c.s. lewis

gnostic warrior wrote: Yes, we are all equal.. but we are definately not the same.

Well put, very well put. I like the 'flesh clothes' thing, too!

7 Pages.. wow this post has got to be some kind of record Bob... LOL

In Speaking too, of the credibility of the Scriptures as being Fact or Story, or stollen or otherwise one can search in many ways as to fulfill there own reasons why they must know this, like for your own knowledge to base it on!, or in something substantial to help others that are not so enlightened to themselves, and that would be a more righteous reason I would think, or for the sake of discussion which I think taking up pottery one may get more life from that in a useable degree.
I do feel Scriptures are valuable, some more some less too me, which may be differant for the next guy or Gal.
They should always be presented to theyself before the Holy Spirit to help one dicern as to what is true and not , in part or in whole.. seeing that everything in this Physical realm is a mixture of wheat and tares.
The key thing here is self of inner most inner which is the attachment to the Christ concousness within the Parents this is were the pool in your own eye is truely divine and no decent comes out of ones mouth only Salavation that has been allowed you to speek of by Your efferts in this, and are truely aware of it, really in shear Joy to be honest.

I have talked to alot of souls that didn`t wish to wander past the Bibles covers, and felt sorry for them for thier own fear limits they placed on themselves, unknowingly of course.
I say to them is your faith and trust in God of the things you know strong enough to read an evil document that has one line of righteous in it , and find it with out a problem through the insight You have attained in your Life.

When one can learn to do this like a child, then all scriptures are to be considered and revealed in the extent of their Truth they present in the written words therein. As Christ has said for nothing will be hidden from you.Also in the end times the children will understand the scriptures perfectly.

There are many other ways also, to tell, like Paralleling Ideas or consepts from multiple scriptures, from multiple writers over a vast number of Years. Ones that agree as in the speeking in one word is as close to the truth as you can get in this motife of dicernment.

Like listening to a politician, don`t do what they say, watch what they do. Actions speak louder than words!
Even Christ has said: if you don`t me believe here than than believe in things I have done. He is also the only one I have ever heard say that.
That is just one earthly reason that I take notice when I see his name come up in Scriptures.. I`m not saying believe 100% at all but is a good starting basis.

Go on to any Catholic web site from Rome, Jesus Christ is not mentioned once... I wittness to the Authority not the People in this, they do not know.... I was one of them ounce.

After learning His mysteries and performing them, truely I tell you, this will not be a question ever again in you. Its easy paul talks of knowing all mysteries but I read everything he supposadly wrote and never mention a one, when there are so many. The Mormons say they have found tablets of the Profit Mormon who was taught by the Disciples, well the Disciples were taught the Mysteries as states in Matthew and others, the Book of mormon doesn`t state nothing of the Mysteries of God.. That only took about and hour to find out.

All in all "You will know them by thier works"

attain Peace to understanding, understanding to wisdom

Br Thomas

"I say to them is your faith and trust in God of the things you know strong enough to read an evil document that has one line of righteous in it , and find it with out a problem through the insight You have attained in your Life. "

Oftentimes there are certain books I don't want to read b/c I fear they will put me in a negative mind set. For example, Philip K. Dick. I've read some quotes by him and find some good inspiration and knowledge in his works, I just don't feel like reading it for fear it may actually be "evil"(by putting me in a negative mind set) I am very wary about wht books I read. They do have an impact on one's thought processes.

theeternaliam wrote:"I say to them is your faith and trust in God of the things you know strong enough to read an evil document that has one line of righteous in it , and find it with out a problem through the insight You have attained in your Life. "

Oftentimes there are certain books I don't want to read b/c I fear they will put me in a negative mind set. For example, Philip K. Dick. I've read some quotes by him and find some good inspiration and knowledge in his works, I just don't feel like reading it for fear it may actually be "evil"(by putting me in a negative mind set) I am very wary about wht books I read. They do have an impact on one's thought processes.

theeternaliam My above Statement as to reading something evil with shining pearl in it, is an extreme example of realy testing oneself for your stable eye through the storm per say. Few do this, but many more should do this to a far lesser degree with Things they themselves are baseing there faith on. My thoughts now are for Love of my Brother Pete involve as a southern baptist, were nothing outside the bible is of God, and in turn everything withiin is. LOL We all no in here mostly they believe this due to 2000 years of Traditional passing down from some forfather they don`t even know, due to there lives are so busy caught up in the veil, of things they kinda look at it like a credit card to heaven. The so called Apostle Paul for one says many righteous things, of course they were plagarized from the Gnostic text during the Council of Nicea in 325. But many were put under hids name by whoever and said things such as this for instance;

1Tm:1:20: Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.



But all the others say this;

Joh:5:22: For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:



This is direct blasphamy to God, Paul seems like hes working for the other Rascal.... hmmm maybe..



1Th:2:18: Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us.

And then:

Lu:10:19: Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.



Paul proves right here hes not of God if he was command by Satan to do anything....



Heres one You ladies might enjoy,, I am being Facetious of course

1Co:11:9: Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.



How many women in the Christian churches that doesn`t even know this is in over 50% of the New testement that they swear by. They don`t even read to that, they say they believe in.



This is through and through the epistles of Paul, in your face type proof... and ones still rebuke me speaking of it.

There bible tells them about this too...

Re:2:2: I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:



There 3 things here that prove that scripture to be True from the wisdom of Holy Spirit that showed me.



It is not that any of us are dumb at all, it is that we let our Counterfeit spirit of illusion , veils, and False truths of fears guide us to things away from the Truth.



That fist statement was an extreme, but there is every variation under that one to be dicerned as well good people. which is all the reason to not assume or turn ones back after an achievement with God, thats usually when it cdomes in.



Consistant God speed to all is absolute

In Love and Unity

Brother Thomas

Yeah, Yeshua never once spoke of blaspheming, or heresy, or even false teachings. He warned that atrocities would be done in His name, and BOY He got that right!!

I wonder why Shaul would be so mysoginistic, then put women in charge of his churches. (Shrug) More of his inconsistancies, I guess. Then there are the gnostic legends of him and Thecla....

Shaul had a real knack for pointing fingers about false teachers, guess it takes one to know one....

I'd like to know in what ways is Paul misogynistic.Is it cos he says something about woman being subject to men? Is there perhaps anything worse he says? HHonestly, I don't think this is that wrong of a statement. Taken Literally, I think it is knida true. I think it a strong sign of devotion for one to be able to negate one's own self for the sake of another. Of course this also goes for men to women, as well. But I also take some of his "misogynistic" quotes figuratively. As in, one's soul is a Wife, God is the Husband. Is there, though, anything more misogynistic than this quote that I don't remember? I remember one about women not talking (too much or out of place?)or something. This also is a good exercise for us all

"Yeah, Yeshua never once spoke of blaspheming, or heresy, or even false teachings."

I don't mean to argue, but doesn't he say something like beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. And that there will be many false prophets in the End Times. Also, He doesn't say it's not a sin to blaspheme the Son or the Father, He just saysthat it is forgivable. Blaspheming against the Holy Spirit, though, is not. Whi is this so? And how does one blaspheme the Holy Spirit?

I feel that there have ben many heresies spoken in the name of Christ. Whether they were good intentioned by the people who expounded them or were meant to be a trap of some sorts, I don't know. Anyway, if the hearts in the right place, He will direct our enegies towards Him. We are all idoloters in some way.

hidi hoo good people,,
I also agree about Jesus never speeking in regards to blasphemers per say. He had many other ways that denoted the understanding, or misunderstanding of the light. That was what he came to shine in men so any other thing would be negative to the logos he came far. This light was escential to astablish the ground work need to lead the all the required souls in Generations to come to the Mysteries were by corecting the deficiency at that time. Thus the phas e he states "for I put a fire in the world and will watch it come to a blaze"
Good and bad in any sence from Men is just a result of haveing the light of God with you or not, that is all. If the Light is not with in a soul or souls, a web of Darkness will start to form like a cancer in a tree and spread unless stoped. The souls that attain to the good of course is the Life force of growing the tree itself.
Jesus used words like Vail, sin, thoughts or deeds adhearing to the world of flesh, Backslideing, unrighteousness, unworthyness.. all these are pertaining to the view within us of the light and its kingdom that belongs to those that seek it.
For a proper understanding of Gnosis, Christ came with a sword (light) which Causes the division of Darkness, the simple characteristic for which it is, now to propagate because the kingdom was not in the world before he came. Thus bringing the Light power, into a world of darkness and all its long Manifestations, was a to burn in the hearts of men for 2000 years untill it Blazes.
Do not be upset when those not knowing do not accept the light that we see and try to bring them, which is the salvation of the world, that they too, we know would rejoice, if they could see the kingdom in all the ways we do.
Even though we also don`t see at times but know how to reattach to the fathers House, Those others we tell simply don`t know that long and winding road per say. For id they saw but a glimps of the Light within them, they truely would start to seek it furthur..This Christ came to show men, and as He says in the the new commandment I bring You;
Joh:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

See in Gods kindom there is no time, only this aeon there is forward or backward, His is Higher or lower to the light ... woow that forms a cross don`t it.. LOL just a thought.

Be strong and Happy People

Brother Thomas

DC... by the way , congradulations on your promotion to 3 stares..... Do you get an extra vacation day now LOL

Tom