, now you are back to the Gnostic. But we are all fragmented.
This has nothing to do with my being stuck in my beliefs. Where I am I have been evolved to this position. I was never a "Christian" per se in this life, because I didn't need to be. However there were points when I perceived things more literal but I was lead from within into greater mysteries.
It is good that you read outside of the canonical scriptures, however you missed my point. What I am saying is that "Christianity" as you know it is elementary doctrine. It is the level of believer; milk, hylic for babies in Christ. These it was advantageous to them to work on their foundation and mindset, to work on being freed from physical bondage to their vices -- to become consecrated. So for them being under the yoke of the literal letter and perceiving it as such is vital for growth at their level, they worship a sign that they do not know. What is trying to be accomplished is, that if they begin to live a spiritual lifestyle and mindset they will be bringing about intricate changes in their body-mind, through living the truth as they understand it, they would begin to have a greater capacity for understanding that truth, thus it would increase their capacity to live. They, in short, would be invoking transformation within themselves. Once they begin to show some progression, that is they begin to withdraw from literal letter that kills, this means that they have come to the point where they are rising above the cares of the flesh and are truly becoming poor, in the since of not being of the world. The prior level which is believer, repentance was vital and the rebuilding of oneself was necessary. At this next level of those who begin to have a result of their doing, these are the level of the Initiate; Herbs, physic (mental) and it is given unto them to begin to prove further the scriptures within themselves. That now having graduated from literal are coming into the minor mysteries, the esoteric things. The last level is disciple; Meat and Spiritual Men/women. This level one have proved these things within themselves in regards the Spiritual of their own life. They are able to comprehend much, they truly know and are receiving Gnosis. There is a another level, that being Master, but there is no point of mentioning this at moment.
On this scale of seeker, the church represents the hylic level only. Those who achieve the psychic level while in the church often leave the church behind, but get caught up in another illusion, that being the more New Agey stuff (but this is the progression of Jacobs stairway to heaven). There are many rungs upon the ladder of truth, and to get to the next rung we can't cling to the former and if we do, our development ceases to progress.The Church is good for building a foundation. Many seekers start off as Christians because of this very point, but there comes a point when the church doctrine becomes a liability. It becomes an obstacle for further growth, because its strength becomes its greatest weakness and people become trapped in the systems and doctrines of complacency. The Gnostic level was the Spiritual level, this was the core, much like the Ebionites/Nazirenes were the core.
If you look at any system, it all has a 3 fold nature. Islam does, it has a intermediate level and a Spiritual Level which is perceived through esoteric sufism. The Mystic levels of every system holds the genuine aspect of its purposes. The physical level of them are ALWAYS elementary. The mystic level always perceive the scriptures are esoteric allegories; Sufi's do, the Zohar says so (Jewish Mysticism), and the Gnostics. And it is ALWAYS the mystical level which is the core, things are grown or come about from "within --->without" not in reverse.
So this really isn't a debate. It is not really something that goes both ways. The outer church is necessary and is used by the laws of God for the seekers in outerdarkness. This is the University of Experiences, it's like a school. You can't debate the level of elementary with High school, it doesn't make sense, because they are apart of the same school, just that elementary level is for those who have not expanded or developed to the point where they can move onward. The immaturity of mind and being is why they are there. A elementary student has as much right as a high schooler, however a high schooler is far more advance and mature in mind, capacity, responsibility, and being, then that of a Grade schooler. There is more restrictions on grade schoolers, as they must focus on what is least, and pass the curriculum at the level they are at. To them they are taught in the manner that this level where they are at is the WHOLE TRUTH and they must see it like that in order that it may have its work on them. The lower the level, the more restrictions or laws, the more confined and mechanical it is.
Hopefully this makes sense.
Peace
This has nothing to do with my being stuck in my beliefs. Where I am I have been evolved to this position. I was never a "Christian" per se in this life, because I didn't need to be. However there were points when I perceived things more literal but I was lead from within into greater mysteries.
It is good that you read outside of the canonical scriptures, however you missed my point. What I am saying is that "Christianity" as you know it is elementary doctrine. It is the level of believer; milk, hylic for babies in Christ. These it was advantageous to them to work on their foundation and mindset, to work on being freed from physical bondage to their vices -- to become consecrated. So for them being under the yoke of the literal letter and perceiving it as such is vital for growth at their level, they worship a sign that they do not know. What is trying to be accomplished is, that if they begin to live a spiritual lifestyle and mindset they will be bringing about intricate changes in their body-mind, through living the truth as they understand it, they would begin to have a greater capacity for understanding that truth, thus it would increase their capacity to live. They, in short, would be invoking transformation within themselves. Once they begin to show some progression, that is they begin to withdraw from literal letter that kills, this means that they have come to the point where they are rising above the cares of the flesh and are truly becoming poor, in the since of not being of the world. The prior level which is believer, repentance was vital and the rebuilding of oneself was necessary. At this next level of those who begin to have a result of their doing, these are the level of the Initiate; Herbs, physic (mental) and it is given unto them to begin to prove further the scriptures within themselves. That now having graduated from literal are coming into the minor mysteries, the esoteric things. The last level is disciple; Meat and Spiritual Men/women. This level one have proved these things within themselves in regards the Spiritual of their own life. They are able to comprehend much, they truly know and are receiving Gnosis. There is a another level, that being Master, but there is no point of mentioning this at moment.
On this scale of seeker, the church represents the hylic level only. Those who achieve the psychic level while in the church often leave the church behind, but get caught up in another illusion, that being the more New Agey stuff (but this is the progression of Jacobs stairway to heaven). There are many rungs upon the ladder of truth, and to get to the next rung we can't cling to the former and if we do, our development ceases to progress.The Church is good for building a foundation. Many seekers start off as Christians because of this very point, but there comes a point when the church doctrine becomes a liability. It becomes an obstacle for further growth, because its strength becomes its greatest weakness and people become trapped in the systems and doctrines of complacency. The Gnostic level was the Spiritual level, this was the core, much like the Ebionites/Nazirenes were the core.
If you look at any system, it all has a 3 fold nature. Islam does, it has a intermediate level and a Spiritual Level which is perceived through esoteric sufism. The Mystic levels of every system holds the genuine aspect of its purposes. The physical level of them are ALWAYS elementary. The mystic level always perceive the scriptures are esoteric allegories; Sufi's do, the Zohar says so (Jewish Mysticism), and the Gnostics. And it is ALWAYS the mystical level which is the core, things are grown or come about from "within --->without" not in reverse.
So this really isn't a debate. It is not really something that goes both ways. The outer church is necessary and is used by the laws of God for the seekers in outerdarkness. This is the University of Experiences, it's like a school. You can't debate the level of elementary with High school, it doesn't make sense, because they are apart of the same school, just that elementary level is for those who have not expanded or developed to the point where they can move onward. The immaturity of mind and being is why they are there. A elementary student has as much right as a high schooler, however a high schooler is far more advance and mature in mind, capacity, responsibility, and being, then that of a Grade schooler. There is more restrictions on grade schoolers, as they must focus on what is least, and pass the curriculum at the level they are at. To them they are taught in the manner that this level where they are at is the WHOLE TRUTH and they must see it like that in order that it may have its work on them. The lower the level, the more restrictions or laws, the more confined and mechanical it is.
Hopefully this makes sense.
Peace
A Joyous feeling
by Prism1111 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:46 am
sopherim7 wrote:i miss prisim
Sopherim7 A world of Colors I see from your post in you, and truely made apparent within these multiple aeons we are in.
In Short I am moved deeply with it....Thank you.
In this moment I can remember the question in a Star trek movie were the two Captians of the Enterprises are talking and James says to Juan in a bodily demise... Did we Make a differance. Juan tells him Yes, we truely made a differance.
And He smiles with his last breath. Sopherim thank you for saying my words have made a differance Truely, it is the Highest degree of His Logos within the Gnosis of Christ that is the Living factor that moves His chilfren forward to Him as You also made a diiferance as a Candle apon the table for all to see.
I returned from My trip to South Carolina and Glad to be here again. I also accomplished everything and much more as He promised from my asking. A new Job, House as I vision exactly. As the one consousness grows in numbers these days, I do know for certain that all is well, due to the portion that has played out here, and the enlightment we have seen with our hearts prior to all steps that followed those collective moments. We all, as His children amungst the Mixure in which we live think of our works less then what we actually do within the celestrial world that moves us here. For each gesture of Love is transcended 7X70 for us to choose in the future from our own making through Him.
There was a question before here, on whether or not we can see the future. When we try to dicide upon which card to take on the table, we forget that we delt them all initially, why are we distraughted on an earthly momentary vision the seems not to fit and place that aside. For Christ has said give me Stone the builders Rejected.
M't:21:42: Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
The future is of our own making...
It is Good to be back with Friends, Honestly, I never realy left
... Spiritually.Brother Thomas
M't:10:16: Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
yaey !!!!
by sopherim7 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:49 am
i am so happy your home i really did miss your wisdom and discernment .i appreciate you so very much .there are lots of things to catch up on
every thing is looking brighter now sopherim7
to clarify
by sopherim7 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:27 am
brothers and sisters , i love it here i enjoy it so much! please let me express that i tottally grasp and understand what you have been saying ,especially about church history Ido i do i do . i cannot stress that enough. i have not denyied any truth that has been posted.nor have i gotten angry or emotional.see after about a year i came to find i did not believe as the orthodox would have me to .as i said before about PAUL it was those writings that stirred the waters, in thereis were i began to search for truth outside the cannon.i said GOD show me, teach me and burn me clean from this world and use me. the biggest thing i asked him was why? why the cross and that is when he began to show me why. not because of prconcieved notions. i am a logical person and i was finding the cross illogical that is when he began to show me and teach me why. people are tactile ,the mass of humanity as a whole for the most ,can and never will be able to grasp CHRIST as some are truley blessed and are able to comprehend,there had to be some physicality .that is what he offerd to the jews and to those waiting for messiah. they needed as many still ,do see the literal death to self , this for most could not be grasped until after the CRUSIFICTION not even by his own closest followers. even though GNOSTICISM was here and there iy did not GEL until after the death and ressurection , this was the proof that all were waiting for especially those who were gnostic . the bible is the frame work , church is a class room . it is where many start the rudements of christ conciousness ,were the absence of i and the we is to begin. as i stated i go to church not out of fear but out of obiediance. i am there to feed and plant seed and to reap . i am there for the purpose of god . i can show them things in there own bibles they have never seen or realised before, they trust me . i know gods word .and eventually after some grounding i can point the way to the next level it is there option to seek or let fear hold them back they also know that i dont deny the PERSON the son of god ,not his life his death nor his ressurection . i am not fabricating to coax them on ,i am remaning true to myself and god and every one wins. i have not been inconsistant with my self there or here or in the privacey of my own home when it comes to my belief BASED ON GNOSIS and according to the plan GOD has reveiled to me for my time hear on earth . I AM ON A MISSION , the agenda is GODS i serve hhim not man or his ways.I LIVE MY LIFE FOR THE AUDIANCE OF ONE AND THAT IS HIM WHO SENT ME
love , sopherim7
love , sopherim7
Re: open minded.
by The_Passerby on Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:25 am
My advice for you, is that you come to know oneself. If you want to help others, you must first help yourself. You have a lot of Zeal, Zeal -- Desire is Good, it is an emotion and it can be very powerful, but all things must be moved to completion. You must become the embodiment of your ideal, the change you want to bring in the world, you have to fully bring within yourself.
No one questions Yeshua's existence, it's just that, in my opinion, it's not historically accurate -- scriptures are not about telling history! There is much that can be said, but I digress. Peace and blessings.
No one questions Yeshua's existence, it's just that, in my opinion, it's not historically accurate -- scriptures are not about telling history! There is much that can be said, but I digress. Peace and blessings.
Re: open minded.
by Prism1111 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:53 pm
Open Mind.. yes of course . The Son ask the father to create the mind, in all it openness and expansion of it.
The ineffable Father... always was , always will be regardless of any mans exceptance or rebuke of Him. As Christ has said " the father does not need the Son(s), but the Son(s) need the Father.
So does this constitute oneness in Oneself as mankind. No many have tried and failed miserably, they become Scribes and pharasses of old the ones Christ says to raise above to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. So what is the missing Factor in all this that is the Life force that is needed to achieve the Glory in His creation Here as we.
There has been Great thinkers and Scientist, and Theologians, and People with degrees upon degrees, Presidents and Kings, emperors and on and on , and few Can even have the Heart or the courage to begine to explain the Power of the Love of God in a Babys Smile, or the Joy of Dancing with another. In the Gosple of Thomas they ask Him: What is your proof that the Father is in You, and that You do the works of the father? Christ said Simply " Move and rest" This can be of equal time or Long moves with short rests, or visa versa all depending upon your own point of View in what you need to remain strong in the father within this world of the mixture.
This is what I call the Dance. Everyone dances at their own pace and speed. Some help others who are less fortunate because they choose to and gives them delight, others play music, some sing and some build things. This is the joy of the heart which invokes the Holy Spirit of God and inclusive to the mind to Move toward a more divine relationship of Yourself with the Father. This also allows the ability of Much Emotion to be felt and shown by the soul. Together now with the knowledge of the enlightened Mind compliments the Father within His Logos to fulfill all that is required. This is the fullness that can grow in us now.
Many emotions are connected with each other, such as after Desire comes Guilt if allowed. Now you see why the Christ had to come first before the Holy Spirit assended to the disciples, as to gives Us control of such power within us to use correctly under Gods graces. In Pistis Sophia Christ explained to the Disciples that the powers are ficiled also. For they will do what they do if not checked or rathure under Divine control, that power which is within Us allowed by the Father to be Given.
Good Journey to You all...
Brother Thomas
The ineffable Father... always was , always will be regardless of any mans exceptance or rebuke of Him. As Christ has said " the father does not need the Son(s), but the Son(s) need the Father.
So does this constitute oneness in Oneself as mankind. No many have tried and failed miserably, they become Scribes and pharasses of old the ones Christ says to raise above to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. So what is the missing Factor in all this that is the Life force that is needed to achieve the Glory in His creation Here as we.
There has been Great thinkers and Scientist, and Theologians, and People with degrees upon degrees, Presidents and Kings, emperors and on and on , and few Can even have the Heart or the courage to begine to explain the Power of the Love of God in a Babys Smile, or the Joy of Dancing with another. In the Gosple of Thomas they ask Him: What is your proof that the Father is in You, and that You do the works of the father? Christ said Simply " Move and rest" This can be of equal time or Long moves with short rests, or visa versa all depending upon your own point of View in what you need to remain strong in the father within this world of the mixture.
This is what I call the Dance. Everyone dances at their own pace and speed. Some help others who are less fortunate because they choose to and gives them delight, others play music, some sing and some build things. This is the joy of the heart which invokes the Holy Spirit of God and inclusive to the mind to Move toward a more divine relationship of Yourself with the Father. This also allows the ability of Much Emotion to be felt and shown by the soul. Together now with the knowledge of the enlightened Mind compliments the Father within His Logos to fulfill all that is required. This is the fullness that can grow in us now.
Many emotions are connected with each other, such as after Desire comes Guilt if allowed. Now you see why the Christ had to come first before the Holy Spirit assended to the disciples, as to gives Us control of such power within us to use correctly under Gods graces. In Pistis Sophia Christ explained to the Disciples that the powers are ficiled also. For they will do what they do if not checked or rathure under Divine control, that power which is within Us allowed by the Father to be Given.
Good Journey to You all...
Brother Thomas
M't:10:16: Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
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