Re: ANOTHER PROBLEM

by Prism1111 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:10 am

Cha- Quotes
Matthew
24 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

This a very true statement indeed my friend and should be understood with intuition of many other view points that will have on this not to attach them for their misunderstanding but try to enlighten them as to why it was stated, and what actually it means.

As Christ explains in Mathue "in the Bible" all others I give Parables, that they may not understand" But to His Disciples He gave his teachings directly in the Mysteries of all the meanings of those parables. This was truely a Parable.

Now with reading and understanding the Knowledge(Gnosis) of Christ teachings and being able to be enlightened through the Holy Spirit of God in this process. The House He is referring to is the one inside You.

Mathue again; For the Kingdom of God is within you

With keeping yourself full in the Lord, by His word and deeds you will be ready at the consumation as the Ten Virgin Parable states 5 were ready with Lamp oil (word of God) 5 were not and sent away after comming to late. The House that is broken up by the thief, as is the thief that planted the tares in the field at night unaware in another parable in The Bible still, This is the adversary the Devil that cause your House (your soul) to be tempted to return to the world of flesh, thus breaking up the the Kingdom of God within You, and will be like a thief in the night. Without added insight You will not see as the master of your own House, which is You, Not the our mortal dwellings. All the swords in the world will not prevent this, unless it is the double edge sword of Christ in us , which is Love and knowledge. The word Sword is only used in a figurative fashion.

I incourage all I can to seek understanding furture than the bible, for it is acurate and Good in most parts, but just a Primer reader for understanding the Kingdom of God in a celestrial sence of its meaning. Welcome to Gnostic understanding my friends. All the dots connect perfectly with great caution placed upon Paul Truely.

A Good and Loving day to all in His Kingdom sunny

Brother Thomas

by theeternaliam on Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:53 am

Another blesed reminder from Spirit. Thank you prism for manifesting the Spirit. I had never fully grasped that statement, about the thief entering the house, but having heard you relate it to the adversary sowing tares, I can understand it and internalize the wisdom. I'd like to ask, though, do you really think the Adversary has any power to divide/break the Kingdom w/in us? Sure, he may delay it, and have us not acknowledge the Kingdom and be aware of it, but I believe the Kingdom exists wholly, no matter what we perceive. I believe this b/c when the disciples asked when will the Kingdom come, He said, It is already here, you just don't have eyes to see it.

by The_Passerby on Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:07 am

In my opinion, it would be best to know oneself. Because, in all honesty, what Thomas presented is true, however unless you know what the tares are inside of your mind, unless you know what "Satan" is, rather than not a literal being, then there isn't much that can be done for you beyond a very elementary point. Likewise if you do not know of your Authentic Soul Self and the threefold pattern, then one is truly loss.

by The_Passerby on Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:43 am

Prism1111 wrote:Cha- Quotes

Brother Thomas

The Saying about the Thief is a very important reality, but unless you can understand what it means in order to make it applicable in your life, then it means nothing.

And Yeshua said, unless you know the esoteric of the parable of the sower and seed, likewise the esoteric understanding of his explanation, then you won't be able to understand any of the other parables.

“Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?” (Mark 4:13 KJV)

by Prism1111 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:34 pm

theeternaliam wrote:Another blesed reminder from Spirit. Thank you prism for manifesting the Spirit. I had never fully grasped that statement, about the thief entering the house, but having heard you relate it to the adversary sowing tares, I can understand it and internalize the wisdom. I'd like to ask, though, do you really think the Adversary has any power to divide/break the Kingdom w/in us? Sure, he may delay it, and have us not acknowledge the Kingdom and be aware of it, but I believe the Kingdom exists wholly, no matter what we perceive. I believe this b/c when the disciples asked when will the Kingdom come, He said, It is already here, you just don't have eyes to see it.

Theeter Yes you right the kindom is here regardless if the children see or stay within it. Like a buffay set out for all to eat in a crowded room. the ones in the back or sitting down talking, cannot see that the feast is present and are still waiting unaware.
The Kingdom was brought here By Christ to the disciples to spread throughout the world. Christ said after which then and only then You may teach the Mysteries to all who will listen.
M't:13:11: He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Lu:8:10: And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
Those That Know and perform the Mysteries and Hold them dear of the Father and increase to the Multiple of 144,000 upon the Earth then the consumation will be, and the doors will be closed. Read Pistis Sophia were all is explained.
The Theif also is your fears of this world and of even thoughts inside you that You yourself feel are not right with Loving God, in short any time there is fear within you, no matter how small, the Higher You get in Teaching and knowing of the Father, even the small fears become an in for the thief. I know this from personal Spiritual envolment shown by the Spirit to me, and teach me why others are hindered from enlightening to the word when plainly given so as I can more apt remain as a dove in the light and not be moved By world in its rebuke of truth, when telling of Gnosis.

As Christ has said: " The closer you get to me, the closer you will be to the Fire also"

But donot be disheartend in these words truely, for in the Parable of the Mustard seed being all the faith that is needed? I like to say If Evil and all its milleniums of planning was a water ballon, the faith in God in size of the head of a pin could completely Poop it, and make to no effect at all, truly Folks. In working the Mysteries one will feel this to Much glory and Radiance indeed.

May Christ be our teacher to use the tool within Us for Father which is all.

Bro Thomas Basketball

Time to kick back....lol

by sopherim7 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:00 pm

prism, i am so glad you are back!!!!! cheers

by theeternaliam on Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:30 am

I like to say If Evil and all its milleniums of planning was a water ballon, the faith in God in size of the head of a pin could completely Poop it, and make to no effect at all,

I have a book called "Prayers of the Cosmos", it is a direct translation from Aramaic of the Lords Prayer,the beatitudes, and other sayings by Christ. Aramaic is a very mystical,imaginative language. In this book evil is translated as a void that has a bubble around, sorta like a blister. Yer description of evil is very apt. Perhaps the bubble/ballon is filled w/ poison or a void/nothing.

by The_Passerby on Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:27 am

Theeter Yes you right the kindom is here regardless if the children see or stay within it. Like a buffay set out for all to eat in a crowded room. the ones in the back or sitting down talking, cannot see that the feast is present and are still waiting unaware.
The Kingdom was brought here By Christ to the disciples to spread throughout the world. Christ said after which then and only then You may teach the Mysteries to all who will listen.
M't:13:11: He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Lu:8:10: And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
Those That Know and perform the Mysteries and Hold them dear of the Father and increase to the Multiple of 144,000 upon the Earth then the consumation will be, and the doors will be closed. Read Pistis Sophia were all is explained.
The Theif also is your fears of this world and of even thoughts inside you that You yourself feel are not right with Loving God, in short any time there is fear within you, no matter how small, the Higher You get in Teaching and knowing of the Father, even the small fears become an in for the thief. I know this from personal Spiritual envolment shown by the Spirit to me, and teach me why others are hindered from enlightening to the word when plainly given so as I can more apt remain as a dove in the light and not be moved By world in its rebuke of truth, when telling of Gnosis.

As Christ has said: " The closer you get to me, the closer you will be to the Fire also"

But donot be disheartend in these words truely, for in the Parable of the Mustard seed being all the faith that is needed? I like to say If Evil and all its milleniums of planning was a water ballon, the faith in God in size of the head of a pin could completely Poop it, and make to no effect at all, truly Folks. In working the Mysteries one will feel this to Much glory and Radiance indeed.

May Christ be our teacher to use the tool within Us for Father which is all.

Bro Thomas Time to kick back....lol

You do realize the scriptures are esoteric? Be it if it is dubbed "Gnostic" or not by the so-called experts? How is it, that one can know the mysteries without first applying the key to Gnosis/Knowledge, as Yeshua stated?

by Chukuma on Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:41 am

theeternaliam wrote:Another blesed reminder from Spirit. Thank you prism for manifesting the Spirit. I had never fully grasped that statement, about the thief entering the house, but having heard you relate it to the adversary sowing tares, I can understand it and internalize the wisdom. I'd like to ask, though, do you really think the Adversary has any power to divide/break the Kingdom w/in us? Sure, he may delay it, and have us not acknowledge the Kingdom and be aware of it, but I believe the Kingdom exists wholly, no matter what we perceive. I believe this b/c when the disciples asked when will the Kingdom come, He said, It is already here, you just don't have eyes to see it.

Reply:

I believe Matthew 12:43-45 answers your question.

43 “When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none. 44 Then he says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when he comes, he finds it empty, swept, and put in order. 45 Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first. So shall it also be with this wicked generation.”

Htp

by theeternaliam on Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:10 am

What is this supposed to mean? When one has cleansed one's soul of evil, that more evil shall flood it? Why would this be so? Can the Holy Spirit and the counterfeit spirit exist in one simultaneously?

by sopherim7 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:59 am

this verse refers to emptiness of religion ,you are worse then you were before , which leaves you vournable for luciferic attack . i have also thought of it like this , when you have done all you can to rid yourself of the things of the world , if you do not allow Christ in , and let him fill you in every room of your house , your heart mind spirit soul and body then the world can sneak back in and take residence . in trying to keep the world out on your own with out christ it will be impossible. Christs complete filling is what keeps your house clean

by Chukuma on Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:39 am

theeternaliam wrote:What is this supposed to mean? When one has cleansed one's soul of evil, that more evil shall flood it? Why would this be so? Can the Holy Spirit and the counterfeit spirit exist in one simultaneously?

Reply:

It means that when one has cleansed him/herself of evil, he/she must continue to build a strong house. If he or she ceases to do so, then his/her house is unguarded. The power of the HS is sevenfold. Naturally, that which is evil will return sevenfold to an unprotected house. It should be of no surprise that one's condition will be worse off than what it was.

There is no counterfeit spirit. All that exists is authentic spirit. The "counterfeit" is spiritual immaturity viewed through the lens of dualism. Since all is spirit, the goal is to bring about the unity of the lower mind with the higher by bringing the lower under the subjection of the mind of Christ.

Htp

by Prism1111 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:07 pm

sopherim7 wrote:this verse refers to emptiness of religion ,you are worse then you were before , which leaves you vournable for luciferic attack . i have also thought of it like this , when you have done all you can to rid yourself of the things of the world , if you do not allow Christ in , and let him fill you in every room of your house , your heart mind spirit soul and body then the world can sneak back in and take residence . in trying to keep the world out on your own with out christ it will be impossible. Christs complete filling is what keeps your house clean

Very will said indeed Sopherim, your insight is refreshing Very Happy

Passerby writes;
You do realize the scriptures are esoteric? Be it if it is dubbed "Gnostic" or not by the so-called experts? How is it, that one can know the mysteries without first applying the key to Gnosis/Knowledge, as Yeshua stated?

You are correct in understanding of the meaning of the Scriptures,should be esoteric for the ones reading and discerning them in each ones point of veiw if recieve in an enlightened way. The writen scripture itself as it sits without any eye of interest from a soul seeking the inner being is Exoteric being just writen words on a page. The experts you speek of to discern Authenticity of it being worthy of ones own enlightenment is no more than ourselves, having the seed of the Father in us. Anything else would be disrespectfull to our own creation. For if the knowledge of God is spoken by even the meekests of souls the power of it should be moved in all those truely in or seeking the father to recognize the Oneness of His Logos.

I also would be interested in reading were Gnosis is not needed for performing Mysteries, alledgedly quoted by Yeshua. By Difinition and understanding Christ has said I am the Gnosis of the Universe, and No one comes to the Father except through Me (His teaching of that Gnosis(Knowledge)).
Gnosis is the process of talking to the Father in everyway concievable. The Mysteries are his personal gifts He gives to us for performance and abundance of ways while we are in the mixture in the flesh. These are the tools of the Father that we can attaine to achieve that resurected status many speek of while we are here. when atuning oneself to the Mysteries in all thier fulness Christ now becomes our Brother, no longer our teaching, but a brother that has the Height of endurance we may rest in, to not fall from this grace.
My words for many are not understood I know, the choice of choosing to be in the Mysteries is a single event from each ones own Heart with the Father, Christ has said they are not for everyone, as Gnostics are not for everyone when attach to the world of flesh, they would not understand in there hearts.
Please be not dismayed , But as He has said seek till ye have found the answers you seek.... It is truel wonderous indeed.

Thomas

by The_Passerby on Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:38 am

You are correct in understanding of the meaning of the Scriptures,should be esoteric for the ones reading and discerning them in each ones point of veiw if recieve in an enlightened way. The writen scripture itself as it sits without any eye of interest from a soul seeking the inner being is Exoteric being just writen words on a page.

When Touching upon scripture, the approaches to same speaks where the individual is at and the Light of mind that they have to perceive through the faces of the mind, the faculties which characterize the very image of all things. This Light is ones understanding. This understanding in capacity is increased by the mergance of of the lower with the upper, as one begins further to become the truth that they seek and apply in all phases of their life. The gaps of division becomes bridged and the organic slumber of begins to drawback and the individual begins to utilize higher reigns of their mind, coming into the impressions of their Authentic Self.

The only correct interpretation is taking them and applying them to yourself, for they only become alive within you, that is its essential element that is hidden or in secret is unfolded in secret. Why? Because what is essential in you, that can bear thee up is that inner source which has expressed you in this world. Scriptures are manuals towards the manifestation of the inner kingdom; it's all preparation to that very feat. And in order to attain that very feat one must know their own constitution, their own threefold nature and the dimensions that are imbued within them in order to have that capacity to become full at the level they are at, towards the objective of manifesting the inner kingdom of Light.

Unless one is born of a virgin THEY CAN NOT enter the kingdom. Unless one fulfills the Torah within themselves THEY CAN NOT enter the kingdom, which means unless one Knows the Mystery of the Heavenly Kingdoms then it is UTTERLY impossible for them to enter the kingdom; for you must be initiated into the Higher Heavenly Kingdoms of your Being and if you do not have the reflection of pattern upon you, you can not be born into those mysterious Realities of Being.

The experts you speek of to discern Authenticity of it being worthy of ones own enlightenment is no more than ourselves, having the seed of the Father in us.

Most definitely. The exerts, in the manner i was referring, sees scripture in categories and draws conclusions as to him they belong to. But scriptures are all EQUALLY Gnostic and by that I am saying they are metaphoric allusions.

I also would be interested in reading were Gnosis is not needed for performing Mysteries, alledgedly quoted by Yeshua.

More importantly is the Key to Knowledge that he makes reference to. One can't jump to Gnosis without first opening the Door of their closest to receive it. The outer scriptures are a mere pattern, a mere reflection of the excellency and design of the Living Scriptures, which can only be revealed in secret by applying ALL THINGS to yourself.

Yeshua is our Elder Brother and I love him as well, although it must really be understood... unless you KNOW THY SELF it is, without a doubt, impossible for you to KNOW the Mysteries of the Divine Parent, And also the Mysteries of the Indwelling Logos. I know people hate absolutes, but it is UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE. For that to happen would mean that the levels of your Being would have to be removed, or the Will of the pattern of things would come to naught and all things would be completely destroyed. You must have the seal of Christ upon your mind, and you must become an embodiment of it. Those who have put on the Anointed mind, will have come to know thy self, in such a one there is no death (speaking esoterically) and they have the capacity to know the mind of God. One must know their place within their own Inner Cosmogony of Being. Most people dwell in outerdarkness of consciousness, in the exterior of being, and purpose unknowingly that a cat can skip past a human and the other kingdoms and know God. All things are hanging, it is like climbing a rope, when you reach the top of the rope you are climbing is a level. Upon that level is another rope to climb, and this pattern is repeated.

In reality this is why I like symbols more then scripture. If one could understand the symbol triangle TRULY they would know the pattern of ALL things and the forces which cause division. And no one can take a triangle out of context, it is what it is.

by Prism1111 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:38 am

Passerby, The depth in which You now have discussed that which we formerly was not totaly or more rather similar within Our points of view are clear indeed, and rejoice with you in that understanding my friend and agree.
The view of the Mysteries although is the tricky one to give a verbal witness to, in discussion of. There are many and are of completely diferant in Nature, Performance, and outcome even from the My own performance of just but a few with the ineffable Father as one.
For trying to explain abit. The ineffable Mysteries or the First which also has many in subcatergories under each, the Father Himself is the first, were all Mysteries are within. This is the Grand understanding and Highly important before any other mysteries are understood and performed, they are His and of Him, just as Gnosis is Christ(kistos etc) but of the Father. Although Gnosis is a bit more Lieniant in its performance and carrying out within the individual undstanding because it is there for understanding and learning within the context of our own trial and error. In performing the Mysteries, one knows exactly what is required of oneself to fulfill that what you seek without question, and its is true in what you say about taking on the Christ Mind to achieve them, There can be no error in these as You perform them, due to its clear in what you must do from a free choice perspective with the father, any question in your mind brings about non aquistion of that Mystery and You understand what you lack if one wishes to try again by that Mystery.
A futhure ex; is the our ability to creat peace within ourselves or a group with no limits, even the intire globe if you wish and have the strength to. This is the power of the Holy Spirit, which we all have felt the most. No living thing can stand without it. This is also the 24th mystery of the First in the form of a Dove. Then there is a Mystery just for raising the dead, which is also for healing, as in giving sight and other things. Now the one of the most intertwined Mysteries is the Mystery of Baptism which is covered by Most of the Higher Mysteries like the Mystery of the forgiveness of sins which is almost the same thing. Like as Christ has said in the flesh. Be it I say your sins are forgiven you, or get up and walk. if it is from your heart the earthly words matter not, for it is from the Father in complete silence.
As You already understand these are not possible without the Christ mind being takin on to know thyself fully, and is the result brought about from the Gnosis we gloriously live in. This explains a little better the step by step road we are on, and after performing a Mystery if one chooses with the Father One will see there is another expansion beyond this aeon without no end.

In one caution here, one should be very full in thyself prior to attaining the Mysteries as to leave no foot hold for thieves on their completion, believe me they will try. These are the pearl the Parents wish us to find surrounded by the Serpent who is guiding against them. Haveing no fear is virtually a must.

In reading the Scriptures explaining these, Pistis Sophia is the Greatest knowledge we have of them, and the first step before understanding them esotericcaly and Performance in them.

Good Journey and strength to all who venture.

Brother Thomas Basketball

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