Christians vs Gnostics

In touching upon this understanding I would like to start with A Jehova Witness, Not for thier beliefs but for their persaverance in what they percieve as the truth from thier points of veiw. We have all talked about them comming up to our door it seems at all times and they do not let up.
Besides the things they are sayings I think the main reason why people do not care for thier style is that we are getting shown up in our reverance to God in comparisen, thus we feel lesser saved then they, or rather I do not need a reminder that I do not preach the word every day.

I comend them actually, they are acually working the walk that they believe, regardless of its context , can we say the same?

So knowledge is really the difference between enlightenment or ignorance, but remeber work is what fulfills the wholeness anyone needs and is stated in all beliefs
The bible; for christians that stay within it.
Re:20:13: And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

or Gnostics in the Gosple of Thomas; The proof that the Father is in me is to Move and rest
Also if one is truely with the father in all fulness and expansion while in this mixture, at times running would be more intune ehh?

Chistians also believe in Gnostics and do not even know it.
Gospel of luke States: Lu:17:21: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. This also a main Gnostic principle
Again in John: Joh:1:12: But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
So actually with these two Scriptures within the Christian Bible gives all the Basics as to tell everyone to believe the same as Gnostis do.

So from my intuition of things the only differances thier are is one; Christians are not doing the works of their own Bible or reading whats in it.
two; Their earthly lives are more important then the word which should be one and the same if applied.
and three; They are afried to be in charge of thier own salvation...but wish a Divinity outside themselves to do it for them and they can continue in a hour a week ritual of bliss that has been Falsely accepted as the most they can do.

In summary the only diferance is like two children coming home from school with the same asignment. One throws thier books on the desk and plays ball, and the other does it. Will thier final grades be diferant ? I think we all know that answer, as they do in full knowledge or should I say Gnosis being Greek translation.

Make the difference till you see it.....its worth it

Bro Thomas <--- after your homework LOL

Prism1111 wrote:, thus we feel lesser saved then they,

I think that's cos of the energy they extend.

They are afried to be in charge of thier own salvation but wish a Divinity outside themselves to do it for them

I slightly disagree w/ this, for I've seen how I try to save myself, and it always seems to end in suffering for me or another. Neither do I agree, though, that one is "saved" by simply attending a weekly ritual, and continue being worldly. I think INTENT is what's important, and how willing are you to lose your life to save your Life. In my opinion, (beginning of?)salavation "occurs" when one recognizes one's entire desire is for Good God, and surrenders one's illusions and delusions for Truth and Good. This, I believe, is an act of Grace(to give) and Faith(to receive). Why some obtain this grace and others don't, I'm not sure, but I've read that Grace pours down on the Humbled.

I slightly disagree w/ this, for I've seen how I try to save myself, and it always seems to end in suffering for me or another. Neither do I agree, though, that one is "saved" by simply attending a weekly ritual, and continue being worldly. I think INTENT is what's important, and how willing are you to lose your life to save your Life. In my opinion, (beginning of?)salavation "occurs" when one recognizes one's entire desire is for Good God, and surrenders one's illusions and delusions for Truth and Good. This, I believe, is an act of Grace(to give) and Faith(to receive). Why some obtain this grace and others don't, I'm not sure, but I've read that Grace pours down on the Humbled.

Theeter , I agree with your disagreement LOL... when taken in the words of us saving ourself. This we cannot do untill we become one in Him also, then therefore it is God who saves us by our will to accept that Salvation and walk in it.
For the words I used was that we are incharge of our salvation by the willingness of our heart to accept His divine grace alone. If we refuse to accept to know that we are at the switch for the powers to fill us, then will there never be that enlightenment, and our days will be troubled indeed.

Christ said in Thomas gospel; What you have within you, will save you, for that which is not in you, will kill you"

The process that brings each one of us to a higher level from were we are at, not nescessarily Complete fulness all at ounce, that comes with much wisdom and Love and knowledge learned by our soul to follow those repeated steps and actions. For we all know when jumping High to grab on to the highest rung of the ladder its ussualy never sustained, where some fall back down or some chosse a lower rung while there to rest in.
But this process each of us goes through in a multitude of different ways. The fear that has been gathered within the Body prior to that lifting plays a major role for fulfilment of the step to be taken. Also willingness or wanting to achieve it is played out in many degrees and strengths, and alass the shear courage to accept this new knowledge and be one with it when it is revealed to us, so as to remain there for building and growing more full, and preparing ourselves for the next, when that time comes, and we all know there always is a next step for God is infinate.
The point I was trying to make for the view of the salvation of mankind as a whole, is that most traditions of the world has Put God so far from the individual, the vision of salvation could never be initiated by themselves. Ie; there favorite saying the Fear of God. This was placed to start that separation of God from men in the mind. Islam, Hindus, christians Jews etc believe the Spirit of God is within them and connect to that when whorshipping Him in thier synogogs, and temples and churches. Yes their is alot of truth in that too, except their is a wider opening for the Countfeit Spirit also to come forward and Mix the truth abit, when the Father is accknowledged within us. Mostly none of them whould ever say or believe that the Father Himself is in them. When I have come right out with it I will ussually get a look like and they just shack thier heads no, like if it were blasphamy.
Joh:1:12: But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
The last Phrase here is important to remember. It is saying that not only the ones He directly gave the power to, to be Sons of God, but even those that believe on His Name, which would include Us. Thus we haveing the ability through his teachings and our will and acceptance receive Salvation in this world for believing on his name only, which is many thing also indeed.

Between the Minister or the Drunkard each one taking their next step toward God how ever small or great in mans eyes is still the same in Gods.

For the first shall be last, and the last be first.
Divine understanding in only the NOW.

Great Love of Stability in the word.. and peace to all

Brither Thomas

Thanx for the verse Prism, oftentimes I thought perhaps subconsciously, that I was being blasphemous by saying and thinking God is in me, or God is me, or that I am a Son of God. This verse proves to me that I am a Son of God, b/c He is My Father. DUH!

I was wondering though, since it is our choice to choose to accept His Grace, do you think it is really possible to not accept His Grace, and perhaps, those who don't accept are not really existent. Something like this is in the Pistis Sophia, where those who are thrown to the outer darkness, go to non-existence/oblivion. I often feel they never truly existed in the 1st place. Strange.

Theeter I comend you for reading about the outdarkness my Brother truely some heavy stuff huh? There were some nights I couldn`t take any more of that without getting abit stronger for discertiion of it. If You have read that far, then you probably have covered many of the Mysteries Christ explains also right? These are the pearl that is Mentioned all over. These will transcend all when performed in the Father with father and By the father for us,but by our will in Them.
With the question You asked of deneying Graces. One must go back and remember the simplicities the christ taught. He said for anything done against the Father, He can be forgivin you, and anything done against the Son He will also forgive, but that which is done against the Holy Spirit is not forgivin and never will be. For The Holy Spirit will come from ones own asking, of ones own self , so therefor You deny ourself this is the road to samual or self destruction, which is the only thing He is capable to do by Himself. LOL Kinda funny that way ayy? Even at my age I tend not to dwell there to long Bro, theres to much Love to Give out there and recieve.
Theeter You strike me as a very energetic and seeking soul indeed which is commendable. Pistis Sophia is very knowledgable Scripture, few have come to those heights it gives. I have Told many around me in my family that have asked questions also. That Truth is funny, and its a one way street, You can`t undo it once known. Like you finding out its not wrong to say that we all are the sons of God which is the correct understanding when taking to the Masses or a Group. By one depicting He or she is the Son of God to others just from stand point of knowledge known even when tring to be informative and not pervasive still coomes out as a wisp of vanity in the Spirit of others, those getting rebuked. The truth of the WE works better than the Me. LOL

The question ask of the non-existance of souls have realy set me thinking. In asking myself this question I would also ask me do you believe God sent his only son to experiance the crusifixtion if the ones not saved were not going there anyway. Also wouldn`t have any of the scriptures mentioned this to the degree of none effect being there are A and B People. If this was so, and stated, wouldn`t that be diminishing Hope towards the salvation of God for everyone.
After thinking that through theeter, My opinion which is only my opion would say that would be the coarse of fate for the living. I will be asking the Spirit more on this also My friend. as I`m sure with the love of Hope in Us wish to know in the asking.

I have found alot of times, to get ourself ful in the Spirit then pose that question and it is plainer to see some answers.

Very good question indeed Theeter.. brovo

Talk again Bro
Thomas

Well, in scripturer there is mentioned "the chosen race" a bunch, and in gnostic scripture "the immovable race, the inconconquerable race, or the children of Seth, etc." I can't believe that God's creation would not be saved, even if that's what they desire, so in my experience, I feel that some "people" simply don't exist. In philosophy, they are called "philosophical zombies", check that phrase out on wikipedia, if ya get the chance.

May grace be With You Brother

"I think, therefore I am."