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Re: ANOTHER PROBLEM
by Cha_Chynga on Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:46 am
not sotheeternaliam wrote:We have a right to protect ourself from all attacks using force
Bulloney, Christ's Kingdom is not of this world or his disciples would have fought to keep him alive. Isn't that what He said?
Pleas, don't give me any quotes from the Bible that seem to support violence(whether its for defense or not), you don't have to defend yer thought-system to me. I'm not attacking it.
May the Peace of The Holy Spirit Abide in Yer Heart And Soul
I'm starting God Divine Fact that it's NATURAL for HIS people to DEFEND their life from outside forces that would want to take it.
If you are a husband you OWE duty to your wife to fight to the death when an intruder comes in, not simply calling 9-11. In fact you are the scum of the earth if you allow your wife to be violated before your eyes and do nothing to stop it, even if that means to die in the process.
Violance is condoned and sanctioned BY GOD> amen.
Re: ANOTHER PROBLEM
by Iehi Aur on Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:59 pm
It seems there is times where one needs to defend onesself, or others. Most of the time one would not have to shoot a person. Having a gun is fine, yet one who does holds the life of others in there hands.
If a murderous profane animal man that is fueled by his lower natures to the extreme of breaking into houses and attacking people, that is an exception in my view for defense, but , but if man started a war global war, or we went under martial law, lost our resources, power, fuel, food supply, then there would likely be the worst trouble in densely populated area's.
But that is what the FEMA camps are for right?
If that time comes, which is possibly, then so be it. I am a lot more concerned with inner matters, Truth, that is a personal experience, and doing the best one can to ensure the time that is spent living.
We all could die in an accident, be a victim of a crime and many other things. IMO if one wants get some guns and ammo, that is fine, but working on ones own self mastery and knowledge of Self is a bit more important IMO.
If some people trust in things will work out without not having weapons or acting in violence, that is their choice, swami muktananda once said to a guy that was hearing his message of love, when the guy stood up and said, "you talk all that love stuff, but what if I had a gun and shot you dead." Muktananda says, "I would die loving you".
Another view could be if you are a good person, and a ignorant or psycho killer is attempting to cause fatal harm, and you let yourself be killed, then one less good person is alive, and the criminal can continue on to possibly harm another.
If the teachings of any Master were to kill, I must of missed those. Also if Christ was for battle, why would he not of taught some warriors some Mental control, or fled so he could prolong his transitory stay to escape death if he knew, maybe he knew that death was the turn of another page, or some reason. Even when his friend cut the ear, he was told not to battle, right/wrong, by Christ?
I would be more concerned with the quality of life, one would only be the dead that bury the dead anyway if one was not to accomplish certain awakening, or rebirth, right?
Maybe so.
If a murderous profane animal man that is fueled by his lower natures to the extreme of breaking into houses and attacking people, that is an exception in my view for defense, but , but if man started a war global war, or we went under martial law, lost our resources, power, fuel, food supply, then there would likely be the worst trouble in densely populated area's.
But that is what the FEMA camps are for right?
If that time comes, which is possibly, then so be it. I am a lot more concerned with inner matters, Truth, that is a personal experience, and doing the best one can to ensure the time that is spent living.
We all could die in an accident, be a victim of a crime and many other things. IMO if one wants get some guns and ammo, that is fine, but working on ones own self mastery and knowledge of Self is a bit more important IMO.
If some people trust in things will work out without not having weapons or acting in violence, that is their choice, swami muktananda once said to a guy that was hearing his message of love, when the guy stood up and said, "you talk all that love stuff, but what if I had a gun and shot you dead." Muktananda says, "I would die loving you".
Another view could be if you are a good person, and a ignorant or psycho killer is attempting to cause fatal harm, and you let yourself be killed, then one less good person is alive, and the criminal can continue on to possibly harm another.
If the teachings of any Master were to kill, I must of missed those. Also if Christ was for battle, why would he not of taught some warriors some Mental control, or fled so he could prolong his transitory stay to escape death if he knew, maybe he knew that death was the turn of another page, or some reason. Even when his friend cut the ear, he was told not to battle, right/wrong, by Christ?
I would be more concerned with the quality of life, one would only be the dead that bury the dead anyway if one was not to accomplish certain awakening, or rebirth, right?
Maybe so.
There is no religion higher than truth. H.P.B.
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